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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr6357
"This bill has 0% chance of being passed"
What a great country
"This bill has 0% chance of being passed"
What a great country
Poor Kuchinich. This is one of those supposedly whacky ideas (so says the corporate media) of his that actually make sense in the real world.
Hopefully DK runs indy soon. He is too honest for the Dems.
Little dude may not be much, and looks like a gnome, but he gives a crap, something that cannot be said for many up there in DC beyond their own best interests.
I dunno whats up with the Shirley McClain eastern hippie new age thing though.
Oh well, at least hes not a fundie I guess.
Yep, he's the only democrat in congress that I can tolerate. Sanders is cool too but he is not a democrat. Like dr. Paul, he never had a chance in his party because he wasnt a moderate pussy like everyone else in congress is.Poor Kuchinich. This is one of those supposedly whacky ideas (so says the corporate media) of his that actually make sense in the real world.
Hopefully DK runs indy soon. He is too honest for the Dems.
Little dude may not be much, and looks like a gnome, but he gives a crap, something that cannot be said for many up there in DC beyond their own best interests.
I dunno whats up with the Shirley McClain eastern hippie new age thing though.
Oh well, at least hes not a fundie I guess.
Poor Kuchinich. This is one of those supposedly whacky ideas (so says the corporate media) of his that actually make sense in the real world.
you're going by the lincolnite definition of treason.No, it doesn't make sense. What you're saying is that US citizens who join terrorist groups ought to be able to wage war against the US with impunity if we're not capable of arresting them. To hell with that.
It's war, dude. No due process rights in war, only the accepted rules of warfare. Personally I would of course be against such assassinations of Americans or foreigners within American jurisdiction or that of our allies. But if Americans choose to go to hostile countries and work on behalf of those with whom we are at war, then I agree with Obama - they become legitimate military targets who should derive no protection from being citizens of the country they reject. I'm actually much more comfortable with targeting Americans doing this than with targeting foreigners.In the land of the free we now need bills to protect us from the executive branch. We should all be proud.
It's war, dude. No due process rights in war, only the accepted rules of warfare. Personally I would of course be against such assassinations of Americans or foreigners within American jurisdiction or that of our allies. But if Americans choose to go to hostile countries and work on behalf of those with whom we are at war, then I agree with Obama - they become legitimate military targets who should derive no protection from being citizens of the country they reject. I'm actually much more comfortable with targeting Americans doing this than with targeting foreigners.
It's war, dude. No due process rights in war, only the accepted rules of warfare. Personally I would of course be against such assassinations of Americans or foreigners within American jurisdiction or that of our allies. But if Americans choose to go to hostile countries and work on behalf of those with whom we are at war, then I agree with Obama - they become legitimate military targets who should derive no protection from being citizens of the country they reject. I'm actually much more comfortable with targeting Americans doing this than with targeting foreigners.
Actually they are getting some form of due process, not just the same kind of protections that someone facing a criminal trial in the US would get. Would I want Americans being killed with that kind of due process on a regular basis? Absolutely not, but when you go hang out with terrorists in foreign countries and wage war against the US you've kind of waived your right to trial by jury.
you're going by the lincolnite definition of treason.
That said, killing u.s. citizens without trial is actually what's waging war against these States united... so that means Obama and Congress are waging war against these States united.
On a side note... I've never understood why the Republicans say how much they hate Obama, then they give him all of these extra powers that govt by the civil power is no supposed to have. They really love Obama since they're just like him.
LOL. His gun-buyback plan even puts him as on outsider for the (D)s. That loon is going nowhere.
Agreed. I would not want generals making these determinations for non-combatants, but at the highest level, I don't think we can fight a war by giving the enemy's leadership and training echelon a pass and still somehow expect to win.Actually they are getting some form of due process, not just the same kind of protections that someone facing a criminal trial in the US would get. Would I want Americans being killed with that kind of due process on a regular basis? Absolutely not, but when you go hang out with terrorists in foreign countries and wage war against the US you've kind of waived your right to trial by jury.
Certainly these people deserve to be put on trial if they are caught and in our custody. But when they are at large, they should run the same risks as any other member of the enemy's leadership and training echelon.Just make sure you dont become a target of your govt. What a sad way to look at what our govt is doing. It is just war as a justification for tossing out a right to trial. Fuck, even Bin Laden was given the process of being indicted by a grand jury for his crimes.
Btw there certainly are due process rights in war, even if you are fighting for the enemy. Unless you are in the heat of battle. Historically you were put on trial for your crimes. Not anymore. Say something the executive deems a threat to the state and now a predator is looking to terminate you.
I have no problem killing enemy US Citizens on the battlefield - but even I got a bit queezy when he was killed nowhere close to one...and never was on one.