Kucinich flips to a yes on Healthcare

[sportage]

I think Dennis Kucinich just wanted, for one, to display his anger that the public option is not there (so far..this round). Second, likes the media attention because after all he does run for president each and every time despite his chances. And third, knew all along he'd vote yes in the end. There are a lot of drama queens in play with this bill. A short little guy that likes attention, a anti choice guy that found his opportunity to further his personal agenda, a few "cash out" guys that don't really know just what they want or why, and a guy with a really dark tan that has no idea what he is saying.

Pelosi is one smart lady and not to worry about the house falling in step. The senate democrats will also come around, if they have not already. I actually believe both branches have more than enough votes needed right now. What the waiting is about has to so with giving republicans a last long hard chance to re assess what side of history that want to side with.

And yes, this bill addresses 1/6th of our economy, a part of the economy that has gone totally out of control. Insurance companies are endangering the US economy, national security, and the core of our democracy. People really need to understand that.

If someone is blackmailing you, demanding more and more, just how long do you wait until you take charge to stop it? Democrats are trying to take charge and stop it. Republicans are making a huge mistake by trying to ignoring the problem. But... that is their history. They will be held accountable. As the final vote nears closer and closer, no doubt there are republicans rethinking this very hard.

 

[nageov3t]

it seems pretty obvious that scoring political points trumps any actual reform of the health care system on both sides of the aisle.

 

[bfdd]

MAYBE he's looking at the bigger picture.
MAYBE he's looking at the 30 million people who will finally have healthcare, and will finally be paying something into the system.
MAYBE he's looking at the hundreds of thousands of people who will no longer be denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions.

Doing something is better than doing nothing, as Repubs want to do. And spare me your "socialism" and "government takeover of health care" talk. The government run option has been stripped from the Senate bill.

Huh? We already have socialized health care. Those 30 million people can already get all the medical attention they need AND they don't have to pay for it. Sweet huh?

 

[JS80]

Bring it on. It will get killed in the Supreme Court when the states sue. It will be great precedent and cause to kill the rest of the federal scam programs. If the SC fails, then it's time water the tree of liberty.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

but the insurance guy...HE knows health care. HE knows.

You mean the insurance guy who works on your health insurance company's death panel who just rescinded your health insurance on the day of your cancer surgery because you failed to disclose that you had acne in the 7th grade?

 

[Munky]

You mean the insurance guy who works on your health insurance company's death panel who just rescinded your health insurance on the day of your cancer surgery because you failed to disclose that you had acne in the 7th grade?

That's fine... with Obama's plan, he'll just be obligated to offer you coverage for twice the price.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Huh? We already have socialized health care. Those 30 million people can already get all the medical attention they need AND they don't have to pay for it. Sweet huh?

This is false. If you work and are earning money you first need to go bankrupt before it is all free. This is liable to affect lower middle class Americans who earn just enough to save a little bit of money. Yes, it's free--after you lose almost everything you have. Ever heard of a thing called "medical bankruptcy"? According to a CBS News report it is a factor in 62% of all personal bankruptcies in this country. In fact many people who file for medical bankruptcy even have insurance!

And among those who filed for bankruptcy, 75 percent reported having some type of medical insurance. But The Washington Post says people in bankruptcy with insurance were nearly $18,000 in the red. And those without insurance had an average of almost $27,000 in medical debt

 

[WhipperSnapper]

That's fine... with Obama's plan, he'll just be obligated to offer you coverage for twice the price.

I'm not in favor of Obama's plan. I'm in favor of real socialized medicine.

 

[JSt0rm]

If the SC fails, then it's time water the tree of liberty.

Really dude? Your going to go into some little mini war over uhc? With whom will you fight?

 

[Ronstang]

Only liberals could get excited about planned failure, and if you think this bill is anything but planned failure then there really isn't any use in talking to you anyway.

 

[Bitek]

When you see a poll, keep in mind that they usually poll the general population. I'd bet that if you poll the "likely to vote" population (which tends to be older and less likely to agree to socialism), the opposition to this bill is huge. November will be hammer time.

No it won't. Republicans will be left arguing for re-instating recision & pre-existing conditions, more medical bankruptcies and more people losing HC coverage, as well as increasing the budget deficit.

Good luck on that. If that was a winning issue they would be arguing along those lines. Instead all they argue about is procedure and absurdities of death panels and communism.


Once the vote passes, its game over. Reps will lose. Once people realize they will no longer have to live in fear of losing HC coverage just for getting sick, they will not quietly go back. Republicans will be on the wrong side of history again.

 

[umbrella39]

No it won't. Republicans will be left arguing for re-instating recision & pre-existing conditions, more medical bankruptcies and more people losing HC coverage, as well as increasing the budget deficit.

Good luck on that. If that was a winning issue they would be arguing along those lines. Instead all they argue about is procedure and absurdities of death panels and communism.


Once the vote passes, its game over. Reps will lose. Once people realize they will no longer have to live in fear of losing HC coverage just for getting sick, they will not quietly go back. Republicans will be on the wrong side of history again.

I agree with this. Once the masses see the sky didn't fall like the GOP told them it would they will be back on the sidelines where the people voted them.

 

[Bitek]

I agree with this. Once the masses see the sky didn't fall like the GOP told them it would they will be back on the sidelines where the people voted them.

Yup, but I'm a bit more pessimistic on the second part.

I know it won't be another 2008, and losing seats is trending with history. On top of that, we've had the Senate Dems frak this whole thing up and make it ugly. There will be a price to pay for their selfishness, but it won't be the apocalypse the teabaggers and chicken littles want it to be.


I think the more important issue will be govt spending and the economy. I'm optimistic about the economy improving, but the Dems will need to really work on jobs and starting to show they have some sort of exit strategy on the trillion $ deficits. HC will be a minor issue in 2010.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Really dude? Your going to go into some little mini war over uhc? With whom will you fight?

He's going to take over a small island made of floating gargage and call it the republic of JS80

 

[rudder]

wonder what he is getting out of it. He does not like the bill and does not think its right. but after talking to Obama and pelosi he changed his mind?

yeah not fishy at all..

What are you talking about? obama is not like that. I know he just visited kucinich's district in Air Force with Dennis riding shotgun. But I do not think anything went on during that flight.

 

[Genx87]

No it won't. Republicans will be left arguing for re-instating recision & pre-existing conditions, more medical bankruptcies and more people losing HC coverage, as well as increasing the budget deficit.

Good luck on that. If that was a winning issue they would be arguing along those lines. Instead all they argue about is procedure and absurdities of death panels and communism.


Once the vote passes, its game over. Reps will lose. Once people realize they will no longer have to live in fear of losing HC coverage just for getting sick, they will not quietly go back. Republicans will be on the wrong side of history again.

Yeah and NCLB and Medicare part D was supposed to cement a Republican majority for years. Things change. When people start paying a tax on medical care that wont be useable for 5 years. Things can change very fast.

 

[Craig234]

Only liberals could get excited about planned failure, and if you think this bill is anything but planned failure then there really isn't any use in talking to you anyway.

Wrong, but it's nice to see you endorse the great plan of the status quo. Great plan.

 

[ericlp]

wonder what he is getting out of it. He does not like the bill and does not think its right. but after talking to Obama and pelosi he changed his mind?

yeah not fishy at all..

I slipped him a fiver...

 

[Craig234]

What are you talking about? obama is not like that. I know he just visited kucinich's district in Air Force with Dennis riding shotgun. But I do not think anything went on during that flight.

There's not much doubt what went on - Obama making the case to Kucinich why 'something is better than nothing' - the harm of not passing the bill.

Kucinich has never been a Nelson to change his vote on giving his district money, and if that were done, it'd be public information in the bill as a change.

Kucinich had the same issues many have had of the progressives who want more from the bill, like Howard Dean who opposed the Senate Bill but endorses the current bill.