Anyone had a chance to compare the performance between the KT7A raid Highpoint controller & a Promise FastTrack 100 PCI Raid card?
KT7A raid Highpoint controller vs. a Promise FastTrack 100 PCI Raid card
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by reputation and brand name, Promise would be better,
but adding an addition PCI RAID card to the KT7A is quite not worth it.
actually, ask Ahfung for his opinion...
(joke, he hate hi pt)
but adding an addition PCI RAID card to the KT7A is quite not worth it.
actually, ask Ahfung for his opinion...
(joke, he hate hi pt)<< actually, ask Ahfung for his opinion... (joke, he hate hi pt) >>
not without reason, the HiPoint controller is unreliable, and it has problems with other HW, as well as some kinds of HDD's..
Between the two of them there is NO competition, the Promise wins hands down... So why and how can i state this? The answer is quite simle, i have tried out too many of them not to know...
However for IDE RAID i would not recommend either, go with Adaptec, the higher price is there for a reason, this is a "true" HW RAID controller (as true as you can get with IDE, the interface itself requires SW and CPU interference).
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Yeah, but the Adaptec card is over $350.... OUCH. I can afford one, but do I really want one; keeps coming to my mind.
It may be software RAID I am using, but it beats NO RAID. Especially for the price. In my case a few resistors.
I can live with the data loss if my array fails. A ghosted backup covers that.
The hardware RAID card by adaptec sounds to be better at minimizing errors and maintaining data integrity. If that is a primary concern then I would expect the user to be a non-gamer/enthusiast that would be using SCSI anyway.
It may be software RAID I am using, but it beats NO RAID. Especially for the price. In my case a few resistors.
I can live with the data loss if my array fails. A ghosted backup covers that.
The hardware RAID card by adaptec sounds to be better at minimizing errors and maintaining data integrity. If that is a primary concern then I would expect the user to be a non-gamer/enthusiast that would be using SCSI anyway.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/storage/ata100raid-roundup.html
enjoy the long read.
xbitlabs also has the AMI RAID card reviewed too.
enjoy the long read.
xbitlabs also has the AMI RAID card reviewed too.
<< It may be software RAID I am using, but it beats NO RAID >>
So what does the SW RAID do for you?? except eating up your CPU power i mean...
Do your programs start in half the time, does a few seconds matter when you risk loosing all your data because of a minor error??
SW RAID 0 beats nothing at all, it eats CPU power and lowers reliability and data integrety...
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
A software implementation of RAID 0 beats nothing, it eats CPU resources like mad and lowers reliability. If you want RAID then do yourself a favor and buy a RAID card. otherwise your better of not using it at all.
I'm with PCResources and Rand, Software RAID is pretty weak....doesn't help seek time, just transfer rate which isn't terribly important for what most people use their PCs for anyways...and it wastes CPU time.
If you are running a file server or doing 3D editing IDE RAID0 would be better than a single IDE drive...but that's about the only time. But guess what...if you are using a machine for that kind of thing, you should have SCSI
However, to answer John's quesiton, I would take the Promise, the HighPoint controllers are famous for being unstable and poor performing. HighPoint is way uncool....Promise is very solid, both in performance and reliability.
If you are running a file server or doing 3D editing IDE RAID0 would be better than a single IDE drive...but that's about the only time. But guess what...if you are using a machine for that kind of thing, you should have SCSI
However, to answer John's quesiton, I would take the Promise, the HighPoint controllers are famous for being unstable and poor performing. HighPoint is way uncool....Promise is very solid, both in performance and reliability.
<< If you are running a file server or doing 3D editing IDE RAID0 would be better than a single IDE drive...but that's about the only time. But guess what...if you are using a machine for that kind of thing, you should have SCSI >>
I agree, except for one thing, with a file server you wouldn't want RAID 0 either, you would want RAID 5.
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Once again, I go against the grain...
I would agree that most people prefer Promise controllers, but alot of people have no trouble at all with the newer Highpoint 370 controllers. The Highpoint Ultra 66 controllers were notoriously buggy and problematic, but their has been very few problems with the Ultra 100 ones. I actually have both a Promise Ultra 100 card, and an integrated Highpoint 370 chip and they even share the same IRQ with no problems. I have tested both and the difference in performance is minimal with a slight edge going to the Highpoint...very slight edge. Another complaint that people make about the Highpoint controllers is lack of driver support, but they have released several drivers since the chip came out and all have been an improvement. I set up two 75GXP's in RAID 0 over 9 months ago and I installed Win2K right to my RAID array with no problems at all. I have not had a single problem with my drives as long as I have been using that controller. They have three drivers released for just Win2K alone. Anyway, I will catch alot of heat for this, but the newer highpoint chips work very well in my experience.
I would agree that most people prefer Promise controllers, but alot of people have no trouble at all with the newer Highpoint 370 controllers. The Highpoint Ultra 66 controllers were notoriously buggy and problematic, but their has been very few problems with the Ultra 100 ones. I actually have both a Promise Ultra 100 card, and an integrated Highpoint 370 chip and they even share the same IRQ with no problems. I have tested both and the difference in performance is minimal with a slight edge going to the Highpoint...very slight edge. Another complaint that people make about the Highpoint controllers is lack of driver support, but they have released several drivers since the chip came out and all have been an improvement. I set up two 75GXP's in RAID 0 over 9 months ago and I installed Win2K right to my RAID array with no problems at all. I have not had a single problem with my drives as long as I have been using that controller. They have three drivers released for just Win2K alone. Anyway, I will catch alot of heat for this, but the newer highpoint chips work very well in my experience.
<< but their has been very few problems with the Ultra 100 ones >>
This is not an attack directed at you Insane3D, but the question is, are you qualified to make a statement like that?
How many HiPoint 100 controllers have you tried out? I have had more than 200 ones to try out now (the same tests as mentioned in the previous tests) and i can say that there are many problems with them... If you use RAID 0 you do NOT want to have ANY problems with your controller, the HiPoint 100 controller is not very reliable, with a failure rate that would loos ALL of your stored data being above 2%.
The Promise line of controllers are better tested, i know this, so very few Promise controllers have problems like this.
And as usual, if there were to come new revisions or if QC would be improved i will change my mind...
Patrick Palm
Am speaking for PC Resources
Patrick,
I may not be as qualified as you, but I did say in my experience. Also, in these forums I have seen very few problems with the Highpoint controllers of the ATA100 variety. I do however remember some pretty serious problems with the Promise controller on the first Asus A7V's. I think it was something about a boot delay. I know this has been fixed with some bios updates, I believe, but it goes to show that even Promise has problems. I know that you do alot of testing on these things, but I have had experience with both controllers in day to day use, so I think I am qualified to at least make a statement based on my experience. It seems to me that Highpoint has got this reputation from their Ultra66 controllers, and so everyone just assumes that the problems carry over with the new controllers. I think that anyone that is running RAID 0 should have some sort of backup solution in place and not depend on the controller or the drive because even a Promise card or a reputable hard drive has a chance, however slight it may be, of failing. I have set up 5 friends systems that are using the Highpoint controller on their KT7-RAID's, and they have had no trouble as well. While I understand this is not a large sampling, it at least gives me experience with the controller that I can base my opinion on. After all, the whole world can tell me something is crap or a bad product, but if it works for me everytime I use it, then I am inclined to rely on my experience with them. Like I said before, I know I am going against the grain here. Just my .02.
I may not be as qualified as you, but I did say in my experience. Also, in these forums I have seen very few problems with the Highpoint controllers of the ATA100 variety. I do however remember some pretty serious problems with the Promise controller on the first Asus A7V's. I think it was something about a boot delay. I know this has been fixed with some bios updates, I believe, but it goes to show that even Promise has problems. I know that you do alot of testing on these things, but I have had experience with both controllers in day to day use, so I think I am qualified to at least make a statement based on my experience. It seems to me that Highpoint has got this reputation from their Ultra66 controllers, and so everyone just assumes that the problems carry over with the new controllers. I think that anyone that is running RAID 0 should have some sort of backup solution in place and not depend on the controller or the drive because even a Promise card or a reputable hard drive has a chance, however slight it may be, of failing. I have set up 5 friends systems that are using the Highpoint controller on their KT7-RAID's, and they have had no trouble as well. While I understand this is not a large sampling, it at least gives me experience with the controller that I can base my opinion on. After all, the whole world can tell me something is crap or a bad product, but if it works for me everytime I use it, then I am inclined to rely on my experience with them. Like I said before, I know I am going against the grain here. Just my .02.
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<< . I do however remember some pretty serious problems with the Promise controller on the first Asus A7V's >>
Simple driver bug, it wasnt there in Build 25, but it was in 32... and its not in 33.
Not a big deal, one bug got through on a driver, but was fixed ASAP with Build 33. The only drivers ever put on the Asus site where Build 25 and 33... so the only people who had a problem where people who didnt use offical release drivers.
I have noticed a lot of good feedback at storagereview.com concerning the "3Ware" IDE raid cards.
Supposed to be "Hardware" and have better drivers than both the Highpoint and Promise cards.
They start at $155 i think.
rockhard =)
Supposed to be "Hardware" and have better drivers than both the Highpoint and Promise cards.
They start at $155 i think.
rockhard =)
Heh...John...you must resist the temptation of KT7A.....lol
MSI...HOW MUCH LONGER MUST WE WAIT?!?!
-Jimbo
MSI...HOW MUCH LONGER MUST WE WAIT?!?!
-Jimbo
Rockhard thanks for the 3ware info. I found the Escalade 6200 for $129. That would work fine for me (only 2 channels; $209 for the 4 channel). If I have any issues with my arrangement then I may opt for that one. What I have going now seems to be doing just fine though.
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