kt333...buy now or wait for kt400????

BowlingNut

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with the new xp's ready to be released......am i gonna feel like an idiot for buying a 1600 now (well, early/mid september)? also...should i wait for the KT400 boards to hit the market and pick up a kt333 board, or do i even need the new features?
also, i'm looking at buying the KSI Kt3 Ultra (i dont think i'll need raid - i cant afford the ARU version) for my new proc.....any reviews about it on here? also, how can i tell if i'm getting the Ultra2 or the orig? i know some vendors arent really reliable about that.
lastly, i wanna get some pc2700 mem so i can do some mild overclocking (nothing really extreme, i need it to be stable more than i need it to be fast, but a lil "free" speed never hurts :) ) what brand(s) should i look at. is crucial better than kingston for overclocking? what about mushkin, micron, or corsair? agh! too many choices!
 

GetInMyFatBelly

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Well, with the XP2800+ supposed to be 333MHz FSB, I would find out if the KT400 supports that, if so, wait for the KT400 boards incase you want to upgrade in the future. Anyone know for sure? I'm waiting for the MSI KT4 Ultra board, myself. As for DDR RAM, I always here one name on the top for OC, SAMSUNG!
 

Boonesmi

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the kt400 chipset has some nice advantages over the kt333 chipset (but chipset is the key word... means both the northbridge and the southbridge)

the new epox boards (kt333) actually use the new southbridge (vt8235 the one from the kt400 chipset)
this new southbridge has built in LAN, it also has built in usb 2.0

about the only advantage of a kt400 based board would be the 8x agp support, and ddr400 support (but really the support for ddr400 isnt much of an advantage since the athlon doesnt need the extra memory bandwidth... so very very little performance gain of going with ddr400 and a 133mhz fsb)

another advantage of the new epox boards is that even if AMD switches to a 166mhz fsb (333) they will support it


so personally if i was in the market for a new board i wouldnt find the need to wait for the kt400
i would just get the epox 8k5a2 (or if i wanted LAN and RAID then the 8k5a2+)
 

mechBgon

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I'm also thinking nForce2 is another one to watch for, if it comes out in time.
 

BowlingNut

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well, i checked on the ultra/ultra 2 thing, and its pretty easy to spot. the 2 has ULTRA 2 REV 1.0 printed b/t the 3 and 4 pci slot, the ultra doesnt have anything there.

the ultra 2 uses the vt8235 south bridge though.....so i stillg et usb 2.0 and lan, like u said ddr 400 is useless for me...and i didnt think even the new radeon 9700 could saturate apg 4x....so what gives in that area? keep in mind that i'm gonna go to buy a completely new system in 2 years anyway, buying for way into the future isnt a problem for me, i've got a gf4mx440 right now, mabe a vid card upgrade next year (prolly an nv30 or 9500/9700 which i assume will be cheap next summer when nv35/40? and r350/400? are released.
 

CaptnKirk

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I wanted to recommend a good brand of memory, but I couldn't remember. First: the two REAL quality memory chip makes are Micron and Samsung. These companies re-screen their chips, and those that have the highest performance ( Prime chips ) are reserved for their own companies ( Crucial and Samsung ) for them to populate their own quality 6 layer PC Board memory units. The other chips are sold outside to vendors for incorporation into other systems that require memory chip sets. Some of these will reach the end user ( Thats YOU ) with heatspreaders, which dont work that well - mostly Eye Candy, and you pay EXTRA for the chips that the OEM didn't keep for themselves. There must be a reason that Crucial and Samsung dosen't use heatspreaders on their TRUE PREMIUM memory sticks. Could it be that they don't need it?
Samsung from Korea and Crucial from Idaho are the yardstick that memory is measured against anyway. Second: Crucial dosen't release a memory to a PCxxxx rating until the specification is released - they don't just 'guess' thay it will be some number and try to hit it, they exceed the lower linit of the spec by a substantial amount before they will put their name on it. Samsung is a very high quality chip also, and usually about 5% lower in cost than Crucial. If you pick up the EXTREME PERFORMANCE memory and get under the Heatspreader you will read Samsung about 75% of the time. I personally buy Crucial, but I wouldn't hesitate to put Samsung into my systems.

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Curley

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Someone explain it to me, If the athlon can only 266mb of memory bandwith and there is nary a difference between the KT266A and the KT333, what is the purpose of a KT400? The memory bandwidth is saturated at 266 or PC2100. If I buy some bad ass corsair PC3200 at CAS 2, will it really make a difference.

Anyone's input to educate me would be greatly appreciated.
 

BowlingNut

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the xp's aren't "266mhz" chips. they are designed to run on a 133mhz DDR system bus (front side bus). however, increasing the bus speed to 166mhz DDR (333mhz) means the chips can be fed information faster and thus they are transformed in "333mhz chips". the Kt333 chipset is supposed to proivde a stable base for systems even when overlocking your processor (from the 266mhz to 333mhz). the upcoming KT400 boards are...well were...supposed to give a way for the system bus to operate at 400mhz (200mhz ddr). VIA is unforuantely leaving it up to the mobo manufacturers to implement the 400 mhz bus correctly, so the key here is buy a quality mobo (asus, epox, abit, MSI, DFI, soyo to name a few). the next step is to get memory that will run at the desired system speed. pc2100 runs at 266mhz, pc2700 runs at 333mhz, and pc3200 runs at 400mhz - price increases as speed goes up. again, name brand quality modules will be faster, more stable, and more reliable than generic. finally, you need a processor that can handle the higher bus speeds. to understand this you need to realize that two things determine proc speed: multiplier and bus speed. the multiplier is exactly that, it multiplies the bus speed to ascertain the processor speed. the bus speed has already been discussed. so if we leave the multiplier alone, and simply increase the system bus...the cpu operates faster in additon to receiving data faster. the only problem is the ability of the core of the processor to handle the extra speed. this is overclocking. the "266mhz athlons" are less likely to be able to run at 400mhz (i've not heard of many that did), but most can reliably work at 333mhz - without lowering the multiplier. the "333mhz athlons" stand a much better chance of attaining "400mhz athlon" speeds - without lowering the multiplier. without going to far in to details on how overclocking affects the rest of the system - that is a pretty decent explanation of why we would use the KT400.

edit: i know i got pretty basic there - didnt mean to insult anyone's intelligence, but i've always found its better to overexplain rather than not explain at all
 

Curley

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Great, thanks for the explanation. If I get it right the 266 athlons can only take advantage of the increased bandwidth if you increase the FSB. Anyway, I have a Soltek 75DRV5 coming with an Athlon XP 2000, and 512MB Corsair PC3200 CAS "2" which was way more expensive that PC1066 RDRAM.

Thanks!!!