Kroger responds to denied 'morning after' pill request

DealMonkey

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A big :thumbsup: to Kroger for joining other chains in ensuring that customers can purchase Plan B at its stores.

A little word of advice for any pharmacists who insist on inflicting their beliefs on everyone that enters their proximity: STFU and dispense the pills already! Chop chop! Make it snappy! Put the pills in the bottle, hand it to the customer, smile and stop finding the need to interject your superstitious beliefs into everyone else's life.

Kroger responds to denied 'morning after' pill request

? Woman claims Kroger store denied her the "morning after" pill
? Kroger Co. is responding by reiterating its drug policies
? Grocery chain: Objecting pharmacists must find another way to fill prescription

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Kroger Co. said Friday it was reiterating its drug policies to all of its pharmacists after a Georgia woman claimed she was denied the "morning after" pill at one of the company's stores.

The Cincinnati-based grocery chain said if its pharmacists object to fulfilling a request, the store must "make accommodations to have that prescription filled for our customer."

"We believe that medication is a private patient matter," said Meghan Glynn, a Kroger spokeswoman. "Our role as a pharmacy operator is to furnish medication in accordance with the doctor's prescription or as requested by a patient."

Abortion rights activists in Georgia announced a statewide campaign Friday to raise awareness about the contraceptive.

Among them was Carrie Baker, who said a Kroger pharmacist in her hometown of Rome, Georgia, refused to supply her with the contraceptive. The 42-year-old married mother of two said she asked the store's manager in December to order the contraceptive but was told that the pharmacist refused, even though the decision contradicted company policy.

"I believe this was a responsible decision and the best way to care for my family and myself," she said. "But Kroger doesn't care."

Sold as Plan B, emergency contraception is a high dose of the drug found in many regular birth-control pills. It can lower the risk of pregnancy by up to 89 percent if taken within 72 hours of unprotected sex.

Girls 17 and younger still need a prescription to buy the drug, which the FDA made available over-the-counter to adults in August.

Supporters of the drug say widespread availability will cut down on unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

Critics argue it encourages promiscuity and unprotected sex and some consider it related to abortion, although it is different from the abortion pill RU-486.

Major pharmacy chains such as CVS Corp., Rite-Aid Corp. and Walgreen Co. also have pledged to ensure that customers can buy Plan B, even if one employee declines to provide service for reasons of conscience.

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Jaskalas

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It?s acceptable and certainly nicer than abortion. It?s a step in the right direction.

I mean, this isn?t like piercing the skull and chopping off the limbs.
 

6000SUX

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Originally posted by: JRich
Those pharmacists are in the wrong profession.

Agreed. I agree with all the posts so far. This issue is interesting to me because it really is the final extension of the abortion debate in a particular direction. The moment after fertilization, a member of the religious right-to-life movement probably believes it is murder to kill the fertilized egg, as the soul has already accrued. Meanwhile, an abortion-rights advocate almost certainly doesn't consider a fertilized egg to be a person. This debate sidesteps the messy question of "When does a person become a person?" for abortion-rights activists.
 
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The issue isn't merely when does a fetus become a person, but whether we should allow the government to force religious mythology on people.

I say go Kroger!
 

johnnobts

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"when does a person become a person?" for die-hard abortion rights activists, not even after birth.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
"when does a person become a person?" for die-hard abortion rights activists, not even after birth.
:roll:
Can everyone not agree that the ideal number of abortions is zero and access to birth control and drugs like this will significantly reduce the number of abortions that take place?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
"when does a person become a person?" for die-hard abortion rights activists, not even after birth.

And for the Catholic Church, not even before. You can't prevent a baby God intends to be born unless you just don't have fun.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
"when does a person become a person?" for die-hard abortion rights activists, not even after birth.

Asshat post of the day?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: 6000SUX
Originally posted by: JRich
Those pharmacists are in the wrong profession.

Agreed. I agree with all the posts so far. This issue is interesting to me because it really is the final extension of the abortion debate in a particular direction. The moment after fertilization, a member of the religious right-to-life movement probably believes it is murder to kill the fertilized egg, as the soul has already accrued. Meanwhile, an abortion-rights advocate almost certainly doesn't consider a fertilized egg to be a person. This debate sidesteps the messy question of "When does a person become a person?" for abortion-rights activists.

We have here, a clash in absolutes, in my opinion. Thou shall not kill, and sovereignty over ones own body. It is wrong to kill and it is wrong to make a woman have a child she does not want. A woman cannot not be a woman and she cannot consciously not have a child. And we are all biologically driven to have sex. We are an ape in a bind because of our intellect. In nature, babies come and if times are hard they are killed so the group can survive. We now have a situation where we can react with all sorts of opinions. One opinion I think we all must respect is the will of the individual woman to decide for herself.
 

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Originally posted by: Stunt

:roll:
Can everyone not agree that the ideal number of abortions is zero and access to birth control and drugs like this will significantly reduce the number of abortions that take place?

QFT, Best post in this thread...
 

johnnobts

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i stand by my quote, in illinois they passed a "born-alive" protection act. naral and other abortion groups, included barak obama, have tried to block this bill. so, a baby is not a baby, even if its actually alive outside the womb, if the mommy says so.

 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We have here, a clash in absolutes, in my opinion. Thou shall not kill, and sovereignty over ones own body. It is wrong to kill and it is wrong to make a woman have a child she does not want.

Pro-Choice should be the choice to conceive. No one forced her to make the child. If they did, a charge of rape should be mandatory on the father.

While I consider the pill itself birth control, abortions are another issue of which I have little sympathy except in the cases of rape and physical endangerment.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
i stand by my quote, in illinois they passed a "born-alive" protection act. naral and other abortion groups, included barak obama, have tried to block this bill. so, a baby is not a baby, even if its actually alive outside the womb, if the mommy says so.

That is your interpretation.. Got a link?

Maybe they are talking about babies who are born with severe deromations /abnormalities
 

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You know I read the other day that more babies with Down's Syndrome are aborted than are born. What a terrible message to send to those afflicted...

Add to that the fact that now, 25% of all pregnancies end with an abortion. It's a wonder most of us made it here at all.

When does a person actually become a person? I don't know. I can't answer that question. And honestly, neither can you. No one can say where that line is. The difference between us then is that even though you don't know for sure you still feel comfortable telling everyone abortion is OK, whereas I do not.

We can debate about when we should start protecting a person's life, but I think we need to reexamine the value we place on human life, before we give ourselves over to our own ideologies on these important matters.
 

Legend

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That sounds absolutely fair. Let people get their contraceptives, and let people with religious beliefs not fill them. Or at least I'm assuming it's based off religion, because at that stage, there's absolutely no cognitive function in the cells/baby...the only argument that I see that can be made is a religious one dealing with souls.
 

rickn

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who the hell do these pharmacists think they are? I think the next time one of them gets some teeth pulled and needs a percocet or some other RX pain killer that they should deny themselves, afterall god would want them to suffer from the pain since that is the natural course. :roll:
 

6000SUX

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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
You know I read the other day that more babies with Down's Syndrome are aborted than are born. What a terrible message to send to those afflicted...

Add to that the fact that now, 25% of all pregnancies end with an abortion. It's a wonder most of us made it here at all.

When does a person actually become a person? I don't know. I can't answer that question. And honestly, neither can you. No one can say where that line is. The difference between us then is that even though you don't know for sure you still feel comfortable telling everyone abortion is OK, whereas I do not.

We can debate about when we should start protecting a person's life, but I think we need to reexamine the value we place on human life, before we give ourselves over to our own ideologies on these important matters.

Is this aimed at me? :confused:

 
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Originally posted by: Trevelyan
You know I read the other day that more babies with Down's Syndrome are aborted than are born. What a terrible message to send to those afflicted...

Those afflicted might not even understand the issue. This is a good thing. Why would someone want to have a retarded child if they could avoid it? If you think other people should be obligated to birth children with birth defects, then why don't you do it or adopt children with birth defects? It's also better for our society's economy.

Of course, what I've just said isn't very touchy-feeley, but we know it's true.
 

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you know what really gets me mad? when people feel the need to tell others they shouldn't do that because they believe is wrong or because there god say so.. I have 2 kids, my first child I was scare sh!tless because responsibility and etc.. not once I told my wife let's aborted it because I said so. She would disagree. I told her listen, not me or anyone including fairy tale god can't tell you what should you do with your body. if you want to keep I stand by your side if you want abort I stand by your side doesn't matter... is your choice no one else.. People the live in this country believe so truely that U.S is the land of free than act like one stop trying control other people every aspect of there life including religion folk.. if they don't want to follow your damn god back off if they feel like shoving 20 feet pole up there ass mine your business.. as long you don't kill another human, you do whatever you want with your life/body.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
"when does a person become a person?" for die-hard abortion rights activists, not even after birth.

newsflash, a baby is not a "person".

countries with sane legal systems recognize this. For example in the UK mothers who kill their newborn infants are charged with the lesser crime of infanticide (as opposed to e..g, murder)