Kristol: Dean could win.

[SuperTool]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47806-2003Dec8?language=printer

Kristol is conservative commentator who makes rounds on Fox etc, and here is a sniplet:

And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47806-2003Dec8?language=printer

Kristol is conservative commentator who makes rounds on Fox etc, and here is a sniplet:

And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination.

And if dean moves to center, he is being to be accused of being a bush light and lose votes.

The 04 election is going to be interesting.

 

[Zebo]

He might if he can spend close to what Bush will.. So you contribute yet or what?

 

[CaptnKirk]

William Kristol

Used Rupert Murdochs financial backing to found 'The Weekly Standard', a mouthpiece for the GOP Agenda.
Founder (and Author) of the 'Project for a New American Century'.
AKA: 'Dan Quayles Brain'

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Zebo
He might if he can spend close to what Bush will.. So you contribute yet or what?

I contributed $100, but once Dean gets the nod I'll do it again for a few hundred. Are you still matching?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47806-2003Dec8?language=printer

Kristol is conservative commentator who makes rounds on Fox etc, and here is a sniplet:

And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination.

And if dean moves to center, he is being to be accused of being a bush light and lose votes.

The 04 election is going to be interesting.

To be Bush Light, Dean would have to move far right. If he moves to center, he'll be Clinton light (minus Monica) and gain votes.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47806-2003Dec8?language=printer

Kristol is conservative commentator who makes rounds on Fox etc, and here is a sniplet:

And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination.

And if dean moves to center, he is being to be accused of being a bush light and lose votes.

The 04 election is going to be interesting.

To be Bush Light, Dean would have to move far right. If he moves to center, he'll be Clinton light (minus Monica) and gain votes.

Then why does lieberman catch flack for being a bush light. He is only slightly left of center.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47806-2003Dec8?language=printer

Kristol is conservative commentator who makes rounds on Fox etc, and here is a sniplet:

And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination.

And if dean moves to center, he is being to be accused of being a bush light and lose votes.

The 04 election is going to be interesting.

To be Bush Light, Dean would have to move far right. If he moves to center, he'll be Clinton light (minus Monica) and gain votes.

Then why does lieberman catch flack for being a bush light. He is only slightly left of center.

Because it's the primary now. Different Audience. You move left in nomination to be in the center of Democratic voters, then you move to the right to be in the center of all voters.
It's kinda like Bush and McCain. McCain was centrist, but he lost the nomination. The difference is that Bush is a rightwinger who moved to the center to win the general election, while Dean really is a centrist who is moving left to win the nomination.

 

[dmcowen674]

12-9-2003 Republicans Ring In Return Of Big Government on Heels Of Medicare Plan

What's remarkable about this spending binge is that it is occurring under a Congress and White House run by Republicans.

Such an expansion of Washington's reach seems more appropriate for a party striving to re-create Democrat Lyndon Johnson's Great Society than fulfill GOP icon Ronald Reagan's vision of a smaller government.

Republicans say much of the government's recent expansion has been driven by the need to combat terrorism and ensure public safety.

Yet Democrats showed more restraint in 1993 and 1994, when they last controlled both the White House and Congress, by making painful reductions in the deficit.

Unless the Republican Party returns to its core principles, the smiles of GOP leaders may be replaced with frowns when tomorrow's voters receive the bills for today's spending spree.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47806-2003Dec8?language=printer

Kristol is conservative commentator who makes rounds on Fox etc, and here is a sniplet:

And how liberal is Dean anyway? He governed as a centrist in Vermont, and will certainly pivot to the center the moment he has the nomination.

And if dean moves to center, he is being to be accused of being a bush light and lose votes.

The 04 election is going to be interesting.

To be Bush Light, Dean would have to move far right. If he moves to center, he'll be Clinton light (minus Monica) and gain votes.

Then why does lieberman catch flack for being a bush light. He is only slightly left of center.

Because it's the primary now. Different Audience. You move left in nomination to be in the center of Democratic voters, then you move to the right to be in the center of all voters.
It's kinda like Bush and McCain. McCain was centrist, but he lost the nomination. The difference is that Bush is a rightwinger who moved to the center to win the general election, while Dean really is a centrist who is moving left to win the nomination.

I dont think he is going to be allowed to move to center by the people that get him a nomination.

 

[SuperTool]

Why the hell not? They allowed Clinton to do so. You just watch. Dean governed as a fiscal conservative in Vermont, so it's not like its a huge surprise. Balanced budgets are not left of center ideas, or are they?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why the hell not? They allowed Clinton to do so. You just watch. Dean governed as a fiscal conservative in Vermont, so it's not like its a huge surprise. Balanced budgets are not left of center ideas, or are they?

If the election was only about a balanced budget he might have a chance.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Zebo
He might if he can spend close to what Bush will.. So you contribute yet or what?

I contributed $100, but once Dean gets the nod I'll do it again for a few hundred. Are you still matching?

Yep just pm me when your ready I'll explain the confirmation match process.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why the hell not? They allowed Clinton to do so. You just watch. Dean governed as a fiscal conservative in Vermont, so it's not like its a huge surprise. Balanced budgets are not left of center ideas, or are they?

If the election was only about a balanced budget he might have a chance.

It's not like Bush is strong on other issues. Iraq isn't exactly getting resolved any time soon.

 

[glenn1]

Kristol: Dean could win.

Of course he could win, the question should rather be what's the likelihood he actually will win. If i were a bookie i don't think Dean would have an even line against Bush right now, and in the real election, there's no point spread.

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Kristol: Dean could win.

Of course he could win, the question should rather be what's the likelihood he actually will win. If i were a bookie i don't think Dean would have an even line against Bush right now, and in the real election, there's no point spread.

Again, you give yet another painstakingly detailed, thorough examination of exactly why Dean can't win. Kudos! :beer:

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why the hell not? They allowed Clinton to do so. You just watch. Dean governed as a fiscal conservative in Vermont, so it's not like its a huge surprise. Balanced budgets are not left of center ideas, or are they?

If the election was only about a balanced budget he might have a chance.

It's not like Bush is strong on other issues. Iraq isn't exactly getting resolved any time soon.

The Bush administration has to be worried about the Shia's at this point. The Shia have a history for patience and the longer they wait to make their move the more devastating it could be for Bush's plans. What happens if the Shia right now are laying the groundwork for a serious terror campaign beginning say in October 2004?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why the hell not? They allowed Clinton to do so. You just watch. Dean governed as a fiscal conservative in Vermont, so it's not like its a huge surprise. Balanced budgets are not left of center ideas, or are they?

If the election was only about a balanced budget he might have a chance.

It's not like Bush is strong on other issues. Iraq isn't exactly getting resolved any time soon.

Well when he tells the south they dont need to vote on god or guns, his campaign has problems.

 

[Jhhnn]

Kristol is right, and I'm definitely not a fan. When campaigning in Y2K, Bush could campaign to the center. Given his record, such a move would be tough to spin at the present time

Dean, on the other hand, can stand on his record as governor of Vermont, and the Republicans can't hang the gun-grabber anchor around his neck, either. Amazing how many blue-collar single-issue voters went against Gore for that reason alone.

And Yeh, the wife and I have agreed to donate up to the max for Dean. If we can't win this election, the following years won't matter much, four more years of Reactionary Right leadership will succeed in destroying the financial integrity of the government, just as they've intended all along...

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Zebo
He might if he can spend close to what Bush will.. So you contribute yet or what?

Are you talking about spending more or after the election?

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Why the hell not? They allowed Clinton to do so. You just watch. Dean governed as a fiscal conservative in Vermont, so it's not like its a huge surprise. Balanced budgets are not left of center ideas, or are they?

If the election was only about a balanced budget he might have a chance.

It's not like Bush is strong on other issues. Iraq isn't exactly getting resolved any time soon.

Well when he tells the south they dont need to vote on god or guns, his campaign has problems.

IMO, Dean can win with minimal support in the South. He will need one large Southern State i.e. Florida or Louisiana, Arkansas/Tennessee. If he picks Clark or a moderate Southern Senator, he can hold his own in those states i.e. either Louisiana Senators or an intriguing choice may be Rep. Harold Ford Jr of Tennessee. Dean could run a populists campaign challenging GWB's policies that have led to major job losses in blue collar jobs and agriculture as well as textiles and other manufacturing industries. I truly believe that Florida, Louisianna, Arkansas and other southern states are "in play" and competitive.

Edit: regarding guns, Dean got a perfect A+ rating from the NRA. I like his states-right stance on this issue. God, Guns and Gays ... if people vote on these issues well they deserve what they get.

 

[dmcowen674]

Dean just said "The Corporations have taken over the Government" 7:10 am on Today show.

How can that be the AT Experts keep telling me that hasn't happened.

 

[freegeeks]

Can I contribute to Dean as a foreigner ???

 

[Mursilis]

From DeanforAmerica.com:

The first step in reversing this agenda, balancing the budget and putting the US fiscal house in order must be the repeal of the Bush tax cuts, and returning the tax code to rates that were in effect during the prosperous years of the Clinton-Gore administration.

Selling tax hikes to the electorate is going to be a tough row to hoe, unless the Dems can convincingly label the Bush cuts as tax cuts for the rich alone. Maybe they can; who knows? Anyway, it will be interesting to see a Dem attempt to make an issue of 'fiscal responsibility', since this is the same party which had no problems with deficit spending most of the years it controlled Congress. If Dean actually wins, and actually tries to balance the budget with tax hikes, he'd be toast in 2008. The Republicans talk about spending cuts (their answer to the budget deficit), but they know both tax hikes and spending cuts are political suicide so, choosing power over principle, they've choosen to run up the national credit card just like the Dems.

 

[kandarp]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Can I contribute to Dean as a foreigner ???

I dont think Dean is Clinton, but if you contribute enough and dean wins..you are promised a night in the Lincoln bedroom