Kris Kristofferson singer-songwriter and actor dies at 88.

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
12,004
2,748
136
His later life also shows just how "out of touch" doctors can be in diagnosing infection. He had Lyme's but was given other irrelevant drugs for other diseases. But he lived long enough to get correctly diagnosed and have the symptoms properly cleared out for the remainder of his life.



Lost about 10 years of fucking life but people worship doctors because they don't know of the patients who have advocate for themselves against hostile or out-of-touch doctors.
 
  • Like
Reactions: pmv

stargazr

Diamond Member
Jun 13, 2010
4,104
3,591
136
His later life also shows just how "out of touch" doctors can be in diagnosing infection. He had Lyme's but was given other irrelevant drugs for other diseases. But he lived long enough to get correctly diagnosed and have the symptoms properly cleared out for the remainder of his life.



Lost about 10 years of fucking life but people worship doctors because they don't know of the patients who have advocate for themselves against hostile or out-of-touch doctors.
I agree some doctors aren't very good at their job. And in this case, you would think with someone financially well off that they would have excellent medical care.

Having said that, Lyme's disease is kind of tricky to diagnose. There is not a test where it specifically shows up (at least when I had it in the early 90s). A blood test will probably reveal that your body is fighting a bacterial infection. And there are several symptoms, which can come and go, that can be mistaken for other ailments. Of course in the meantime, the disease progresses.

With my experience, I got really sick within a few days. I was fortunate that I lived in a rural area (lots of deer ticks), and my doctor had experience with quite a few cases by that point.
 
  • Like
Reactions: nakedfrog

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
14,664
9,555
136
I agree some doctors aren't very good at their job. And in this case, you would think with someone financially well off that they would have excellent medical care.

Having said that, Lyme's disease is kind of tricky to diagnose. There is not a test where it specifically shows up (at least when I had it in the early 90s). A blood test will probably reveal that your body is fighting a bacterial infection. And there are several symptoms, which can come and go, that can be mistaken for other ailments. Of course in the meantime, the disease progresses.

With my experience, I got really sick within a few days. I was fortunate that I lived in a rural area (lots of deer ticks), and my doctor had experience with quite a few cases by that point.

I don't think it's just "some doctors". There's a culture among them, much as is acknowledged with regard to the police (what's called "canteen culture" is often discussed regarding cops, but for some reason it's rarely acknowledged that similar things exist in all professions).
 
  • Like
Reactions: stargazr

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
14,664
9,555
136
Anyway, on the topic of the thread, I think I only ever saw him in the Blade movies and this



He was good in those, though (odd, seeing his huge filmography, that I somehow never saw anything else of his).
 
Dec 10, 2005
27,532
11,878
136
I always liked the story of how he called out and told off Toby Keith for his fake, flag-wrapped patriotism.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
12,004
2,748
136
I agree some doctors aren't very good at their job. And in this case, you would think with someone financially well off that they would have excellent medical care.

Having said that, Lyme's disease is kind of tricky to diagnose. There is not a test where it specifically shows up (at least when I had it in the early 90s). A blood test will probably reveal that your body is fighting a bacterial infection. And there are several symptoms, which can come and go, that can be mistaken for other ailments. Of course in the meantime, the disease progresses.

With my experience, I got really sick within a few days. I was fortunate that I lived in a rural area (lots of deer ticks), and my doctor had experience with quite a few cases by that point.

I don't think it's just "some doctors". There's a culture among them, much as is acknowledged with regard to the police (what's called "canteen culture" is often discussed regarding cops, but for some reason it's rarely acknowledged that similar things exist in all professions).
I've had a taste of what doctors do when you tell them you have a infection; one by myself and the other for my mother. Infections are usually low priority. They look at the macroscopic. If you are not presenting emergency symptoms, they'll either give you antibiotics or they'll give you absolutely nothing and bank that your immune system ends the disease. And by emergency symptoms, either big observable issues or blood tests being abnormal. The ER doc thinks you're wasting their time and sends you to the primary. Then your primary care determines the patient has nothing at all. Dead end while someone is actually physically suffering. The cold reality is that they operate far more similar to mechanics but with none of the stigma. Mechs can take advantage for profit; how many of them sell new brake calipers when the hose has failed? They swap the calipers, it doesn't fix the symptoms caused by the brake hose, then customer has to go back and then they swap the brake hose. In short, that's the "parts cannon" of troubleshooting and making profit.

As an aside, the "banking on your immune system" is naturally not going to work on older people or immunocompromised people.

I had the PERSONAL misfortune of a slow-moving, intially symptom-not-presenting infection that started off innocuous at first, but by the time I probably killed it off, it caused real nerve damage(could not lift arm beyond just a little angle, maybe 15 degrees). I did get a different batch of antibiotics from the SAME ER just a week prior, but they treated the arm issue separately, and the written paperwork doesn't definitively support my own theorizing. Also, the report might have been even more inaccurate had I not told the doc I was considering law school....indicating to them I'm not the typical trusting old seniors they usually face and can sweet talk.

Mother's case, it's biopsy wound not treated right; this is a larger mammogram biopsy with a bigger hole. The wound sealing method failed upon arrival at home, and her clothes got covered in blood. Rushed to urgent care, nothing. Couple weeks pass, gradual symptoms develop, and they are STILL present in her. Can't stand on her right leg for very long without pain, the wound site and breast still has pain. She got it worse than me because she has had no antibiotics from the beginning until the present.

Boar's head might have made the conditions for listeria, but I have suspicion the ones who died also received the same callous, indifferent medical care. But it's easier to convince a jury who is likely to think "evil food company with shit conditions" than "holy man doc just doing his best and making a mistake, and the platiniff is a money-grubbing suing piece of garbage".
 
  • Like
Reactions: stargazr
Dec 10, 2005
27,532
11,878
136
I agree some doctors aren't very good at their job. And in this case, you would think with someone financially well off that they would have excellent medical care.

Having said that, Lyme's disease is kind of tricky to diagnose. There is not a test where it specifically shows up (at least when I had it in the early 90s). A blood test will probably reveal that your body is fighting a bacterial infection. And there are several symptoms, which can come and go, that can be mistaken for other ailments. Of course in the meantime, the disease progresses.

With my experience, I got really sick within a few days. I was fortunate that I lived in a rural area (lots of deer ticks), and my doctor had experience with quite a few cases by that point.
Lyme disease can be tricky because the test for it has a modest false positive rate. If you test in areas where it isn't endemic, you'll likely have more false positives than true positives if you just test people without other risk factors. And then if you are in non-endemic areas, doctors there are also less likely to think of Lyme disease, and patients may not know to bring up potential exposure routes (ie trips they took).
 
  • Like
Reactions: stargazr

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
39,059
19,757
146
RIP - I knew him as an actor, didn’t know he made music until the past year. Very talented guy