kranky's tips for working in an office environment

kranky

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First, this isn't a "cliff notes" type thread. Sorry.

For those who are entering the "real" workforce after graduation, here are some tips that I hope you can use. It's the stuff they don't teach in school. Since my career has been in a office environment in a medium-sized company, they probably are most applicable to a similar environment.

  • You may have certain opinions as to what should be important to your boss. You'll be ahead of the game if you make a point to find out for sure. For example, I want people who are punctual, reliable, honest, dedicated, can work with others, etc. Your boss may see things differently.

    Some people aren't punctual, don't see the value in it, and keep trying to convince me that it's overrated. Unfortunately for them, I get to decide what's important so they are only hurting themselves by continuing to be late for work and for meetings. For them to be upset with me that I won't adjust my expectations to match their behavior is silly.

    It boils down to this: to be successful, find out what your boss wants, and give it to him/her. Simple, I know, but so few people understand the value in it.

  • Regardless of your position, go out of your way to be nice to the secretaries, the mailroom people, the cleaning staff, the facilities manager, etc. On paper, they have no power. Most people treat them like dirt. In reality, they can do a lot for you. I have a nice cordless headset, a huge office that looks out over a river, I get a phone call if my boss is on his way over to see me, etc., all of which I don't really qualify for, but I got by being nice to those people. Do favors for them if you can, and it will come back to you 10 times over.

  • When you start, you'll probably have some co-workers who will be telling you to slow down, you don't need to work so hard, etc. They'll have a bunch of reasons to justify it. In reality, they just want to drag you down to their level. They don't want you making them look bad. Ignore them and do your best.

  • Study the culture of your company. Is it formal? Loose? Do most people work extra hours? Do people take long lunches? How do they dress? What types of jokes do they tell? While I'm not suggesting you remake yourself into someone else, you should at least be aware of the type of culture your company has. Every company has a culture. If you want to succeed, try to fit in. Being the odd person out won't cost you your job, but you won't be able to develop the contacts that will help you down the road.

  • The biggest thing that holds people back is poor communications skills. Spell check isn't a magic bullet. Learn to write coherently, with good structure. Learn to spell on your own. Force yourself to make presentations to others - no matter how bad you hate to do it. The truth is NO ONE likes it at first because it makes you damn uncomfortable. The first few will suck, and it's better to get them out of the way as early as possible before you have to do one that's important.

    You might think that using "where r u going for lunch" in an email is harmless, but it's a habit you'd be better off breaking. You can't imagine how many times I've seen emails that made the author look like a 12-year-old get forwarded to people higher up in the company. What happens is that the higher-ups get the impression the author (who they don't know personally) is illiterate. You don't want to get a label that's hard to shake.

  • Some rules are breakable, but there needs to be a good reason. The quickest way to get on my bad side is to say "The rules say that X isn't allowed, but you let Bob do X, so I want to do it too." It's not a democracy. There was a good reason I allowed Bob to do X. That reason doesn't apply to you, so don't whine. You might need special treatment someday for a different reason, and if you let me do it for Bob without demanding equal treatment, I'll do it for you. You cannot have every single thing that every single other person gets.

  • On the subject of whining, don't go around bad-mouthing people and the company. Believe me, word gets around. Another deparment just force-retired a guy at age 58 because he was a chronic complainer and no one could stand to be around him. A particularly evil thing that some people do is encourage the new person to complain about stuff, then tell the boss behind their back.

  • The sad reality is that people probably won't tell you what your shortcomings are. It's unpleasant to tell people they have B.O., or they talk too much, or they have terrible communications skills, or they are too nosy, or they spend too much time on personal calls, or a million other things. So most people won't say anything, leaving you to figure it out on your own. Make an effort to sense how people react to you. I've tried to correct my big faults over the years and even though no one ever told me about them directly, I can see the benefits.

  • Find a way to have fun with your job. It's possible, and it will make working a lot more enjoyable. If you can't figure out how, find another job. You don't want to be 30 years old and wake up one day realizing you can't stand to go to work one more day.

  • Keep developing your skills. Most people begin to vegetate the instant they start working. If you want to have a lot of value, keep learning. Read trade journals. Talk to the experienced people at your company and pick their brains. Most people are happy to share their knowledge when asked. You can't sit back and wait for someone to train you.

    If the company has a rough patch, you'll be kept while others aren't.

    On a related note, don't be the type of person who says "That's not my job". I've been really successful by taking on anything I've been asked to do. I've learned more by doing things outside my core job and am more valuable as a result.

  • It's a fact that most people coming out of school are lazy. They cheated in school, copied papers from the Internet, lied to get out of assignments, blew off working when there was a party to go to, etc. What happens is that when they get into a real job, they don't even know how to work! They can't focus, they can't work with others, and they often don't feel like they have to work. If you work hard, I guarantee you will automatically outperform 90% of your co-workers. You can be thankful for the lazy ones because they really make it easy to move ahead.

For all of you starting out a new career after graduation, I wish you the best of luck.

And read the rest of the thread for additional tips from other members! Good stuff.
 

MaxDSP

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Excellent advice. I have one more to add:

ALL forms of communication CAN and PROBABLY ARE monitored/recorded...
 

CPA

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Another:

No Groping co-workers unless it's happy hour.
 

Orsorum

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Excellent advice Kranky. I hope to take some of that with me as I start this summer. :)
 

simms

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Thank you very much. I'm now taking the initiative for any other people to come share their thoughts. :)

Bookmarked, great words.
 

gigapet

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one more:

Don't let your paycheck delude you into thinking that you are happy. You are still working for the man and selling your soul one day at a time.
 

Good stuff. I'll be graduating next year and will (hopefully) be heading into government work. I, for one, can tell you that there *are* some people in school right now who are applied, dedicated and will be excellent workers. I am one of them.

But the vast majority of my classmates are not those people.

:)
 

Originally posted by: gigapet
one more:

Don't let your paycheck delude you into thinking that you are happy. You are still working for the man and selling your soul one day at a time.
But with all the money you get, you can buy your soul back from 'the man' one day!

That day is called retirement.
 

CRXican

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sounds pretty accurate to me

I've been working in an office enviornemnt for nearly 4 years to make money while going to school and what you say is good advice

I'll add:

Try not too be too obvious when staring at the hotties in the office. They may be fun too look at but you don't need a lawsuit against you.
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: gigapet
one more:

Don't let your paycheck delude you into thinking that you are happy. You are still working for the man and selling your soul one day at a time.
But with all the money you get, you can buy your soul back from 'the man' one day!

That day is called retirement.

40+ hour work weeks for conglomerate corporations compensating us with mere slave wages and bull sh1t pensions we'll likely never see, all the while taunting us to work free overtime with promises of just-out-of-reach advancement opportunities and 3% pay increases.

:beer: heres to corporate life
 

ironcrotch

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After reading that, thank you kranky for that advice. I graduate in 9 days and will start working in the fall and the stuff you mentioned is stuff I will never have crossed my mind.
 

DaveSimmons

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That's all good advice, even for small companies like where I work.

For small companies at least, one I'd add:
Don't work so hard at protecting yourself from fallout from wrong decisions (by getting every tiny aspect of your work approved by a higher-up) that you don't get your real work done
I've had to train one of the developers working for me out of this one, he came from a large company where the rule was reversed: CYA then if time permits do some real work.

In a small company, you have more freedom but also more responsibility. You can't spend days writing up what you're planning to do instead of actually doing it. You will make a mistake now and then, but that goes with the job.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: gigapet
one more:

Don't let your paycheck delude you into thinking that you are happy. You are still working for the man and selling your soul one day at a time.
But with all the money you get, you can buy your soul back from 'the man' one day!

That day is called retirement.

40+ hour work weeks for conglomerate corporations compensating us with mere slave wages and bull sh1t pensions we'll likely never see, all the while taunting us to work free overtime with promises of just-out-of-reach advancement opportunities and 3% pay increases.

:beer: heres to corporate life

You're either still in college or very unhappy with your job. Good for you. Some of us aren't.
 

Mo0o

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most of it is pretty common sense but still a good read. :thumbsup:
 

mugs

Lifer
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My contribution - dress appropriately for the occassion. Even if jeans are allowed at your company, they're not always appropriate. Don't wear jeans to a meeting that will be attended by someone high up in the company unless they normally wear jeans. If they're wearing a suit and you're wearing jeans, you look stupid.

I bring this up because I saw it happen today.