Kootra from the Creatures gets arrested during live Twitch stream

[MomentsofSanity]

Really?

That response is warranted with no evidence or corroboration? Just an anonymous phone call.
I'd hardly say that was the police doing their best. There didn't seem to be much work put in to seeing if that response was necessary.

The initial call was reporting an active shooter situation. I'm curious, procedurally, what do you think they should have done?

 

[sandorski]

I can't think of a lot of realistic scenarios that justify storming a building full of peaceful inhabitants and tieing them up at gunpoint on no evidence.

Ok, well, I can.

 

[Schmide]

The initial call was reporting an active shooter situation. I'm curious, procedurally, what do you think they should have done?

Check to see if black. Respond accordingly.

 

[mnewsham]

The initial call was reporting an active shooter situation. I'm curious, procedurally, what do you think they should have done?

I believe the call was he killed two co-workers and took others hostage and would shoot officers on sight. So considering the information they had, they acted accordingly, and had the call not been a prank, it would have been needed. Though searching of the phone was questionable considering the recent Riley v. California ruling.

 

[WelshBloke]

True,

But what would your response be if they didn't go to his house and the call was legit.

You don't think there's some middle ground between not turning up and turning up and hog tieing people at gunpoint?

The initial call was reporting an active shooter situation. I'm curious, procedurally, what do you think they should have done?

Check to see if there was any evidence of an actual active shooter situation?

 

[Mai72]

Wow. I just saw the video.

I think the police did what they are trained yo do. You can't just knock on the door and ask if everybody is fine. No! You need to take control of the situation. Cops have been murdered because they underestimated the people they are dealing with.

 

[meob]

The initial call was reporting an active shooter situation. I'm curious, procedurally, what do you think they should have done?

I dunno, maybe when they found the building completely empty but for some guy playing computer games with his hands up and visible they could have just employed some common sense.

"don't you fucking move, boy"
What a bad motherfucka.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You don't think there's some middle ground between not turning up and turning up and hog tieing people at gunpoint?



Check to see if there was any evidence of an actual active shooter situation?

Ok. And in a multi floor office building where you don't know how many people are there, how many possible shooters there are or if anyone was able to get out of the floor the call came from how would you determine that without going in?

And if you have to go in, are you going to casually stroll in and knock on a couple doors or do a tactical entry believing what they believed was going on?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I dunno, maybe when they found the building completely empty but for some guy playing computer games with his hands up and visible they could have just employed some common sense.

"don't you fucking move, boy"
What a bad motherfucka.

Empty? It was the middle of a weekday. They had to put neighbouring schools and businesses on lockdown and evacuate the building. The creatures also had prop guns etc... Which slowed police as they had to check them out to see if any were real.

As for finding a guy in a room alone? You secure them immediately to ensure they pose no threat. Nothing the police did save checking his phone(which I assume was to see if his call history showed him making the call) seems all that questionable.

 

[Pulsar]

Ok. And in a multi floor office building where you don't know how many people are there, how many possible shooters there are or if anyone was able to get out of the floor the call came from how would you determine that without going in?

And if you have to go in, are you going to casually stroll in and knock on a couple doors or do a tactical entry believing what they believed was going on?

Don't bother. He's acting the idiot.

An active shooter call was made - saying two people had already been shot and that more would be shot if anyone entered the building. The SWAT team did exactly what they were trained to do - entered and subdued.

 

[Anonemous]

Did anyone ever get shot during these SWATTING incidents?

 

[Carson Dyle]

While I suppose they have to act on such a call, you have to ask:

If someone just shot multiple people in a public office building in the middle of the day, do you really think that he'd be the one calling it in? Don't you think the switchboard would light up? Doesn't anyone ask why they haven't received multiple terrified callers within a short time frame?

We seem to have a complete lack of common sense in our law enforcement community these days.

 

[WelshBloke]

Don't bother. He's acting the idiot.

You think that saying that the police should have more than an unsubstantiated rumour before deploying a swat team is "acting the idiot"?

What if the guy had been gaming with his headphones turned up high and hadn't heard the swat team coming?

When he jumped up in alarm, turned to face them and got shot several times would you still be saying that the police did everything correctly?

 

[Anubis]

who from the what?

 

[sandorski]

who from the what?

The Creatures

Kootra

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You think that saying that the police should have more than an unsubstantiated rumour before deploying a swat team is "acting the idiot"?

What if the guy had been gaming with his headphones turned up high and hadn't heard the swat team coming?

When he jumped up in alarm, turned to face them and got shot several times would you still be saying that the police did everything correctly?

You are the cops.

You get a quick call saying people are being shot and killed right now.
Describe this "middle ground" and if it were real and more died as a result how do you fix that?

 

[Jodell88]

You are the cops.

You get a quick call saying people are being shot and killed right now.
Describe this "middle ground" and if it were real and more died as a result how do you fix that?

I think what people are saying is, if the call were true they would have arrived to a chaotic scene. However, they just arrived to see people going about their day as normal, which should have alerted them to the call being a hoax.

Personally, I believe the Police should take every call as serious as possible so I have no problem with the SWAT team showing up and sweeping the building.

My biggest problem is with the cursing of the officers, but I live in a place where that kind of language is frowned upon.

 

[mnewsham]

I think what people are saying is, if the call were true they would have arrived to a chaotic scene. However, they just arrived to see people going about their day as normal, which should have alerted them to the call being a hoax.

Personally, I believe the Police should take every call as serious as possible so I have no problem with the SWAT team showing up and sweeping the building.

My biggest problem is with the cursing of the officers, but I live in a place where that kind of language is frowned upon.

The SWAT team freely admitted they felt something was up when they arrived on scene and saw evidence nothing was really going down, but you have to treat the situation like the information you have is correct, because if it IS and you are unprepared, you could end up dead. They cleared the rooms, made sure the building was secure THEN sorted out what REALLY was going on.

 

[Axon]

Its screwed up that this happened to this guy, but this seemed to be a well-trained team that knew what they were doing.

 

[Childs]

Kinda funny when he was in handcuffs and in game he had the bomb, and the other players just kill him, take the bomb, then kept playing. I remember watching this guy a long time ago. His videos actually got me into Mount & Blade. Now he has an LLC and leased offices. Amazing how much money gameplay videos can generate.

Only annoying thing was how antagonistic the cops seemed to be, but whatever. I'd hate to think what might of happened if he was using speakers and when they came in they heard shots.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Well that was interesting

 

[Albatross]

Publicity stunt?

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Publicity stunt?

No.

They're successful. They don't need the extra publicity.

 

[WelshBloke]

You are the cops.

You get a quick call saying people are being shot and killed right now.
Describe this "middle ground" and if it were real and more died as a result how do you fix that?

Do you think that the cops should be able to do a military style clearance of any residence they chose? Because if your bar for that is set at one anonymous call that's pretty much what your letting them do.

How would you fix it if the cops had shot this kid because he didn't react as calmly as he did? In this situation the cops were the only threat to life. That's maybe a situation they should put more effort into avoiding?

 

[WelshBloke]

You are the cops.

You get a quick call saying people are being shot and killed right now.
Describe this "middle ground" and if it were real and more died as a result how do you fix that?

Do you think that the cops should be able to do a military style clearance of any residence they chose? Because if your bar for that is set at one anonymous call that's pretty much what you're letting them do.

How would you fix it if the cops had shot this kid because he didn't react as calmly as he did? In this situation the cops were the only threat to life. That's maybe a situation they should put more effort into avoiding?