Kobe without Shaq. QUIT with this nonsense.

[LeeTJ]

i'm getting soo tired of reading how kobe is nothing without shaq. Can you honestly tell me that if you replaced MJ w/ a Kobe in his prime on those championship bulls teams that they would NOT have been competitive?? that they wouldnt' have won at least ONE championship?? probably more??

what about when MJ retires and Pippen takes the bulls to the Eastern conference finals, you think that Pippen and Kobe couldn't have beaten the knicks that year??

comon. stop with the nonsense, Kobe is a GREAT player. mb not MJ yet, but a GREAT player.

 

[Cancer12]

I was under the impression he was better than MJ. I dont follow BB too closely but my friends that do informed me of this.

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: Cancer12
I was under the impression he was better than MJ. I dont follow BB too closely but my friends that do informed me of this.

Better than MJ in his prime?, or in his current state?

 

[ThisIsMatt]

MJ was fun to watch, kobe is an ass.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
MJ was fun to watch, kobe is an ass.

hehehehe. compared to who? sprewell? laetner?

MJ was an ass. OMFG he was soo full of himself.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
MJ was fun to watch, kobe is an ass.

hehehehe. compared to who? sprewell? laetner?

MJ was an ass. OMFG he was soo full of himself.

Not to bash MJ.. but MJ was a womanizer/adulterer and an addicted gambler who also chose not to go to the White House to meet the President when he was honoring the Bulls Championship..

MJ also was the one who told Phil Jackson "But there is an "I" in Win" when Phil was trying to get Jordan to respect his "supporting cast" <<as he referred to them :disgust: )) Phil told him there is no I in team.

 

[UCDznutz]

well i'm not denying Kobe's a great player. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

But take a look at Penny Hardaway. that guy was on the edge of stardom in the NBA while playing with Shaq in Orlando. Made it to the finals and everything. But once Shaq bounced to LA, Penny's been off the radar ever since.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: UCDznutz
well i'm not denying Kobe's a great player. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

But take a look at Penny Hardaway. that guy was on the edge of stardom in the NBA while playing with Shaq in Orlando. Made it to the finals and everything. But once Shaq bounced to LA, Penny's been off the radar ever since.

I think Penny has been nursing injuries since 96 or 97

 

[ed21x]

MJ actually enhances his team, while Kobe is just a stats whore who would easily sacrifice his team to make himself look better. Don't we all remember what the laker's record was before Shaq came back?

 

[machintos]

I have to give it to kobe, he's a great basketball player.
But he doesn't have what it takes to lead a team.
MJ brought the championship back to the bulls right after he came back from retirement.
MJ was a great player and a great leader.

Kobe is not MJ and wil never be MJ. Hopefully kobe can soon learn how to be a leader and play for the team, not just for himself.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: ed21x
MJ actually enhances his team, while Kobe is just a stats whore who would easily sacrifice his team to make himself look better. Don't we all remember what the laker's record was before Shaq came back?

Kobe was minus Shaq and Rick Fox and Phil Jackson even stated that he expected the team to only win 1 out of 7 games.... and the team is built for Shaq and his bloated salary.

Oh well, maybe you should try to understand the game of basketball a little better.

Who was better
Samaki Walker or Dennis Rodman
Rick Fox or Scottie Pippen
Mark Madsen or Toni Kucoc

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: ed21x
MJ actually enhances his team, while Kobe is just a stats whore who would easily sacrifice his team to make himself look better. Don't we all remember what the laker's record was before Shaq came back?

exactly, ur the kind of moron i'm talking about. switch MJ in his prime on this laker team w/o shaq and I GUARANTEE you that the team would STILL have a losing record.

vice versa. take Kobe and put him on ANY of the Bulls championship teams and I can GUARANTEE you that the bulls would Still have had winning records w/ Kobe instead of MJ.

my point is IT'S A TEAM SPORT.

you can't just take shaq out and expect the lakers to do as well. sheesh.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: machintos
I have to give it to kobe, he's a great basketball player.
But he doesn't have what it takes to lead a team.
MJ brought the championship back to the bulls right after he came back from retirement.
MJ was a great player and a great leader.

Kobe is not MJ and wil never be MJ. Hopefully kobe can soon learn how to be a leader and play for the team, not just for himself.

machintos

Pippen took that bulls team to the Eastern Conference Championships WITHOUT MJ. U put kobe there the next season and Can you honestly tell me that they wouldn't have made a run for a championship??

 

[RalphWiggum]

Originally posted by: UCDznutz
well i'm not denying Kobe's a great player. Anyone who says otherwise is full of it.

But take a look at Penny Hardaway. that guy was on the edge of stardom in the NBA while playing with Shaq in Orlando. Made it to the finals and everything. But once Shaq bounced to LA, Penny's been off the radar ever since.

That's a real bad example. Penny got one of those career damaging injuries and was never the same. His success/failure can't be attributed to Shaq.

And yes, the Lakers went 3-9 without Shaq to start the season. Then Shaq came back and he magically lifted the team to 7-9. So, the blame lies more on the team than on Kobe's shoulders. He's jsut more willing to take the shot and the responsibilities of leading the team, as he is the only player other than Shaq who can get his own shot and lead the team.

Kobe and MJ can't really be compared. Different eras, different teammates, different competition, different everything. Kobe/Shaq has never won a championship without the other, and MJ/Pippen have also never won a championship without each other.

 

[bigdog1218]

exactly, ur the kind of moron i'm talking about. switch MJ in his prime on this laker team w/o shaq and I GUARANTEE you that the team would STILL have a losing record.

Thats a bunch of garbage, look at the Wizards last year before Jordan got hurt. No one in their right mind would have said the Wizards were a playoff contender, but Jordan made them one. Put him on the Lakers with a much better cast and they have a winning record and make the playoffs easy. Jordan makes the players around him look good, Kobe makes himself look good.

Hell, I GUARANTEE, Jordan can do more for the Lakers now, forget about his prime.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

exactly, ur the kind of moron i'm talking about. switch MJ in his prime on this laker team w/o shaq and I GUARANTEE you that the team would STILL have a losing record.

Thats a bunch of garbage, look at the Wizards last year before Jordan got hurt. No one in their right mind would have said the Wizards were a playoff contender, but Jordan made them one. Put him on the Lakers with a much better cast and they have a winning record and make the playoffs easy. Jordan makes the players around him look good, Kobe makes himself look good.

Hell, I GUARANTEE, Jordan can do more for the Lakers now, forget about his prime.

A playoff contender in the East - LOL

BTW, who is Jerry Stackhouse?

 

[bigdog1218]

BTW stackhouse was on Detroit last year, Good Job.

Jordan can take a bad team into the playoffs when he's 40, kobe can't take a good team into the playoffs now, what's there to argue.

 

[human2k]

Mj and Kobe suck, Tim Duncan = All Around Great Player, remember his rookie season?

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218
BTW stackhouse was on Detroit last year, Good Job.

Jordan can take a bad team into the playoffs when he's 40, kobe can't take a good team into the playoffs now, what's there to argue.

HAHAHAHA

you can sit there and tell me that fisher, horry, walker, madsen, Rick is a GOOD TEAM??

shoot, w/o Kobe and Shaq, this lakers team would lose to a good college team.

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: ed21x
MJ actually enhances his team, while Kobe is just a stats whore who would easily sacrifice his team to make himself look better. Don't we all remember what the laker's record was before Shaq came back?

exactly, ur the kind of moron i'm talking about. switch MJ in his prime on this laker team w/o shaq and I GUARANTEE you that the team would STILL have a losing record.

vice versa. take Kobe and put him on ANY of the Bulls championship teams and I can GUARANTEE you that the bulls would Still have had winning records w/ Kobe instead of MJ.

my point is IT'S A TEAM SPORT.

you can't just take shaq out and expect the lakers to do as well. sheesh.

i couldnt agree more, imo kobe is on his way to being better than MJ in his prime

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: ed21x
MJ actually enhances his team, while Kobe is just a stats whore who would easily sacrifice his team to make himself look better. Don't we all remember what the laker's record was before Shaq came back?

exactly, ur the kind of moron i'm talking about. switch MJ in his prime on this laker team w/o shaq and I GUARANTEE you that the team would STILL have a losing record.

vice versa. take Kobe and put him on ANY of the Bulls championship teams and I can GUARANTEE you that the bulls would Still have had winning records w/ Kobe instead of MJ.

my point is IT'S A TEAM SPORT.

you can't just take shaq out and expect the lakers to do as well. sheesh.

So you're saying that an In-His-Prime MJ couldn't have led the Lakers to a record better than 3-9 to start the season without Shaq in this watered-down sham of an sports league the NBA has become?

Riiiight...

CK

 

[bigdog1218]

you can sit there and tell me that fisher, horry, walker, madsen, Rick is a GOOD TEAM??

Well they could be good if kobe doesn't drop 36 and lose to the bulls, oops wait he had a good game though and lost to the bulls, its ok he had a good game, he's so good, he always gets his points.

And the Wizards beat the Magic, because larry hughes, brendon haywood, and Christian Laettner all dropped double digits. Not to mention stack dropping 31 and Jordan with only 23, he must suck only 23. Kobe got 36 he must be better.

What an all-star cast Jordan has, no wonder they win all the time.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: ed21x
MJ actually enhances his team, while Kobe is just a stats whore who would easily sacrifice his team to make himself look better. Don't we all remember what the laker's record was before Shaq came back?

exactly, ur the kind of moron i'm talking about. switch MJ in his prime on this laker team w/o shaq and I GUARANTEE you that the team would STILL have a losing record.

vice versa. take Kobe and put him on ANY of the Bulls championship teams and I can GUARANTEE you that the bulls would Still have had winning records w/ Kobe instead of MJ.

my point is IT'S A TEAM SPORT.

you can't just take shaq out and expect the lakers to do as well. sheesh.

So you're saying that an In-His-Prime MJ couldn't have led the Lakers to a record better than 3-9 to start the season without Shaq in this watered-down sham of an sports league the NBA has become?

Riiiight...

CK

Watered down?? OMG, the talent level is sooo much higher than it was during MJ's reign on the most watered down NBA in the history of the NBA. OMG are you completely blind to what is happening??

Nowitzki, Yao, Stoyo, . . . Foreign players are making this league BETTER than it has ever been for talent. Are you really foolish enough to believe that watered down nonsense?? The NBA was weak and diluted in from the late 80's till late 90's. a decade of expansion and watering down of talent pool. IF not for the importing of foreign players this league would be horribly watered down right now. but the talent level now is VERY high.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

you can sit there and tell me that fisher, horry, walker, madsen, Rick is a GOOD TEAM??

Well they could be good if kobe doesn't drop 36 and lose to the bulls, oops wait he had a good game though and lost to the bulls, its ok he had a good game, he's so good, he always gets his points.

And the Wizards beat the Magic, because larry hughes, brendon haywood, and Christian Laettner all dropped double digits. Not to mention stack dropping 31 and Jordan with only 23, he must suck only 23. Kobe got 36 he must be better.

What an all-star cast Jordan has, no wonder they win all the time.

let's see, Larry hughes still a potential superstar, stack a near superstar, laettner has always been and still is a decent player, don't even try and compare him to madsen. madsen even in his own dreams is not as good as laetner. oh ya, it's all mj. forget the talent that all the other people on that team have. it must be all MJ, just like it was with the bulls.

 

[ElFenix]

kobe sucks!