Kobe Bryant, much clutch, such shot, much amaze.

[positivedoppler]

On a night that the rest of the Lakers were shooting 48.5 percent, Kobe shot 20%

Kobe then goes on the miss the game winning shot and the Lakers goes down by 1. I saw this article afterwards
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....-game-winners-too/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

It's Jeremy Lin being very diplomatic complimenting Kobe Bryant "That guy is kind of the king of game-winners."


So how many game winning shot has Kobe hit in his career?
Here's a couple of articles I found
http://swishnba.com/2013/10/11/kobe-vs-lebron-whos-more-clutch/
http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-game-winning-shots/
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

 

[tential]

Why didn't Kobe go for fast break point? That was selfish as shiit holding the ball and forcing a timeout because "Only I take the last shot!"

 

[olds]

You miss the whole point of fourms. We can look this stuff up ourselves.
You should be posting a synopsis of the articles and then the links for those who have lots of time on their hands to read boring stuff.

 

[purbeast0]

yeah kobe is a beast in general. i am a kobe hater in general, but there is no denying that the dude is a beast at basketball and makes everyone around him better. i mean he just passed jordan in all time scoring, that has to mean he is amazing. he is extremely clutch too. it's kind of sad to see him on the decline because it's clear that he is quickly declining.

it's going to be an end of an era once he is out of the league. pretty commendable that he started on the lakers and is probably going to retire a laker. you just don't see that kind of stuff very often anymore with free agency and the money out there.

 

[JMapleton]

i mean he just passed jordan in all time scoring, that has to mean he is amazing.

It took him 4 seasons longer than Jordan though. Kobe is an all time great but he's not on Jordan's level.

Only Wilt, Russell, and Jordan are at the highest level of greatness in NBA history. Those who have achieved "Babe Ruth-esque" status. Kobe is in the second rung of all time greats with Magic, Bird, O'Neal, etc.

 

[Bman123]

The only reason kobe didn't retire was that stupid record. Yeah he scored more points then Jordan, it took 4 more years to beat it also.

He was a beast in his day, yes he has made a lot of clutch shots, but eventually a clutch wears out.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

yeah kobe is a beast in general. i am a kobe hater in general, but there is no denying that the dude is a beast at basketball and makes everyone around him better. i mean he just passed jordan in all time scoring, that has to mean he is amazing. he is extremely clutch too. it's kind of sad to see him on the decline because it's clear that he is quickly declining.

There is plenty of denying. The dude WAS a beast at basketball, but that was a long time ago and now he's a liability on the court. The only reason he's on the court at all is because the idiot Laker fans demand it. Anybody can score 30 if they shoot 100 times a game. Furthermore, his enormous ego and ball hogging makes everyone around him worse, not better. The team can't run a real offense with him on the floor, they just stand around while he jacks up off balance shots.

 

[rsbennett00]

You should edit the thread title, the implication is this is about racing, not basketball.

 

[positivedoppler]

I'm guessing nobody actually clicked on read the 3 links lol

 

[purbeast0]

i didn't read them, and i also didn't say kobe is on jordan's level because he scored more points than him. that doesn't mean kobe isn't one of the all time greats though. just not up there with the likes of jordan.

 

[deadlyapp]

i didn't read them, and i also didn't say kobe is on jordan's level because he scored more points than him. that doesn't mean kobe isn't one of the all time greats though. just not up there with the likes of jordan.

Lol if you had read the links you would have seen that Kobe is crap as far as clutch shots are concerned.

 

[jhbball]

The king of hero ball needs to retire. Lakers aren't going to win another championship with him on the roster.

 

[lupi]

without shaq kobe would be a better version of melo.

 

[zerocool84]

without shaq kobe would be a better version of melo.

If both Kobe and Shaq would have swallowed their pride, they could have won many more championship together.

 

[manly]

For whatever reasons, Jeremy Lin hasn't played well so he knows better than to openly criticize the Bean. Of course, the Harvard-educated Lin could just be sarcastically serving up a back-handed compliment.

It took him 4 seasons longer than Jordan though. Kobe is an all time great but he's not on Jordan's level.

Only Wilt, Russell, and Jordan are at the highest level of greatness in NBA history. Those who have achieved "Babe Ruth-esque" status. Kobe is in the second rung of all time greats with Magic, Bird, O'Neal, etc.

I think you forgot Kareem. I wouldn't put Abdul-Jabbar above MJ or Wilt in "all-time greatness," but his entire body of work speaks for itself. Before anybody gets their panties in a knot, Russell is no doubt the greatest champion ever. But that's as much credit to the Celtics dynasties than it is to his individual greatness.

The king of hero ball needs to retire. Lakers aren't going to win another championship with him on the roster.

I'm not a Kobe admirer, but he packs Staples Center and props up TV ratings. Ownership basically had no choice but to keep him, or else Time Warner Cable could've renegotiated their long term broadcast rights deal.

Looking at it that way, Kobe is easily worth $24M to the family business. From a purely basketball standpoint, he's worth no more than half that.

If both Kobe and Shaq would have swallowed their pride, they could have won many more championship together.

They literally hated each other by 2004, there's no way simply swallowing their pride was even tenable anymore. I actually supported management's decision to jettison Shaq at the time. Despite his horrible 2004 Finals performance, Kobe was clearly coming into his prime and Shaq was demanding $30M per year to show up to training camp fat and lazy. As it turned out, Shaq's work ethic was the first sign of his career's descent.

 

[manimal]

ultimately I dont think Kobe has the Knees left to be where he was before. Jordan was able to extend his career by taking that year off and healing up his body though he did screw up by bulking up for baseball.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I saw him in a hotel lobby a few years back. He was going the same speed as the rest of the team, but seemed to be walking slower. He's definitely a jerk when it comes to sportsmanship, but he is a good player. I respect him for making shots, but not for being a team player or nice opponent.

 

[Rakehellion]

I'm guessing nobody actually clicked on read the 3 links lol

You miss the whole point of fourms. We can look this stuff up ourselves.
You should be posting a synopsis of the articles and then the links for those who have lots of time on their hands to read boring stuff.

^^^

 

[tential]

I'm guessing nobody actually clicked on read the 3 links lol

How many people even actually watched this particular game...

 

[positivedoppler]

How many people even actually watched this particular game...

I don't know, but Kobe probably sold out another arena tonight with his dazzling 8/30 shooting and a mere 9 turnovers.

 

[smackababy]

Before anybody gets their panties in a knot, Russell is no doubt the greatest champion ever. But that's as much credit to the Celtics dynasties than it is to his individual greatness.

From what I've read, Russell was pretty much the reason the Celtics had that dynasty, and it wasn't due to his athletic ability.


The problem with Kobe, IMO, and why he couldn't surpass Jordan is he only has the physical abilities to be good a basketball. Jordan, and Russell, had a special kind of genius that let them not only adapt their games to win, but to see how to make others adapt to fit what was needed. Jordan was a big part of dictating who was on the Bulls, and that is why they ended up with so much success. And I think a big part of that was thanks to Detroit stomping them twice. The first series they forced Jordan to adapt to playing physical and get stronger. The second really exposed his weakness: his teammates. He molded Scotty in his image and got guys around him that could make the team successful. And, once those guys couldn't do what was needed, he had Phil replace them.

 

[manly]

From what I've read, Russell was pretty much the reason the Celtics had that dynasty, and it wasn't due to his athletic ability.

Russell played with plenty of Hall of Famers. The NBA had very little parity back in the old days. The Celtics had to get past Wilt and a bunch of Joes or the choking Lakers throughout their dynasty. Russell was no Wilt as a pure athlete but to discredit his athleticism like you just did is comical.

Russell is known for revolutionizing defense, so I probably underrate him in that regard. But offensively, he shot (a Kobe-esque) 44% for his career as a center. Sure you can't compare wildly different eras, but Russell and Wilt were basically contemporaries and even with all the additional shots Wilt took, he was 54% for his career. Yes, numbers aren't the whole story just as rings aren't the entire story. But I'll put Wilt above Russell in sheer greatness any day of the week.

Disclaimer: I didn't start watching the NBA until the 80s.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

As a Laker fan, Kobe is playing really really bad lately and should defer some shots...

 

[Insomniator]

The guy has literally nobody on his team. One night of them shooting 48% and him 20% is not a clear indicator of the entire season. Sure, he probably is shooting too much, but its not like the team has 15 wins if he shot 10 fewer times per game.

Even at 36, Kobe is the best player on that team. That should tell you something about how little talent they have.

 

[smackababy]

Russell played with plenty of Hall of Famers. The NBA had very little parity back in the old days. The Celtics had to get past Wilt and a bunch of Joes or the choking Lakers throughout their dynasty. Russell was no Wilt as a pure athlete but to discredit his athleticism like you just did is comical.

Russell is known for revolutionizing defense, so I probably underrate him in that regard. But offensively, he shot (a Kobe-esque) 44% for his career as a center. Sure you can't compare wildly different eras, but Russell and Wilt were basically contemporaries and even with all the additional shots Wilt took, he was 54% for his career. Yes, numbers aren't the whole story just as rings aren't the entire story. But I'll put Wilt above Russell in sheer greatness any day of the week.

Disclaimer: I didn't start watching the NBA until the 80s.

I didn't mean to discredit Russell's athleticism. Just to highlight his genius. Kobe is a pure athletic player, as far as I can tell. Russell was a player coach before he was a player coach, and he built that dynasty through that, not his own athletic ability.

Even stats wise, Russell doesn't stack up to some of the great centers. Unfortunately, they didn't record blocks or steals then, but his rebounding was his only great stat. And, this was in a time when being 6'10 215 at center wasn't a disadvantage. Russell was the greatest player of all time, but not the greatest center, if that makes sense. But, I think it is also that it isn't that Russell couldn't do everything and average 30 ppg, just that he understood how to build a team so he didn't have to. The only other player to even have anywhere close to that level of genius is Jordan.