Know of any vids on youtube that fly in the face of 9/11 'truthers' ??

[xj0hnx]

Just remember, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4s5ta_9-11-conspiracy-world-trade-center_news This is the sort of stuff that the conspiracy folk get off on. I kid you not, the conclusion of this video is "Because 9/11 was a conspiracy, it must mean the governments of the world were trying to create a giant super government!"

LOL@ 2:06 - 2:09 "missiles make mist", yea they fly right through skyscrapers, and hit ...nothing on the other side?

Whoever made that video should have put more thought into the actual theory instead of the "cool" production.

 

[airdata]

That experiment ignores so many factors that make thermite a bad theory it isn't even funny. The WTC collapsed at the point of impact, after being hit by planes, so how did these mystery contraptions survive not only the impact, but the fires too? It's just ridiculous when you actually put more than a minute of thought into it instead of getting information from Youtube.

My point is that debunkers have put out videos saying it doesn't work, and the video I posted shows a guy making it work. Whether or not thermite was used.. who knows. Maybe the people who found signs of it were mistaken.

Except there's absolutely no physical evidence of explosives to be found in any of the buildings rubble, including WTC 7.

You can always go watch the videos of witnesses and firemen talking about the explosions happening. Or the video where the firemen are telling people to get back because it's gonna blow or something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

My point is that debunkers have put out videos saying it doesn't work, and the video I posted shows a guy making it work. Whether or not thermite was used.. who knows. Maybe the people who found signs of it were mistaken.

The guy who makes it "work" has to go through all kinds of gyrations to get it to almost work. Nor does he test on steel that was the actual size of the steel used in the WTC building construction. In fact, what this guy does is prove that thermite/thermate could not have been used because there was no way for any of the thermite-planting ninjas to have the time to do what would have been necessary. iow, there's far more to it than simply stating it can be done. It has to feasible, and his method was not feasible.

You can always go watch the videos of witnesses and firemen talking about the explosions happening. Or the video where the firemen are telling people to get back because it's gonna blow or something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

Hearing something that sounds like an explosion does not make it an explosion. I have lived in Florida for years. When the Space Shuttle lands it creates a double sonic boom, which sounds just like an explosion. Fortunately many already know what we are hearing when a Space Shuttle lands or else all kinds of people would be calling the authorities claiming they heard a big explosion. Still, every time the Shuttle lands the police are still flooded with calls from people claiming they heard a big explosion. Go figure.

 

[Doppel]

911 turned the average guy who barely has a GED into a demolitions and building construction expert.

 

[xj0hnx]

You can always go watch the videos of witnesses and firemen talking about the explosions happening. Or the video where the firemen are telling people to get back because it's gonna blow or something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ5TajZYW6Y

"Explosions" =/= Explosives. A collapsing building, one that has multiple fires burning in it is going to make some sounds.

 

[airdata]

The guy who makes it "work" has to go through all kinds of gyrations to get it to almost work. Nor does he test on steel that was the actual size of the steel used in the WTC building construction. In fact, what this guy does is prove that thermite/thermate could not have been used because there was no way for any of the thermite-planting ninjas to have the time to do what would have been necessary. iow, there's far more to it than simply stating it can be done. It has to feasible, and his method was not feasible.

I didn't realize that video of somebody doing something now required re-inforcement to get people to understand they're actually doing what they're being video taped doing.

Dude in woods uses thermite to cut through steel. Fact, happening in video. Nothing else to say about it aside from the obvious notion that the dubunkers were lazy when they simply poured or painted on thermite and ignited it in open air.


No other conclusion drawn by me or asserted... Just that the video shows a guy proving that you can cut steel with thermite.

All of your other snide comments after the fact resemble the reaction of somebody with a guilty conscience when you confront them with things they'd rather not think about.

 

[xj0hnx]

I didn't realize that video of somebody doing something now required re-inforcement to get people to understand they're actually doing what they're being video taped doing.

Dude in woods uses thermite to cut through steel. Fact, happening in video. Nothing else to say about it aside from the obvious notion that the dubunkers were lazy when they simply poured or painted on thermite and ignited it in open air.


No other conclusion drawn by me or asserted... Just that the video shows a guy proving that you can cut steel with thermite.

All of your other snide comments after the fact resemble the reaction of somebody with a guilty conscience when you confront them with things they'd rather not think about.

Considering what he had to do to make it work, and it barely worked, the shear amount of thermite needed, along with the number, and size of the troughs needed to accomplish the job would render it useless, coupled with the fact that somebody would have noticed the huge cuts in the walls so the troughs, with enough thermite, could fit. There's also the inconvenient fact that the building collapsed at the point of impact, so these mysterious troughs would have had to survive the crash intact, and then sit for an hour on fire without setting off, and then magically ignite to cut the columns. It simply ridiculous, which is why no one bothered to go any further. When you apply even half a brain worth of thought into it you realize this.

If he wanted to get anywhere, he would have built his burner, and then ran his car into it with a bunch of fuel tanks on the front of it and shown it working after that, at least then it would have had some semblance to the event.

 

[Matt1970]

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Originally Posted by Cogman
What do you want as evidence?

Every single fire fighter would have to keep their mouths shut about anything suspicious that they found. would they even know what to look for? Also have you heard every report of every fire fighter? I'm certain many have suspicious things to report.

Every individual in the area would have to keep quite about the "explosions" that al believes went off. Many witness did hear explosions.

Every security guard, building inspector, and office attendant in the entire building would have had to keep quite about the people walking into the building prior to the collapse with the materials needed to take it down. (It would take a LONG time for someone to get enough materials into the building to take it down like is suggested). It would be a lot easier and make much more sense to just own the head of security. Hell even the head of security doesn't need to know anything because he answers to somebody too. A building that size requires continual maintenance every day of the week. workers coming in an out on a daily basis becomes background noise to the people that work there.

No, we have no hard evidence of how many people would be involved. What we have is common sense on how many people would HAVE to be involved. Pretty much every one of these conspiracy theories fail because they fail the logistics test. There is no factual basis , historical or otherwise that an operation requires explicit knowledge by all parties involved. The military operates on this principal as standard operating procedure. Need to know basis ring a bell?

Just remember, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4s...de-center_news This is the sort of stuff that the conspiracy folk get off on. I kid you not, the conclusion of this video is "Because 9/11 was a conspiracy, it must mean the governments of the world were trying to create a giant super government!"

dd
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Are you honestly going to tell me you think not even one single firefighter out of hundreds wouldn't recognize detonation cord or cut beams? All that rubble got scooped up in front of hundreds of witnesses and lots of cameras. Everyone was told to keep quiet about what they saw and they must have edited the news coverage.

Would they have noticed extra "maintenance" personal? Maybe no, but they surely would have noticed them busting through drywall on almost every level of the buildings to expose the beams. They also would have noticed them cutting holes in the beams, planting explosives and laying miles of detonation cord.


The security for all three towers would have to be involved. The workers laying the explosives and det cord, the air traffic controllers, the victims and families on the flights, the firefights, police, news, bystanders, and anyone else at ground zero are also involved. Now add all the military involved with firing a missile at the pentagon, the witnesses on the ground that saw the plane hit the Pentagon (oh wait, they aren’t being quiet), all the officials involved with putting the plan into action. ETC, ETC, ….

All those people have kept quiet for a decade now after being involved with killing 3000 of their own citizens all for Bush getting revenge on Saddam or for oil or for whatever. Ya, that makes sense to me.

 

[airdata]

Hey guys, we just killed bin laden.

Let's dump the body in the ocean!

Hey guys, the towers collapsed.

Let's ship all of the rubble to china!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Considering what he had to do to make it work, and it barely worked, the shear amount of thermite needed, along with the number, and size of the troughs needed to accomplish the job would render it useless, coupled with the fact that somebody would have noticed the huge cuts in the walls so the troughs, with enough thermite, could fit. There's also the inconvenient fact that the building collapsed at the point of impact, so these mysterious troughs would have had to survive the crash intact, and then sit for an hour on fire without setting off, and then magically ignite to cut the columns. It simply ridiculous, which is why no one bothered to go any further. When you apply even half a brain worth of thought into it you realize this.

If he wanted to get anywhere, he would have built his burner, and then ran his car into it with a bunch of fuel tanks on the front of it and shown it working after that, at least then it would have had some semblance to the event.

But you miss his most salient point.

It was a dude.

In the woods!

:awe:

 

[First]

Hey guys, we just killed bin laden.

Let's dump the body in the ocean!

Hey guys, the towers collapsed.

Let's ship all of the rubble to china!

lmao retard.

 

[BeauJangles]

A video that flies in the face of 9/11 truthers? No one video can do that, but this one comes close. Makes you realize how impossible it would have been for explosives to be pre-planted in specific locations or how impossible it would be for them to survive such an impact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOYpqG8yj0

I still believe that WT7 was brought down by us intentionally do to structural problems and was probably an insurance and or a more sinister scam. But I do not see why they hide that. The owner of the building gave an interview saying so.

There is literally a mountain of evidence against the whole "insurance scam" idea.

First, Silverstein originally UNDER insured the WTC by nearly fifty percent. It was only because his investors were worried about the potential liability that the plan was upped to the $4 billion number.

Second, if Silverstein wanted to collect his insurance money, why would he attack the buildings before the policy was technically in effect? He spent years in court fighting the insurance companies to get the original policy enforced.

Third, if he wanted to "cash in" why would he have insured the buildings for FAR less than the cost of rebuilding them? He was legally obligated to rebuild them if anything happened, yet his policy only covered 4 billion worth of damage. Even with his claim that each attack was separate (upping the payout to 7.5 billion or so), Silverstein still has not seen all that money and has been forced to take loans from the government to rebuild Ground Zero.

He's broke. 9/11 absolutely ruined him and destroyed his business. There is NO evidence that Silverstein had anything to do with the attacks and no reason he would have anything to do with them.

 

[BeauJangles]

Hey guys, we just killed bin laden.

Let's dump the body in the ocean!

Hey guys, the towers collapsed.

Let's ship all of the rubble to china!

Wow you've really got nothing.

 

[NeoV]

do you get better cell phone reception with your tin foil hat?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Are you honestly going to tell me you think not even one single firefighter out of hundreds wouldn't recognize detonation cord or cut beams? The steal beams were liquified what makes you think any detonation cord was left over?All that rubble got scooped up in front of hundreds of witnesses and lots of cameras. Everyone was told to keep quiet about what they saw and they must have edited the news coverage.

Would they have noticed extra "maintenance" personal? Maybe no, but they surely would have noticed them busting through drywall on almost every level of the buildings to expose the beams. With precise building schematics there wouldn't be a requirement to wrecklessly bust open wallsThey also would have noticed them cutting holes in the beams, planting explosives and laying miles of detonation cord. Again i'm not certain who "they" is supposed to be but activities could easily go unnoticed if the work was done off hours (nights and weekends)


The security for all three towers would have to be involved. why? As said before you only need own the head of security to own all of securityThe workers laying the explosives and det cordyes clearly they would be involved, the air traffic controllersI don't follow but then again your just making conclusive statements., the victims and families on the flightsNot debating that the plans hit the building so your changing the subject matter, the firefightsagain no debate there were firefighters and first responders., police, newsmedia is controlled already, we know this, bystandersnot following, and anyone else at ground zero are also involved.not following this conclusion Now add all the military involved with firing a missile at the pentagon,Changing subjects again. we were talking about towers in nyc the witnesses on the ground that saw the plane hit the Pentagon (oh wait, they aren’t being quiet), all the officials involved with putting the plan into action. ETC, ETC, ….

All those people have kept quiet for a decade now after being involved with killing 3000 of their own citizens all for Bush getting revenge on Saddam or for oil or for whatever. Ya, that makes sense to me.

dd

Again I'm not debating if the planes hit the towers or not. I'm pointing out that your arguments that this would require a vast conspiracy, thus far, have no merit.

 

[airdata]

But you miss his most salient point.

It was a dude.
In the woods!
:awe:

You must miss the whole point. If some random dude in the woods can do it, a highly skilled and funded team could do a much better job.

lmao retard.

ad hominem + low troll sensing capabilities...

A serious question though.

If the government had to make a split second decision on the following scenario, what would they do?

The towers are likely going to collapse and take out surrounding buildings and possibly increase the death toll.

We have the capability to help them fall in their foot print. Should we do it?

And let's just say for a minute (100% hypothetical ) that the government knowingly demolished the towers in order to prevent further damage etc... would they be forth coming about doing so?

They more than likely shot down flight 93 and yet decided to make up a story about it to get people all emo and what not.. Same as what happened w\ Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman. They created stories in place of the actual course of events.

 

[First]

You must miss the whole point. If some random dude in the woods can do it, a highly skilled and funded team could do a much better job.



ad hominem + low troll sensing capabilities...

A serious question though.

If the government had to make a split second decision on the following scenario, what would they do?

The towers are likely going to collapse and take out surrounding buildings and possibly increase the death toll.

We have the capability to help them fall in their foot print. Should we do it?

And let's just say for a minute (100% hypothetical ) that the government knowingly demolished the towers in order to prevent further damage etc... would they be forth coming about doing so?

They more than likely shot down flight 93 and yet decided to make up a story about it to get people all emo and what not.. Same as what happened w\ Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman. They created stories in place of the actual course of events.

Whether you believe one or the other is more likely isn't nearly as relevant as one simple question; where's the evidence? You don't have any, though, as you well know. The fact that you would believe any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories shows everyone you want to believe them, not that you believe them because of evidence.

So, yeah, lmao retard indeed.

 

[xj0hnx]

You must miss the whole point. If some random dude in the woods can do it, a highly skilled and funded team could do a much better job.

That's the problem though ...he didn't do it. He recreated a scenario where thermite could possibly burn a vertical column that wasn't similar to the actual columns. The whole thermite thing is simply retarded when you look at the actual incident, where the building collapsed, and how long it burned afterwards.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

You must miss the whole point. If some random dude in the woods can do it, a highly skilled and funded team could do a much better job.



ad hominem + low troll sensing capabilities...

A serious question though.

If the government had to make a split second decision on the following scenario, what would they do?

The towers are likely going to collapse and take out surrounding buildings and possibly increase the death toll.

We have the capability to help them fall in their foot print. Should we do it?

And let's just say for a minute (100% hypothetical ) that the government knowingly demolished the towers in order to prevent further damage etc... would they be forth coming about doing so?

They more than likely shot down flight 93 and yet decided to make up a story about it to get people all emo and what not.. Same as what happened w\ Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman. They created stories in place of the actual course of events.

Yeah... People involved in the Lynch/Tillman incidents came forward and now we know what happened. But nobody came forward in regards to Flt93? That many people involved (including the victims' family members) and nobody had a guilty conscience? They all just went along with it and kept to the story?

I hate injecting myself in these conversations because it only turns into a big circle jerk, but if you're going to hold the Tillman/Lynch incidents up as an example you're reaching.

In fact, the fact that we now DO know what really happened kind of wrecks your inference. For that matter, everything else the Bush Admin did and tried to keep secret wound up on the front pages of the NYT (renditions, etc). So Flt93 is the one thing they managed to keep quiet? And all the witnesses, all the people talking to their loved ones on the phone listening to their plan to take back the plane, all the interviews they've given... They were lying too? It's all made up?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You must miss the whole point. If some random dude in the woods can do it, a highly skilled and funded team could do a much better job.

You evade the entire point, a point I brought up earlier and which you attempted an end-run around.

You have no proof that this guy's method scales up to larger beams and columns. You have no idea if it would have worked in the Towers. You are making a huge assumption with absolutely no data to back up that assumption.

 

[BeauJangles]

You must miss the whole point. If some random dude in the woods can do it, a highly skilled and funded team could do a much better job.



ad hominem + low troll sensing capabilities...

A serious question though.

If the government had to make a split second decision on the following scenario, what would they do?

The towers are likely going to collapse and take out surrounding buildings and possibly increase the death toll.

We have the capability to help them fall in their foot print. Should we do it?

And let's just say for a minute (100% hypothetical ) that the government knowingly demolished the towers in order to prevent further damage etc... would they be forth coming about doing so?

They more than likely shot down flight 93 and yet decided to make up a story about it to get people all emo and what not.. Same as what happened w\ Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman. They created stories in place of the actual course of events.

Now the government saw the planes hit the towers, realized they were going to fall, and THEN rigged up explosives to take the whole thing down?

Man, considering nobody can provide a shred of evidence that explosives were even used in some sort of preset manner (hence the obsession over thermite), I hope you realize what kind of hole you're digging.

 

[airdata]

Jesus... I thought I was the one trollin in here.

And if you guys aren't trolling, may god have mercy on your soul.

Beaujangles : what part of Hypothetical did you not comprehend? LOL I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you're trolling me. I'm wondering if you even read my posts since your reply to my post has nothing to do with what I posted.

Try reading from start to finish and leave everything in the context it's presented. Then you will look a little more intelligent when you make your replies.

Tasteslikechicken : You have no point, I don't care about the size, just about the function. I'm sure that any "dubunking thermite" videos you find probably use the same sort of steel. It's irrelevant.

 

[Cogman]

Jesus... I thought I was the one trollin in here.

In other words, everyone can ignore everything airdata has to say on this matter. He is trolling.

 

[Number1]

Jesus... I thought I was the one trollin in here.

The only one trollin (sic) in here is you.

The good people are telling you you're an idiot.
They are explaining to you why you are an idiot.

You're not getting it.

You keep trowing in those ridiculous ideas expecting to have a reasoned discussion. There is nothing to talk about, you are insane.

You fit in the same category as your glorious leader Kylebism, the master twuther.

 

[BeauJangles]

Beaujangles : what part of Hypothetical did you not comprehend? LOL I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that maybe you're trolling me. I'm wondering if you even read my posts since your reply to my post has nothing to do with what I posted.

What you posted was an idiotic hypothetical scenario that has nothing to do with what happened. Meanwhile, you continue this absolutely silly argument that "thermite" was responsible. You know why? Because originally truthers said that explosives were responsible, but when no detonation cords, no explosives residue, and no evidence of a controlled demolition emerged, they moved to thermite because thermite was present at Ground Zero.

You have to continually twist, mold, and restructure your story to accommodate the little evidence that exists for your version of events. Worst is that you completely ignore the fact that no truther can construct a coherent timeline of events. None.