Know of any vids on youtube that fly in the face of 9/11 'truthers' ??

[TechBoyJK]

I've ran into some rampant truthers lately that keep saying "look at all the facts". It's annoying.

 

[rudder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTcHq5Tzk

 

[rudder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKZqqSI9-s

 

[Schadenfroh]

This guy usually does a pretty good job of debunking bullshit. The letters he receives from the crazies are awesome.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4054

 

[MotF Bane]

Give them a link to purchase a physics textbook. It'll take care of at least half of them, assuming they can read.

 

[airdata]

Here's a guy proving that thermite can cut steel. I know that the debunking people did experiments pouring the thermite which quickly burns. This single guy crafts simple containers that show it's possible to cut a steel beam w\ thermite. I have to assume that a team of scientists and engineers could do a much more efficient job than some random dude in the woods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYW-z7nrTZk

Donald Rumsfeld letting it slip that Flight 93 was shot down. Proving that the whole "America F YEAH!" story about the passengers fighting back and what not was most likely a fabrication just like the Jessica Lynch story and just like the Pat Tillman story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_uojEXJEEE&feature=fvst

Israeli nationals arrested on 9-11 after being seen filming and dancing. 1:40 "Our purpose was to document 'The Event' "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw


Who is crazier? People who speculate as to what could have happened? Or people who believe "official stories" which have been proven time and time again to be complete fabrications?

 

[TechBoyJK]

The idea that terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into towers is a complete fabrication? I know people that live in NYC that are pretty sure that wasn't fabricated.

 

[rudder]

The idea that terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into towers is a complete fabrication? I know people that live in NYC that are pretty sure that wasn't fabricated.

That is why I posted those links. To any person... having a plane strike the world trade center towers is enough. I don't think the U.S. would have reacted any differently had the towers been able to withstand two 200,000 pound kerosene bombs traveling at very high speeds hitting them.

 

[airdata]

The idea that terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into towers is a complete fabrication? I know people that live in NYC that are pretty sure that wasn't fabricated.

*sigh*

Attention... this is the context police !

I didn't say anything about the planes. I saw the video... I'm just saying that the government puts together a half-assed "commission" and don't fully investigate or even attempt to answer the many questions that remain after the fact.

I don't really care that they shot down flight 93.. probably a tough call to make. But what good is it to lie about the event?

Maybe I just have trust issues and find it hard to believe what people say when you don't know if they're just lying again.

 

[thraashman]

I used to work with a truther. It doesn't matter what you show them, they won't believe. They're as bad as birthers, but unfortunately there's no birth certificate you can eventually show them to shut them up (though I guess that didn't work fully anyway).

 

[TechBoyJK]

*sigh*

Attention... this is the context police !

I didn't say anything about the planes. I saw the video... I'm just saying that the government puts together a half-assed "commission" and don't fully investigate or even attempt to answer the many questions that remain after the fact.

I don't really care that they shot down flight 93.. probably a tough call to make. But what good is it to lie about the event?

Maybe I just have trust issues and find it hard to believe what people say when you don't know if they're just lying again.

Ok, that I understand.

I don't trust the government, but what bothers me is when people assert that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, that it's not the planes that exploded but pre-rigged bombs, etc.

I think we were attacked, end of story.

 

[airdata]

I used to work with a truther. It doesn't matter what you show them, they won't believe. They're as bad as birthers, but unfortunately there's no birth certificate you can eventually show them to shut them up (though I guess that didn't work fully anyway).

That certificate was shopped !

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The problem with birthers/truthers/deathers is that they need no evidence in order to categorically reject yours. All they need to do is believe their nonsense. From there you are fighting a losing battle that will never end.

 

[Macamus Prime]

The fact that there are Americans who feel and beleive their government would orchastrate such a vile act proves that there are some pretty fucking stupid Americans.

Next thing you know, some of them will rage over a rainbow in their back yard and attribute it to us damaging the envi,... oh, wait - nm.

 

[airdata]

The fact that there are Americans who feel and beleive their government would orchastrate such a vile act proves that there are some pretty fucking stupid Americans.

The government has a history of deception to meet it's goals. Were there any WMD in Iraq? Who knows. But today we know that all of the so called " intel " was a lie, and they knew that when the evidence was presented. And yet we're still occupying iraq who we went to war with over lies.

And here is some more distant history documenting the government's willingness to lie and engage in "false flag" attacks.

"We could blow up a us ship and blame it on cuba"

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident

The American commitment to the war against Vietnam, which killed over 50,000 U.S. military personnel, and probably over 2 million Vietnamese civilians, was cemented by an incident that appears to involve more fiction than fact.
In the Gulf of Tonkin incident, North Vietnamese torpedo boats supposedly attacked the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin, off Vietnam, in a pair of assaults on August 2 and 4 of 1964. It was the basis for the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which committed major American forces to the war in Vietnam. The resolution passed the House of Representatives unanimously, and passed in the Senate with only two dissenting votes.



On December 1, 2005, the National Security Agency released hundreds of pages of previously-classified documents relating to the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident. The collection included a 2001 article by agency historian Robert J. Hanyok, which examines numerous reports indicating that the alleged attack never happened.

 

[gevorg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QukKjwLtI

 

[Nintendesert]

This is what's wrong with these idiot conspiracy theorists, if the government EVER lied, even once. Then they are lying this time too and in any way to suit their conspiracy nut case. These "truther" idiots are as bad as the moon hoax fools and every other conspiracy nut person out there. It takes a mental leap by mental midgets to believe this shit.

 

[First]

Mostly common sense and a basic education in physics. There are several threads here where the resident Truther nuts get schooled pretty badly in common sense and High School physics. It's an entertaining read. Here's a few good ones:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=329108
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2089947
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=210660

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Here's a guy proving that thermite can cut steel. I know that the debunking people did experiments pouring the thermite which quickly burns. This single guy crafts simple containers that show it's possible to cut a steel beam w\ thermite. I have to assume that a team of scientists and engineers could do a much more efficient job than some random dude in the woods.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYW-z7nrTZk

Donald Rumsfeld letting it slip that Flight 93 was shot down. Proving that the whole "America F YEAH!" story about the passengers fighting back and what not was most likely a fabrication just like the Jessica Lynch story and just like the Pat Tillman story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_uojEXJEEE&feature=fvst

Israeli nationals arrested on 9-11 after being seen filming and dancing. 1:40 "Our purpose was to document 'The Event' "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw


Who is crazier? People who speculate as to what could have happened? Or people who believe "official stories" which have been proven time and time again to be complete fabrications?

Uhhh...it really sounds like Rumsfeld was just looking for a verb there.

 

[Sinsear]

The idea that terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into towers is a complete fabrication? I know people that live in NYC that are pretty sure that wasn't fabricated.

No kidding. I have a good friend who was in tower 2 and got out, and a good friend who lost his father in tower 1. Tell them it was fabricated. About the only thing lower class than a Truther is.......can't think of anything.

 

[airdata]

lol.

poster a makes post.

poster b takes the word "fabrication" out of context from poster a's post.

poster c comes along and replies to poster b without reading anything else in the thread.

poster a bumps the thread as he lol's at the idiots who call other people idiots.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Uhhh...it really sounds like Rumsfeld was just looking for a verb there.

See.. here's the thing. I COULD see the government covering up shooting the plane down even when they had no choice but to shoot it down or watch it fly into something. I CANT see the government actually putting the planes in the air and sending them into buildings.

 

[airdata]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRqeJcuK-A

9-10-2001 Donald Rumsfeld in congress talking about $2.3 Trillion dollars being missing. ( these were the days when 2.3 Trillion was a gigantic number. After the bailouts... who cares about 2.3T?)

 

[First]

^ Holy shit you're slow.

 

[0roo0roo]

yup waste of breath, the folks who cling to ct aren't playing the same game you are. you cant convince them with evidence.