Knife attack on CA GOP candidate

[UNCjigga]

Because no one truly believes that democrats will stop calling republicans racist no matter how things change. The charge of racism isn't deployed impartially or with any appreciation of how ambiguous its definition has become, but rather simply as invective; as a means to tell people "agree with me or shut up."

Really? Things change all the time. Don't the righties love pointing out when Democrats were the racists a few decades ago, and Republicans were freeing slaves a few centuries ago? Policies can change, and the attitudes of the public can shift. Repubs just need to stop pandering to the worst people.

 

[Jaskalas]

Again: maybe stop poking the bear? It's all well and good to blame the perpetrator for making the decision to turn to violence, but I will never have sympathy for the victim who has spent who knows how long inciting that very violence against themselves.

Oh, is that how this works? By the repeated shootings / stabbings against the GOP, Democrats might beware poking the bear. Violence begets violence. We haven't even begun to spin this cycle up, but one we start it'd be a hell of a lot more difficult to pull it back and stop.

 

[Atreus21]

Maybe if Republicans didn't want to be called racist they shouldn't nominate, elect, and overwhelmingly approve of someone who has been very publicly racist for his entire life.

You guys have no issues with racists provided they've pledged allegiance to the right god.

It is not Democrats' fault that Republicans are called racists. It is Republicans' fault. I don't know why conservatives are so allergic to personal responsibility, own the fact that your movement attracts racists and then maybe change your movement so it doesn't.

It's not republicans' fault that democrats call them fascists, nazis and racists? If I call you whatever nasty name I can think of, is it your responsibility to prove me wrong?

Don't be ridiculous. Your movement attracts just as much racists as ours, and your movement broadcasts its racism without apology.

 

[Vic]

You guys have no issues with racists provided they've pledged allegiance to the right god.



It's not republicans' fault that democrats call them fascists, nazis and racists? If I call you whatever nasty name I can think of, is it your responsibility to prove me wrong?

Don't be ridiculous. Your movement attracts just as much racists as ours, and your movement broadcasts its racism without apology.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/

Byrd was in the KKK for less than a year when he was around 20 years old, left it and then spent the rest of his life fighting racism.
Do some simple fact checking.

The "movement" of liberalism is based on the belief that all persons are created equal (see 2nd paragraph of Declaration of Independence).
Racism is the belief that some accident of one's birth makes them superior to others.
Surely you can see the conflict.

 

[Atreus21]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/

Don't see your point. That's his official Senate photograph.

He was a former KKK member and longtime Senator. Does anyone labor under the delusion that his renouncing his leadership in the organization would carry any weight had he been a Republican?

 

[fskimospy]

You guys have no issues with racists provided they've pledged allegiance to the right god.

You know it's bad when the person you need to reach for to try and #bothsides this not only repudiated his racist past but has been dead for almost a decade.

Republicans on the other hand support an unapologetic racist today, as we speak. They don't just support him, they support him overwhelmingly. They also don't support him in spite of his racism, it was exactly his racism that got him on the political map to begin with.

It's not republicans' fault that democrats call them fascists, nazis and racists? If I call you whatever nasty name I can think of, is it your responsibility to prove me wrong?

You don't have to do anything you don't want to. When people talk about the Republican Party being the party that racists and Nazis identify with it's because it's objectively true. Don't take my word for it, the KKK and American neo-Nazi groups will quite gladly tell you how much they like the Republican Party and how much they hate the Democrats. Do you ever stop and wonder why it is that they are such huge fans of your political party?

Don't be ridiculous. Your movement attracts just as much racists as ours, and your movement broadcasts its racism without apology.

Nope! You're projecting, thinking that other political parties must be as awful as yours. They aren't, and you can do better.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...t-sentiments/537A8ABA46783791BFF4E2E36B90C0BE

Based on a sample of the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Survey, our analyses suggest that a Trump vote cannot be explained by a lack of trust in politics or low levels of satisfaction with democracy, as would be assumed given the extant literature on protest voting. However, indicators of racist resentment and anti-immigrant sentiments proved to be important determinants of a Trump vote—even when controlling for more traditional vote-choice determinants.

The more racist you are, the more likely you are to vote Republican. If you really view a political party broadcasting its racism without apology as a bad thing I would recommend you never vote for a Republican again.

 

[ivwshane]

Don't see your point. That's his official Senate photograph.

He was a former KKK member and longtime Senator. Does anyone labor under the delusion that his renouncing his leadership in the organization would carry any weight had he been a Republican?

I think the terms sheep and parrot apply here. Too bad you aren't capable of an original thought.

Senator Byrd was indeed a member of the KKK; this is not a Breitbart/alt-right conspiracy. In fact, even worse, he was a recruiter for the KKK in his early twenties. He was credited with bringing in 150 new members.

But here’s what matters: he apologized. He spent decades apologizing again and again. Not once did he ever blame the media (as Trump and his supporters are wont to do) or anyone else for his mistake. He took full responsibility.

It’s also important to note that Senator Byrd wasn’t free from mistakes after he left the KKK. In 1964, he filibustered the Civil Rights Act in the Senate and then voted against it. During a 2001 interview with the late Tony Snow, he used the term “white ni***rs” twice.

Just as he had spent decades apologizing for his membership and position in the KKK, Senator Byrd repeatedly apologized for these undeniably offensive moments.

Senator Robert Byrd represented West Virginia in the United States Senate from 1959 until his death in 2010. Few would dispute that Senator Byrd had an illustrious career in the Senate. He was, for many years, the chairman of the all-powerful Senate Appropriations committee. As the institution’s longest-serving member, he was the dean of the Senate and president pro tem of the Senate, which meant he was third in line to the presidency.

And as the Senate historian and parliamentarian, he was a mentor to many younger senators. Regardless of party, one of the first things a freshman senator would do was meet with Senator Byrd, who would freely dole out advice and counsel and wave a copy of his trusty pocket constitution.

He was respected and loved by his colleagues on both sides of the aisle.

After Senator Byrd passed away in 2010, tributes from members of both parties poured in (including Trump’s leading US Senate supporter, Senator Jeff Sessions), and almost all of them made mention of the senator’s dark past and the reconciliation he worked so hard on. The sweeping under the rug that usually takes place when someone dies was clearly absent in the tributes to Senator Byrd’s life.

But two tributes to Senator Byrd’s legacy stand out.

In remarks given at his memorial in West Virginia, President Obama said, “Robert Byrd possessed that quintessential American quality—and that is the capacity to change, the capacity to learn, the capacity to listen.”

But perhaps the most remarkable tribute came from the NAACP. In years prior, Senator Byrd received a 100% rating from the NAACP for his pro-civil rights voting record. In a statement, the group’s then-president, Ben Jealous, said:

“Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation. Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.”

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11987814

 

[brycejones]

Meh. It's obvious that a lot of Republicans are struggling to walk back being proud to be a deplorable. How dare Democrats call them deplorable after they said they were proud to be deplorable!

The only reason they become racists is because they were told they were being racist when they were racist and their feels were hurt so they had to join the klan.


So say deplorable on this very forum.

 

[Vic]

Don't see your point. That's his official Senate photograph.

He was a former KKK member and longtime Senator. Does anyone labor under the delusion that his renouncing his leadership in the organization would carry any weight had he been a Republican?

I'm not going to argue against your brainwashing. Instead, I'll go after your logic. If the actions and beliefs of just one single liberal, regardless of how radical, extreme, or illiberal, are emblematic of all that is liberalism, as you keep saying throughout this thread, then why does the same not apply to conservatives?

 

[Paratus]

You guys have no issues with racists provided they've pledged allegiance to the right god.



It's not republicans' fault that democrats call them fascists, nazis and racists? If I call you whatever nasty name I can think of, is it your responsibility to prove me wrong?

Don't be ridiculous. Your movement attracts just as much racists as ours, and your movement broadcasts its racism without apology.

Look Atreus you’ve claimed many times on here you are a single issue voter.

The Dems believe everyone is equal under the law. They will obviously never support your single issue of removing 13th and14th amendment protections (due process, equal treatment, no slavery) from pregnant women to protect the fetuses you yourself willingly discard every month.

The Democrats/Dixiecrat racists and misogynistis of the past might have supported what you want, but today they have their home in the GOP. The GOP as you already know is the only party for you.

That party selects racists, fascists, alleged pedophiles, Nazis, and sexual assaulters to run for office. Those are in fact the only people who would willingly change the laws to allow the enslavement of pregnant women.

So maybe you are telling yourself both sides are bad and you made the ‘moral’ choice to support the GOP but the fact is, the company you keep is a reflection of the crusade you’ve chosen.

 

[kage69]

Look Atreus you’ve claimed many times on here you are a single issue voter.

The Dems believe everyone is equal under the law. They will obviously never support your single issue of removing 13th and14th amendment protections (due process, equal treatment, no slavery) from pregnant women to protect the fetuses you yourself willingly discard every month.

The Democrats/Dixiecrat racists and misogynistis of the past might have supported what you want, but today they have their home in the GOP. The GOP as you already know is the only party for you.

That party selects racists, fascists, alleged pedophiles, Nazis, and sexual assaulters to run for office. Those are in fact the only people who would willingly change the laws to allow the enslavement of pregnant women.

So maybe you are telling yourself both sides are bad and you made the ‘moral’ choice to support the GOP but the fact is, the company you keep is a reflection of the crusade you’ve chosen.

Ippon!

 

[cytg111]

No further questions. Just cynicism. Become a democrat or don't complain when people try to stab you. Brilliant.

Disqualified for being a douche.
It was going so well wasnt it;

zin
" I don't want to see these guys get stabbed or shot, but a wise man might accept that they really need to stop poking the bear. "

you
"So the GOP is partly to blame for this?"

Your own fucking words.. PARTLY, and then when you get the post you've been waiting for you jump to the binary black white bullshit that you just posted there.
Your own fucking words and then you just cant help yourself and go shitpost prematurely. Good job. Bad actor.

 

[Atreus21]

You know it's bad when the person you need to reach for to try and #bothsides this not only repudiated his racist past but has been dead for almost a decade.

And was also the longest serving senator in history, and once held a leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan. Can Trump compete with that?

Look me in the eye and tell me that you'd accept any repudiation of that if the man had an R after his name.

Republicans on the other hand support an unapologetic racist today, as we speak. They don't just support him, they support him overwhelmingly. They also don't support him in spite of his racism, it was exactly his racism that got him on the political map to begin with.

So you think if he'd just put on a klan hood, he'd have been enjoyed even more enthusiastic support?

Democrats have so diluted the racism accusation that it can mean almost literally anything. I think perhaps we'd better nail down some reasonably tangible definition of racism.

For me, it's simply prejudice that is informed by a person's race, or skin color. Democrats are far more willing to make such prejudgments these days than republicans are. If you're white, you're privileged. If you're black, you're oppressed. Simple as that.

You don't have to do anything you don't want to. When people talk about the Republican Party being the party that racists and Nazis identify with it's because it's objectively true. Don't take my word for it, the KKK and American neo-Nazi groups will quite gladly tell you how much they like the Republican Party and how much they hate the Democrats. Do you ever stop and wonder why it is that they are such huge fans of your political party?

Probably because Republicans aren't willing to read racism first and foremost into every incident involving people of different races, no matter the facts.

Nope! You're projecting, thinking that other political parties must be as awful as yours. They aren't, and you can do better.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...t-sentiments/537A8ABA46783791BFF4E2E36B90C0BE
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...t-sentiments/537A8ABA46783791BFF4E2E36B90C0BE

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...t-sentiments/537A8ABA46783791BFF4E2E36B90C0BE

On the contrary, obviously I think the democrats are worse than republicans. Otherwise I'd join the democrats. I don't think the country is 25% as racist as democrats insist it is.

The more racist you are, the more likely you are to vote Republican. If you really view a political party broadcasting its racism without apology as a bad thing I would recommend you never vote for a Republican again.

The more you deny the Holodomor, or that Mao killed 50 million people, the more likely you are to vote democrat. Both parties have bad apples on the fringes.

 

[cytg111]

The more you deny the Holodomor, or that Mao killed 50 million people, the more likely you are to vote democrat. Both parties have bad apples on the fringes.

- What? What? What? Did I miss the /sarcasm tag? Anyway, as Trump party is pro Putin I Imagine you will find your Holodomor deniers in THAT camp rather than dems.

 

[fskimospy]

And was also the longest serving senator in history, and once held a leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan. Can Trump compete with that?

Look me in the eye and tell me that you'd accept any repudiation of that if the man had an R after his name.

Of course I would, what kind of crazed partisan wouldn’t? I would hope you aren’t that super partisan either but from the rest of your post it appears the letter after his name has clouded your thinking.

So you think if he'd just put on a klan hood, he'd have been enjoyed even more enthusiastic support?

Huh? Stop dodging. We all agree Trump is an unapologetic racist, correct? Republicans support this guy today, right now. You don’t deny this, right?

Democrats have so diluted the racism accusation that it can mean almost literally anything. I think perhaps we'd better nail down some reasonably tangible definition of racism.

For me, it's simply prejudice that is informed by a person's race, or skin color. Democrats are far more willing to make such prejudgments these days than republicans are. If you're white, you're privileged. If you're black, you're oppressed. Simple as that.

Recognizing that racial privilege exists is accepting reality, not racism. Your definition is ridiculous and super partisan. It seems like learning your political party is home to a lot of racism has made you angry.

Probably because Republicans aren't willing to read racism first and foremost into every incident involving people of different races, no matter the facts.

Wait, you think the white supremacists preaching the oncoming race war prefer republicans because they aren’t as concerned with race?

Hahahaha. That’s amazing. Think about that for a minute.

On the contrary, obviously I think the democrats are worse than republicans. Otherwise I'd join the democrats. I don't think the country is 25% as racist as democrats insist it is.

The more you deny the Holodomor, or that Mao killed 50 million people, the more likely you are to vote democrat. Both parties have bad apples on the fringes.

You didn’t read the piece, it’s not talking about fringe groups. This is another bad attempt at #bothsides. If you would like more literature about how Republicans are more racist I’ll be happy to provide it. How much more would you like?

 

[Jhhnn]

Atreus is up on his white charger for the Gish gallop all over the place, huh? Robert Byrd? Really? He'll be screaming about the birth certificate, Benghazi & lock her up before it's over.

 

[brycejones]

Atreus is up on his white charger for the Gish gallop all over the place, huh? Robert Byrd? Really? He'll be screaming about the birth certificate, Benghazi & lock her up before it's over.

Its like watching an even more moronic version of Trump post.

 

[Incorruptible]

I'm not going to argue against your brainwashing. Instead, I'll go after your logic. If the actions and beliefs of just one single liberal, regardless of how radical, extreme, or illiberal, are emblematic of all that is liberalism, as you keep saying throughout this thread, then why does the same not apply to conservatives?

Maybe because liberals believe in collectivism and judge people not as individuals but based on groups.

 

[brycejones]

Maybe because liberals believe in collectivism and judge people not as individuals but based on groups.

Says the guy collectively judging liberals. Fuck you're dumb.

 

[cytg111]

Maybe because liberals believe in collectivism and judge people not as individuals but based on groups.

This is how the right take your money.

 

[Incorruptible]

Says the guy collectively judging liberals. Fuck you're dumb.

You must have been a result of a failed abortion, liberals believe in judging others based on groups but if I use their own ideas against them that's bad?

 

[Jhhnn]

Maybe because liberals believe in collectivism and judge people not as individuals but based on groups.

When you have to claim Libs are collectivists you're desperately out in the weeds.

 

[cytg111]

You must have been a result of a failed abortion, liberals believe in judging others based on groups but if I use their own ideas against them that's bad?

We only judge nazis kkks and bigots... Do you feel judged dude? On how many counts?

 

[zinfamous]

You guys have no issues with racists provided they've pledged allegiance to the right god.



It's not republicans' fault that democrats call them fascists, nazis and racists? If I call you whatever nasty name I can think of, is it your responsibility to prove me wrong?

Don't be ridiculous. Your movement attracts just as much racists as ours, and your movement broadcasts its racism without apology.

lullllllzzz. ROBERT BYRD ROBERT BYRD ROBERT BYRD>

god damn idiot's paradise this is. Enjoy your head, fool.

 

[zinfamous]

Don't see your point. That's his official Senate photograph.

He was a former KKK member and longtime Senator. Does anyone labor under the delusion that his renouncing his leadership in the organization would carry any weight had he been a Republican?

Read.

Numbskull. Give one shit about the arguments that you are trying to make, and you will cease to be a brainless, moronic slave to GOP-fed agitprop. It works in their favor that you are an unquestioning illiterlate fool, and is why the "Robert Byrd card" works so easily for you.

but hey, learn how to read. Do you know what a book is? Start there. You would cease to be a pawn of the monied class that wants your vote and your life, and eventually start to think rationally. Imagine how your world will open up at that point.