'Kinsey' draws ire

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Variety

Posted: Wed., Nov. 10, 2004, 8:24pm PT


'Kinsey' draws ire


Conservatives take aim at sex biopic


By DIANE GARRETT



Conservatives hope to put a deep freeze on Fox Searchlight's sexually frank "Kinsey" biopic.


Two days before its limited debut, conservative groups outlined plans to protest the biopic about Alfred Kinsey on the grounds it glorifies the sex researcher they consider responsible for AIDS and the sexual revolution.


One, the director of Concerned Women for America's Culture and Family Institute, even went so far as to compare Kinsey to Dr. Josef Mengele or "your average Hollywood horror-flick mad scientist."


Fox Searchlight marketing prexy Nancy Utley couldn't help but see the parallels between the protests Kinsey endured, quoting one of his lines in the movie: "The forces of chastity are amassing once again."


She added: "The fact there are protests plays to the relevance of the movie today."


She said the studio was not surprised by the protests and in fact had been bracing for them as early as the Toronto Film Festival.


"It doesn't scare us," she said. "It was just a matter of when it would hit. It makes perfect sense it would hit the movie when it is opening."


"Kinsey" debuts on five screens in New York and Los Angeles Friday, then 15 cities on 35 screens the following week. "The goal is 500-plus by Christmas, so it's a pretty slow rollout," Utley said.


The Generation Life, a college group, said it plans to picket the theaters showing the film and hand out anti-Kinsey pamphlets, but it's not immediately clear where that might occur. Brandi Swindell, head of the org, is based in Boise, Idaho.


She said the goal was to discourage moviegoers from watching the film, at least until they do their own research. Swindell has accused the film of "sugarcoating the issue," saying there would be more negative information about his legacy "if it were a true documentary." The movie does not claim to be.


Conservative critics also contend the movie omits details about the researcher's interest in pedophilia and that it exaggerates the accuracy of studies conducted between 1948 to 1953.


"I don't think it's a whitewash at all," Utley said, who praised writer-helmer Bill Condon for showing the man, warts and all.


"We're not here to defend Kinsey to them; we're here to get the movie out."


Utley was due to leave Thursday morning for Bloomington, Ind., for a screening to 3,500 at Indiana U., where the Kinsey Institute is headquartered. She said she'd be interested to see the reaction. After all, "it's Kinsey country, but it is Indiana."

 

[Infohawk]

If they're going to whine about this then they'd better not be whining about Saving Private Ryan. Which one is it hicks? Do you like Hollywood or not?

 

[DealMonkey]

Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
If they're going to whine about this then they'd better not be whining about Saving Private Ryan. Which one is it hicks? Do you like Hollywood or not?

There is a significant difference. Both Kinsey's work and SPR are fiction. One was portrayed as fact.

Personally, I'm surprised anyone considered showing SPR on TV.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Infohawk
If they're going to whine about this then they'd better not be whining about Saving Private Ryan. Which one is it hicks? Do you like Hollywood or not?

There is a significant difference. Both Kinsey's work and SPR are fiction. One was portrayed as fact.

Personally, I'm surprised anyone considered showing SPR on TV.

Why? It's only one of the greatest movies of all time. If Saving Private Ryan isn't deserving of being shown on TV, then nothing is.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

The good news is they're so predictable. The best thing can happen to controversial material is to draw the attention of those self-righteous busybodies. It means this film will get a lot of free publicity and attention it wouldn't have otherwise. By once again cramming their repressions down everyone else's throats, they sabotage themselves.

See my .sig

 

[Isla]

So, are they going to go after the porn industry?

I'd love to see the reaction of all the porn lovers who voted Bush in for a second term when the Moral Majority starts cracking down on that.

 

[illustri]

motorcycle diaries

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Infohawk
If they're going to whine about this then they'd better not be whining about Saving Private Ryan. Which one is it hicks? Do you like Hollywood or not?

There is a significant difference. Both Kinsey's work and SPR are fiction. One was portrayed as fact.

Personally, I'm surprised anyone considered showing SPR on TV.

Why? It's only one of the greatest movies of all time. If Saving Private Ryan isn't deserving of being shown on TV, then nothing is.

Color me crazy, but I personally don't feel SPR is one of the greatest movies of all time.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Infohawk
If they're going to whine about this then they'd better not be whining about Saving Private Ryan. Which one is it hicks? Do you like Hollywood or not?

There is a significant difference. Both Kinsey's work and SPR are fiction. One was portrayed as fact.

Personally, I'm surprised anyone considered showing SPR on TV.

Why? It's only one of the greatest movies of all time. If Saving Private Ryan isn't deserving of being shown on TV, then nothing is.

Color me crazy, but I personally don't feel SPR is one of the greatest movies of all time.

For that, you need to watch Band of Brothers. Best war movie/mini-series of all time.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The "Concerned Women for America's Culture and Family Institute" gets a big <^>:|<^> from me. I'm sick and tired of the Puritanism that permeates this country - as far as I can see these kinds of groups exist only to dumb down free expression to cater to the lowest, most impressionable denominator. This film is meant for adults, not children, and I don't want to waste this country's creativity by bringing everything down to the level of Little House on the Prairie.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: SViscusi
Why? It's only one of the greatest movies of all time. If Saving Private Ryan isn't deserving of being shown on TV, then nothing is.

I own the movie and agree that it is amazing. However, the extreme violence and gore would make many networks/viewers hesitate. I don't know FCC regulations, but I would assume there is something regarding this kind of violence in there somewhere.

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

The good news is they're so predictable. The best thing can happen to controversial material is to draw the attention of those self-righteous busybodies. It means this film will get a lot of free publicity and attention it wouldn't have otherwise. By once again cramming their repressions down everyone else's throats, they sabotage themselves.

See my .sig

Wow bowfinger classy post. Let's follow your train of thought...

As opposed to liberals, who aren't ashamed of their children buggering. www.nambla.org

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

The good news is they're so predictable. The best thing can happen to controversial material is to draw the attention of those self-righteous busybodies. It means this film will get a lot of free publicity and attention it wouldn't have otherwise. By once again cramming their repressions down everyone else's throats, they sabotage themselves.

See my .sig

Wow bowfinger classy post. Let's follow your train of thought...

As opposed to liberals, who aren't ashamed of their children buggering. www.nambla.org

I'm wondering which puritans Bowfinger knows that get their jollies with livestock and children...

CsG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

The good news is they're so predictable. The best thing can happen to controversial material is to draw the attention of those self-righteous busybodies. It means this film will get a lot of free publicity and attention it wouldn't have otherwise. By once again cramming their repressions down everyone else's throats, they sabotage themselves.

See my .sig

Wow bowfinger classy post. Let's follow your train of thought...

As opposed to liberals, who aren't ashamed of their children buggering. www.nambla.org

I'm wondering which puritans Bowfinger knows that get their jollies with livestock and children...

CsG

I see neither of you has found a fix for your reading comprehension impairment. You won't look so foolish when attacking others if you make some attempt to understand what they're saying. It's called hyperbole, exaggeration, poetic license. Sorry, I don't know how to explain it without multi-syllable words.

The point is that time and again, the most vocal, most self-righteous, self-professed guardians of others' morality are the same ones that pop up in the most lurid scandals. It's called hypocrisy, and while I'm not inclined to go look up the verse(s) at the moment, I seem to remember the Bible having a word to say about hypocrites.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Infohawk
If they're going to whine about this then they'd better not be whining about Saving Private Ryan. Which one is it hicks? Do you like Hollywood or not?

There is a significant difference. Both Kinsey's work and SPR are fiction. One was portrayed as fact.

Personally, I'm surprised anyone considered showing SPR on TV.

Why? It's only one of the greatest movies of all time. If Saving Private Ryan isn't deserving of being shown on TV, then nothing is.

Color me crazy, but I personally don't feel SPR is one of the greatest movies of all time.

Well that's your opinion but it's an Oscar nominated film and it's ranked #59 on IMDB.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

The good news is they're so predictable. The best thing can happen to controversial material is to draw the attention of those self-righteous busybodies. It means this film will get a lot of free publicity and attention it wouldn't have otherwise. By once again cramming their repressions down everyone else's throats, they sabotage themselves.

See my .sig

Wow bowfinger classy post. Let's follow your train of thought...

As opposed to liberals, who aren't ashamed of their children buggering. www.nambla.org

I'm wondering which puritans Bowfinger knows that get their jollies with livestock and children...

CsG

I see neither of you has found a fix for your reading comprehension impairment. You won't look so foolish when attacking others if you make some attempt to understand what they're saying. It's called hyperbole, exaggeration, poetic license. Sorry, I don't know how to explain it without multi-syllable words.

The point is that time and again, the most vocal, most self-righteous, self-professed guardians of others' morality are the same ones that pop up in the most lurid scandals. It's called hypocrisy, and while I'm not inclined to go look up the verse(s) at the moment, I seem to remember the Bible having a word to say about hypocrites.

Ah, so you were trolling... figures.

CsG

 

[Vic]

When it comes to the extremely important issue of sex, Americans are truly the most screwed up culture in all the history of the world. People like Kinsey tried to help, but their help was not wanted. These "Puritans" need it to be dark and dirty, they won't get off unless it's forbidden and "naughty". And they hate bitterly anyone who thinks differently. It's all really twisted IMO.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I see neither of you has found a fix for your reading comprehension impairment. You won't look so foolish when attacking others if you make some attempt to understand what they're saying. It's called hyperbole, exaggeration, poetic license. Sorry, I don't know how to explain it without multi-syllable words.

The point is that time and again, the most vocal, most self-righteous, self-professed guardians of others' morality are the same ones that pop up in the most lurid scandals. It's called hypocrisy, and while I'm not inclined to go look up the verse(s) at the moment, I seem to remember the Bible having a word to say about hypocrites.

I don't need to go to the Bible to know what to say about sweeping generalizations without basis. All that is required is a .

 

[Gen Stonewall]

Originally posted by: Vic
When it comes to the extremely important issue of sex, Americans are truly the most screwed up culture in all the history of the world. People like Kinsey tried to help, but their help was not wanted. These "Puritans" need it to be dark and dirty, they won't get off unless it's forbidden and "naughty". And they hate bitterly anyone who thinks differently. It's all really twisted IMO.

For hundreds of years sex was understood to be an act limited to marriage.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

Originally posted by: Vic
When it comes to the extremely important issue of sex, Americans are truly the most screwed up culture in all the history of the world. People like Kinsey tried to help, but their help was not wanted. These "Puritans" need it to be dark and dirty, they won't get off unless it's forbidden and "naughty". And they hate bitterly anyone who thinks differently. It's all really twisted IMO.

For hundreds of years sex was understood to be an act limited to marriage.

And for hundreds of years it never was. You could say that is part of my point.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Vic
When it comes to the extremely important issue of sex, Americans are truly the most screwed up culture in all the history of the world. People like Kinsey tried to help, but their help was not wanted. These "Puritans" need it to be dark and dirty, they won't get off unless it's forbidden and "naughty". And they hate bitterly anyone who thinks differently. It's all really twisted IMO.

How did he accomplish it? By publishing 'facts' that were not facts at all. Look at what has occurred as a result of the sexual revolution in this nation. Maybe the 'puritans' had the right idea after all. Or do you consider STDs, abortion, single motherhood, and all the other goodies that come along with this to be a good thing?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Awww, the puritans have got their knickers in a bunch again. Poor babies. :brokenheart:

What else is new? Any time there is a suggestion that some people openly find pleasure in the human body -- or pretty much anything else for that matter -- the puritans get all hot and bothered. They prefer to get their jollies privately, in the dark, with livestock and small children like God intended. :roll:

The good news is they're so predictable. The best thing can happen to controversial material is to draw the attention of those self-righteous busybodies. It means this film will get a lot of free publicity and attention it wouldn't have otherwise. By once again cramming their repressions down everyone else's throats, they sabotage themselves.

See my .sig

Wow bowfinger classy post. Let's follow your train of thought...

As opposed to liberals, who aren't ashamed of their children buggering. www.nambla.org

I'm wondering which puritans Bowfinger knows that get their jollies with livestock and children...

CsG

I see neither of you has found a fix for your reading comprehension impairment. You won't look so foolish when attacking others if you make some attempt to understand what they're saying. It's called hyperbole, exaggeration, poetic license. Sorry, I don't know how to explain it without multi-syllable words.

The point is that time and again, the most vocal, most self-righteous, self-professed guardians of others' morality are the same ones that pop up in the most lurid scandals. It's called hypocrisy, and while I'm not inclined to go look up the verse(s) at the moment, I seem to remember the Bible having a word to say about hypocrites.

Funny, but I seem to have this silly notion that I was using an extreme example to show the idiocy of your extreme generaliztion (you know all those big fancy words you used to mask your hate speech). Or maybe I really believe liberals are boy-loving men? :roll:

Of course, when YOU do it, well then you are Mr. Po-et. The elitist wordsmith. But when *I * do it, well then I'm reading impaired, eh? Got it. :laugh::roll: Hard to compete with perfection like yourself. Bible had a few choice words about that also...

you america-hating genocidal pedophelial godless communists really hate the taste of your own soup, don't you Did I mention you have sex with farm animals?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
How did he accomplish it? By publishing 'facts' that were not facts at all. Look at what has occurred as a result of the sexual revolution in this nation. Maybe the 'puritans' had the right idea after all. Or do you consider STDs, abortion, single motherhood, and all the other goodies that come along with this to be a good thing?

You think those are new things? Not even. Those have all been with humanity for thousands of years. Someone has pumped you full of lies I think. The difference is that once it was all swept under the rug in a big "scandal" with the woman in disgrace (but never the man as long as he wasn't caught in the act).

I'm serious. NONE of these problems are new. The difference today is that we have taken the first step to trying to solve them, which began by acknowledging that the problems existed. Many missteps have been take thus far, but under no circumstances will I agree to stepping backwards to the days of secrecy and scandal where sex was repressed and naughty and filthy, and the pregnant teenager was shipped to live with her grandma in the next state (and would not be allowed to graduate school) and she would never even be allowed to see her baby before it was put up for adoption.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: alchemize

As opposed to liberals, who aren't ashamed of their children buggering. www.nambla.org

F U for tying NAMBLA to a political ideology. "Liberals" are no more tolerant of child molestation than conservatives. You can pretend your post is a credible parallel to Bowfinger's, but you're lying to yourself and the rest of this board.