Kingston memory and Crucial memory

[Taz4158]

<< As a network engineer you are not qualified to determine the quality of a ram module, as an EE i am. And i tell you, Kingston ram is NOT as good as Crucial or Mushkin. >>



Absolute rubbish. I am responsible for specing EVERY piece of hardware that goes into my network. As I thought you're a clone jockey...I have lots who work under me and they are not qualified to replace any piece of hardware unless it's approved by me. Have I tested &quot;generic&quot; ram? Of course, not too easy to get ECC generic on a whim is it? Kingston ram can't be compared to Crucial or Mushkin, it's a different market segment apparently you're not aware of. Wouldn't use Kingston at home but wouldn't be without it in my servers. My people can't afford downtime. Kind of curious, you know people who use generic ram in branded servers? Of course you don't and don't pretend you do. Now do you plan on coming back with an even more ludicrous argument or maybe you should just build another clone?

 

[PCResources]

<< I believe you're quite wrong. They RAM often has Infineon chips on it. And we all know the quality of Infineon. How do you determine that that RAM are cheapo? >>



Ok, first of all, i buy a lot of ram, more than you could ever imagine, i buy generic ram with Infineon chips... Kinston generic.. ok??

A ram module is cheapo when it doesn't use the same kind of chips every time, Crucial does, Mushkin does, so they are not cheapo, but Kingston comes with Infineon AND other chips, whichever they can pull the price tag on for the moment, that makes kingston cheapo.

I can get kingston without the brand name for 2/3 of the price, and some network engineer says i shouldn't?? allow me to correct this network engineer. You do not choose the ram do you? You really do not build the servers do you? If you answer no to these two questions, then what makes you qualified to make a statement like the one you made?

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Taz4158]

<< I can get kingston without the brand name for 2/3 of the price, and some network engineer says i shouldn't?? allow me to correct this network engineer. You do not choose the ram do you? You really do not build the servers do you? If you answer no to these two questions, then what makes you qualified to make a statement like the one you made? >>



Yes I DO choose the Ram, every module. Build servers????? You're joking right? No large companies use clones as servers. What the hell kind of company do you work for? No self respecting company uses clones a servers. Downtime is MY responsibility and I optimize towards that end and the guys in the back, like you, do what I tell them because they know they can trust my judgement, any deviation without good reason and they no longer work for me.

 

[ScottyB_]

Back onto subject, is it worth the jump form 256MB to 512MB. $140 w/shipping from crucial.

 

[PCResources]

<< Yes I DO choose the Ram, every module. Build servers????? You're joking right? No large companies use clones as servers. What the hell kind of company do you work for? No self respecting company uses clones a servers. Downtime is MY responsibility and I optimize towards that end and the guys in the back, like you, do what I tell them because they know they can trust my judgement, any deviation without good reason and they no longer work for me. >>



Ok, that does it... you are just a little network engineer... let me tell you a little bit of my work...

I am not an employee of PC Resources, i OWN the company, PC Resources designs and builds specific hardware for specific tasks... that is right, we do not buy IBM servers, we design the motherboards, choose the hardware and build the servers, do the same thing for workstations and we educate the network engineers and we educate everyone else, on a need to know basis.

I really do NOT care if you think that you know something, i have educated more than 500 network engineers on the systems i have set up for them.

The bottom line is, you think you know something because someone told you so, you do not have the understanding of basic hardware, you do not understand how a chip can be as good as another or the same as another even though they are not both sold under brand name.

Sooooo, if you really do NOT know what you are talking about, then do not talk, if you cannot say for sure that the memory you are using is not generic (usually, dell, compaq, IBM memory is, it is just QC and branded) then just do not talk at all.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[ScottyB_]

Like I just said Back onto subject, is it worth the jump form 256MB to 512MB. $140 w/shipping from crucial.

 

[PCResources]

Scotty B.

Sorry for getting off subject for a while there... If you get the extra 256MB, it might not mean a huge performance increase today, but soon enough, you will need it for some applications that you want to use.

My advice is, get it now while the prices are still low, they might go even lower, but they will go up soon enough.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Taz4158]

<< I really do NOT care if you think that you know something, i have educated more than 500 network engineers on the systems i have set up for them. >>


With the knowledge you've exhibited here this evening I can only hope for their sakes they've properly re-educated themselves so they may hold gainful employment at a proper company. BTW send me one of your &quot;servers&quot; and I'll compare it to a Compaq or IBM. Hahahahahaha.

 

[Taz4158]

Sorry Scotty. I'd recommend as well that you buy the extra ram while the pricing is so low. Once again apologies for the way it went off topic.

 

[ElFenix]

and even if you ever use it, how many of your friends can say that they have half a gig of RAM?

 

[PCResources]

<< With the knowledge you've exhibited here this evening I can only hope for their sakes they've properly re-educated themselves so they may hold gainful employment at a proper company. BTW send me one of your &quot;servers&quot; and I'll compare it to a Compaq or IBM. Hahahahahaha. >>



A PC Res server is much more expensive than a Compaq or IBM server, these servers (PCRES) are built upon mobo's that were designed by PC Res and built by ELTEX for specific tasks, to perform better than any other servers, and they do...

I guess that i cannot educate you, you are to stuck in the patterns of IBM and Compaq PR...

However i do agree with you on one thing, kingston memory is not in the same market as Crucial or Mushkin, Crusial and Mushkin is much better, you have just been fooled by those great PR thingys that the GREAT IBM and Compaq throw at you... If your company were ever to use my company as a supplier, i would have you fired first...

Just to show you how off line you are, i will tell you my latest server design (PCRes 4800 server 2), and i would like you to offer some kind of comparison to it right here....

4 1.2 Ghz Athlon (t-bird) CPU's
(modified) Micron Samurai chipset offering dual channel DDR SDRAM (16-layers)
8 Crucial 1GB 266 Mhz (Micron) modules (2 of them for every CPU)
16 X15 18,2Gb disks, running on MEXX RAID SIX four channel cards, all running on 64@66Mhz PCI bus
2 GHZ ethernet cards from Compex, connected to the Compex switch, running on the 64bit@33Mhz PCI bus

There are four of them running an Linux Beowulf cluster... You probably do not know what that is anyway, but these are the specs...

Let's see your latest specs.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[ScottyB_]

Thanks for the info, I just ordered 256 MB of Crucial Ram(they have free 2nd day shipping till 2/1/01 for anyone interested) $144.04 after taxes.
The fight was also interesting too.

 

[Taz4158]

<< Thanks for the info, I just ordered 256 MB of Crucial Ram(they have free 2nd day shipping till 2/1/01 for anyone interested) $144.04 after taxes. >>


Good move. As for the fight, a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, is no fun! So I had no real challenge. I'll wait til his l'il company puts Compaq and IBM under then I'll consider them. We have multi millions of dollars transacting on my networks so I think I'll just wait until the little Swedish company has earned some marks before I switch!

 

[PCResources]

<< Thanks for the info, I just ordered 256 MB of Crucial Ram(they have free 2nd day shipping till 2/1/01 for anyone interested) $144.04 after taxes. >>



Good for you, Crucial will bring you the highest quality availiable, and the price you got was also good...

As usual, i will recommend that you use a wrist wrap and check the grounding befor even touching that mem stick, but you probably already know this.

About the fight, i think it stopped here, for a while at least, he will need to check with his HW friends before he can make any statement about his own system.

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[ScottyB_]

Gonna have some bragging rights over the rest of my friends:
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1200Mhz
512MB RAM
IBM 60GB 7200RPM HD
64MB DDR RAM Geforce 2 Ultra w/ tv out
SoundBlaster Live
16x/40x DVD
HP 12x/8x/32x CDRW
CTX 19&quot; monitor
BA Dolby Digital speakers

 

[PCResources]

<< Good move. As for the fight, a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, is no fun! So I had no real challenge. I'll wait til his l'il company puts Compaq and IBM under then I'll consider them. We have multi millions of dollars transacting on my networks so I think I'll just wait until the little Swedish company has earned some marks before I switch! >>



Hehe, the uniformed here might believe you, but the informed will not, i have built many multi-million dollar mainframes, but only with good products, anyone here will see the Compaq and IBM brand name as a mark of nothing...

Brand name or no brand name, it is what is inside that is important...

And as for the little Swedish company... Well, who else has ever made a Samurai - Athon chipset other than PC Resources?? IBM, Compaq...

I recognize the type, WD drives, Kingston memory... All second rate stuff, but who cares, IBM and Compaq says that it's good... And all of you uniformed and not bother to check yourself kind of guys love it...

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Taz4158]

<< I recognize the type, WD drives, Kingston memory... All second rate stuff, but who cares, IBM and Compaq says that it's good... And all of you uniformed and not bother to check yourself kind of guys love it... >>



Yepper and my employees like the no downtime as well as our shareholders. By the way I also listen to The Beatles rather than ABBA! Guess I bought into that too eh? Hahahahaha.

 

[PCResources]

<< Yepper and my employees like the no downtime as well as our shareholders. By the way I also listen to The Beatles rather than ABBA! Guess I bought into that too eh? Hahahahaha. >>



Yeah, no downtime, what is the name of your company??

I truly feel that you are one of those &quot;know nothing&quot; guys out there, you handle your little network, and you expect that the kinds of HW you put in your machines because IBM or Compaq told you that it was the best is really any good... most people wouldn't want that stuff in their home computers.. why?? it is tooo slow, and at higher speeds it is not reliable...

I guess that you have tried to make your point here, if you buy a system from IBM or Compaq, use the default settings in bios, then you will have no problem....if you try to tweak it, it won't work.

With a solid system, like CUSL2 or the MSIK7T Pro2A for Athlon, and a piece of Crucial memory, you can tweak it...

And when it comes to music, Mot&ouml;r head and Metallica are my favourites, Beatles huh... hehe

Patrick Palm

Am speaking for PC Resources

 

[Taz4158]

<< I guess that you have tried to make your point here, if you buy a system from IBM or Compaq, use the default settings in bios, then you will have no problem....if you try to tweak it, it won't work. >>


You should see my home system. Look you obviously have a chip on your shoulder and I can see why, I'm sure you're used to plenty of rejection in your life. A home rig is vastly different from servers that thousands of employees rely on. You CLEARLY don't understand a large corporate market and never will. This pointless conversation is over from my end. I have better things to do with my time than to tal &quot;shop&quot; with someone who is pushing his personal agenda and clearly doesn't understand the demands of the North American business community. Good luck to you and your clones.

 

[pdo]

sorry PCResources but for a guy that own his own company you sure sound arrogant as hell. Maybe you have a site for your comany that we can checkout.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

You 2 are arguing on Kingston regular or Kingston Valueram?

I believe Kingston regular should be about same quality level as Crucial,
Kingston Valueram should be about same quality level as PNY,
I believe price tells the difference (for most things).

 

[Taz4158]

It was standard kingston ram.

 

[PliotronX]

Kingston standard RAM has been shown to be very good quality in numerous reviews.

My .02

 

[Taz4158]

It certainly has been!