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Kindergartner caught with gun at school

madoka

madoka

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There's a video of it in action: it was definitely an automatic weapon. Think of the carnage she could have caused!

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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ng-a-clear-plastic-bubble-gun-to-school_51716

A 5-year-old Brighton girl has been suspended for a day after bringing a clear plastic bubble gun onto school grounds.

The child is a kindergarten student at Southeast Elementary in Brighton, part of Adams County School District 27J.

The mother, who requested her identity be concealed due to privacy concerns, said she didn’t know her daughter had put the toy into her backpack Monday morning.

"I apologized right away and said that I am so sorry she did that," said the girl's mother. "I appreciate that they’re trying to keep our kids safe, I really do. But there needs to be some common sense. It blows bubbles."
Before school started, the kindergarten student took out the bubble gun in the hallway during indoor recess.

The school called the mother, telling her to come pick up the child because she was suspended for having a fake gun in school.

"If asked, 'Is it really necessary for me to come get her?' And they said, 'Yes, this is our zero tolerance policy, and somebody needs to come get her immediately."
Monday night, she said her daughter was so upset, she asked to stay home and help clean house instead of going to school.

"It’s a shame because it’s the end of the school year, and it’s kind of ending on a bad note now," she said. "And she didn’t deserve that. She didn’t deserve a punishment like that."

A spokesman with School District 27J in Brighton denied a request for an interview with the principal and the superintendent, but released a statement defending the action:

“This suspension is consistent with our district policy as well as how Southeast has handled similar situations throughout this school year.”

However, the district policy does not necessarily support suspension in a case like this.

According to the District’s policy for weapons in school, discretionary discipline may be used if a student displays “a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm.”

“It’s absurd to send a 5-year-old home for a bubble-maker,” said Nathan Woodliff, the executive director of the ACLU of Colorado. “This is a silly example of a very real problem. Zero-tolerance policies often mean zero common sense.”
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things that are banned in schools.

pop tarts shaped like guns
pens that are bent in to the shapes of guns
this thing
making you hand look like a gun

but guns?

didn't the NRA want teachers armed?

i agree with that last statement zero tolerance equals zero common sense.,

i think it is time to revamp the entire public school system.

start with removing every single administrator.

what else do you expect when the only thing you learn is how to pass a standardized test.
 
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"I apologized right away and said that I am so sorry she did that," said the girl's mother.
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Mother's first and only mistake. Never apologize to idiots who suspend a 5 year old for acting like a 5 year old. My daughter is a kindergärtner, and is always wanting to take things from home to school.

"I appreciate that they’re trying to keep our kids safe, I really do. But there needs to be some common sense. It blows bubbles."
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Common sense and zero tolerance policies are mutually exclusive.

Before school started, the kindergarten student took out the bubble gun in the hallway during indoor recess.

The school called the mother, telling her to come pick up the child because she was suspended for having a fake gun in school.

"If asked, 'Is it really necessary for me to come get her?' And they said, 'Yes, this is our zero tolerance policy, and somebody needs to come get her immediately."
Monday night, she said her daughter was so upset, she asked to stay home and help clean house instead of going to school.
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I don't freaking blame the kid. I'd be inclined to homeschool her after such BS.

"It’s a shame because it’s the end of the school year, and it’s kind of ending on a bad note now," she said. "And she didn’t deserve that. She didn’t deserve a punishment like that."

A spokesman with School District 27J in Brighton denied a request for an interview with the principal and the superintendent, but released a statement defending the action:

“This suspension is consistent with our district policy as well as how Southeast has handled similar situations throughout this school year.”

However, the district policy does not necessarily support suspension in a case like this.

According to the District’s policy for weapons in school, discretionary discipline may be used if a student displays “a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm.”

“It’s absurd to send a 5-year-old home for a bubble-maker,” said Nathan Woodliff, the executive director of the ACLU of Colorado. “This is a silly example of a very real problem. Zero-tolerance policies often mean zero common sense.”
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What teacher in his or her right mind adheres to policies that are so stupid? Teachers should push back against these things, even at risk of their jobs.

Dumb as hell.
 
The problem with the zero tolerance policy is that by rule administrators aren't supposed to make judgement calls, they're supposed to follow the strict letter of the rule. I would support the institution of a "use your best judgement" policy in its place (except in states like Kansas, Texas, Mississippi, etc. Then perhaps we can have a "use a non insane state's best judgement" policy)
 
thraashman said:
The problem with the zero tolerance policy is that by rule administrators aren't supposed to make judgement calls, they're supposed to follow the strict letter of the rule. I would support the institution of a "use your best judgement" policy in its place (except in states like Kansas, Texas, Mississippi, etc. Then perhaps we can have a "use a non insane state's best judgement" policy)
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Well according to the article, administrators did have room to make a judgement:

According to the District’s policy for weapons in school, discretionary discipline may be used if a student displays “a firearm facsimile that could reasonably be mistaken for an actual firearm.”
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So someone there thought that what she brought "could reasonably be mistaken" for a real gun.
 
madoka said:
Well according to the article, administrators did have room to make a judgement:



So someone there thought that what she brought "could reasonably be mistaken" for a real gun.
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Well now I'm just disappointed and am seriously hoping that whoever handed down the punishment was just ignorant that they had the option of discretion instead of them just being a moron. I'd rather there not be morons educating this nation's children.
 
This has gone too far. But Trump is going to lift the bans of all sorts of guns. No more suspensions, yet more killings.
 
I am waiting for schools to ban the letter "L" because guess what it looks like when turned side ways.

It's funny though, I guess my kids have been told so many times to not make your figures into a gun they never do. But, I have seen them point all their fingers and thumb straight out in a circle like shape and make a machine gun sound. I guess it a gatling gun of some soft. They have also just pointed their fist and arm straight out and said it was a cannon or rocket launcher like a transformer has. I don't think the schools realize that boys will behave like boys and nothing they say or do will change that.
 
zinfamous said:
That looks like a 750-bubble magazine. I believe the legal limit is 300.
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Well if she lived in CA, she would be limited to a 10 bubble bottle and have to add a bullet button, because if we can save even one child from getting hit by a stray bubble, then it was worth it.
 
CU said:
I am waiting for schools to ban the letter "L" because guess what it looks like when turned side ways.

It's funny though, I guess my kids have been told so many times to not make your figures into a gun they never do. But, I have seen them point all their fingers and thumb straight out in a circle like shape and make a machine gun sound. I guess it a gatling gun of some soft. They have also just pointed their fist and arm straight out and said it was a cannon or rocket launcher like a transformer has. I don't think the schools realize that boys will behave like boys and nothing they say or do will change that.
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Sounds like you're raising some terrorists.
 
related.

I was visiting my dad last week and the other day we were going through boxes in his attic of our old toys. Stuff I haven't seen since ~1992 at the most recent. Found this watergun, pretty much one of many we used to run around with in our neighborhood blasting each other with

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We also had the M4, someone else had a pistol, and one or two other SMG types.

Dad wanted to donate it. I asked him if he was crazy.
 
NoCreativity said:
Sounds like you're raising some terrorists.
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Also known as normally boys. Unless you are in school. Then you are a national security threat. I mean have you seen the damage pretend cannons and rocket launchers can do. The army doesn't even use them for fear of backlash from the public due to all the collateral damage.
 
I think the policy is stupid, but there is merit behind its intent.

More importantly, a kindergartner does not have capacity to understand why this may be wrong. Punishing them for this action only solidifies ideas that learning is about compliance and defiance. The #1 thing associated with good grades in school? Ability to comply.

Fuck that. How about we thank the kid for providing an opportunity to talk about what guns do. Tell them they can understand why they made this mistake. And then remind everyone in the discussion the rules about bringing objects representative of guns in schools.

If you did that, there would be less of these things happening, the child would feel good about learning from their mistakes moving forward, and the whole class would collectively bear responsibility for the roles of compliance and defiance in the classroom.

Put kids on an island for behavior they can't control... Well, who here is happy with the results we are getting from our educational system?
 
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