Kindergarten near-miss highlights Gaza risks -which came first the chicken or the egg

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JEDIYoda

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So lets see if I get this correct....
Somebody posts a thread that is highly pro- Palestinians and anti-Israeli....so far so good??
Then somebody else posts a thread that is Pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian...so far so good??
Then somebody else posts a thread that is Pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian and anti Hamas, anti-Hezzbollah and anti-Fatah and anti - terrorist groups...so far so good?
Then somebody else posts a post that is anti -Israeli and anti-Palestinian and pro Hamas, pro Hezzbollah and pro Fatah and pro - terrorist groups...so far so good?
Yet all these different scenarios everybody has their own logical morally correct reason for how they behave. So far so good?

So which came first?
The chicken or the egg??

Fortunately nobody was killed in this attack!! YES, it was an attack on Israeli Kindergarten.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_palestinians_israel_violence

KIBBUTZ ZIKIM, Israel (Reuters) – A rocket fired from Gaza exploded near an Israeli kindergarten Tuesday as cross-border violence surged in the approach to the two-year anniversary of Israel's war in the Hamas Islamist-run enclave.

No one was hurt at the preschool but a teenage girl in a nearby building was cut by flying glass in the shower.

"We were lucky," said Ilan Goldsmith, community manager at Kibbutz Zikim, just north of the Gaza Strip. "It exploded at quarter to eight this morning, the exact time when parents are bringing their children in ... 28 children."

The Palestinian-made Qassam rocket corkscrewed into the kibbutz, he said, exploding on a path about 10 meters (30 feet) from the kindergarten and two adjacent nursery buildings for the under-three year olds.

In retaliatory strikes, Israeli aircraft hit targets in Gaza, wounding five Hamas gunmen, three of whom were listed in critical condition, Palestinian officials and medics said.

"The situation in the south is tense and fragile, and it could deteriorate if a rocket attack causes a large number of casualties," Lieutenant-General Gabi Ashkenazi, the Israeli military's chief of staff, told a parliamentary committee.

An Israeli military spokesman said at least 14 rockets had been fired from Gaza -- which is under an Israeli military blockade -- in the past two days. An Israeli air strike in Gaza Saturday killed five militants from a rocket squad, in the heaviest toll during sporadic clashes this year.

CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY

Responsibility for Tuesday's rocket attack was claimed by a group calling itself the Army of Islam, which has the same "global jihad" ideology as the al Qaeda movement. It said it was responding "to the massacres committed by the Zionist enemy."

Hamas leaders have tried to curb rocket fire at Israel from Gaza in recent years, but smaller groups continue to carry out attacks. Israeli forces killed some 1,400 Palestinians in a three-week offensive on Gaza which began on December 27, 2008, after an unofficial truce collapsed under the pressure of sustained Hamas rocket fire and Israeli counter-attacks.

The Israeli army says that more than 200 missiles, rockets and mortars have been fired from Gaza this year.

"We're witnessing a certain escalation," Information Minister Yuli Edelstein told reporters last week at a briefing on Israel's program to open Gaza's Israeli-controlled crossing point at Kerem Shalom to more trade.

The capacity of the logistics hub is being expanded from 100 trucks a day to 250, and to 400 by next year to allow more goods into Gaza.

Critics of Israel's three-year-old blockade say it has only made life harder for Gaza's 1.5 million Palestinians. Hamas won elections in the enclave in 2006 then drove out the rival Fatah faction, which controls the West Bank, in fighting in 2007.

Goldsmith said Zikim residents enjoyed a period of calm following the Israeli offensive which ended on January 18, 2009, but had recently been expecting a return of the threat of random rocket attacks.
 
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Lemon law

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In terms of the chicken or egg question, Israeli terrorism and Arab and Palestinian terrorism existed long before Israel was formerly recognized in 1948. And that terrorism continues unabated by both sides still. And worse yet will continue unabated until some peace deal defuses tensions. Whose fault is it? Why not realize that the root cause is greed and brutality on all sides? And thus the only cure will be fairness and a willingness to share the so called holy land of Israel.

Nor in this case can we blame Hamas, it was a totally different group that launched the Rocket. The notion that any nation or even a loose government like Hamas can control 100% of its territory 100% of the time as Absurd. Even Israel can't control its settler parties or prevent them from committing all kinds of criminal acts.

As for the rocket being specifically targeted at an Israeli kindergarten, that too is unreality. Simply because those primitive home made rockets have no guidance systems and hit at random. Most of the times they blow up a pile of dirt and nothing more.

But this time it was innocent Israel children who nearly paid the price.

But why are Israeli children any more valuable than the Palestinians Israel has brutalized and minimized for over 62 years? At least Israeli military technology is supposed to be far superior in targeting just the terrorists, and sadly, in reality, its been proven to be more like collective punishment.
 

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While Hamas may not be able to control 100&#37; of their territory; they control 100% of the equipment that comes in that the rockets are built with.

Given the paraniod security that Hamas has within Gaza, it would seem that rose colored galsses are being used to think that Hamas did not have advance knowledge of the launch.

It is easy for Hamas to plead not guilty and still get the job done by the outlaw groups.
 

Lemon law

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Common Courtesy asserts, "While Hamas may not be able to control 100&#37; of their territory; they control 100% of the equipment that comes in that the rockets are built with."

Kinda seems to me like a ridiculous argument, given that consumer all over the world can use the same item for good or ill. After all, I can buy nitrogen fertilizer to nourish my food crops, or use that same material to make into bombs. Given all the materials the Israeli blockade is supposed to block, it becomes that same JediY question of which comes first, the Israeli provocations or the Palestinian anger?

Glorified bottle rockets can be made from naturally occurring materials and have been for at least 500 years. We are not talking high tech or fancy imported chemicals here. Or a big factory.

Hamas would have to become a complete police State and even then it could not contain other rouge groups.
 

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Hamas/Gaza is a police state.

They tax everything that comes through the tunnels. Therefore they know what is coming through and who gets it.

Materials to make the rockets themselves are not allowed in through the checkpoints.
and this is a good reason why dual purpose items should not be allowed.

Hamas is not interested in controlling the rogue groups. It is in their best interests to allow them to operate. It allows the the "denialability" that the liberals/supporters ask for, yet pursues their aim of terror against Israel.
 
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I find it hard to believe that Hamas have made any efforts to "curb" any efforts/attacks against Israel. Let alone significant ones.

Hell, it's in their Charter: http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

At best, Hamas stood aside and allowed a secondary group to carry out the attack. At worst, Hamas supplied and directed it.


Having said that - Israel aren't saints, either, and there's plenty to go around on both sides.

Oh:

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It's "Rogue".

Rouge is makeup.

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