got into them right after "Alive or Just Breathing" which is by far their best album. the two albums with Howard are great, but they had something more intense going with Jesse. plus their songwriting is getting a bit too formulaic... fortunately they can write a mean riff that'll redeem 'em everytime.
seen them three times so far - they never fail to put on an awesome show. particularly adam and his capes, tanktops, short shorts, and viking helmets.
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