Killing the King . . .

CaptnKirk

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Washington Post
August 1, 2003 Charles Krauthammer

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When the Iraqi monarchy was overthrown in 1958, Prime Minister Nuri Said, fleeing disguised as a woman, was caught, castrated and hacked to pieces by a crowd. When the strongman who took power, Abdul Karim Kassem, was overthrown five years later, he was shot and his body displayed on television. When Najibullah, deposed dictator of Afghanistan, was killed by the Taliban in 1996, he too was castrated, shot and hung, still alive, from a lamppost.

Given the neighborhood, the complaint about the offense to local sensitivities by the American treatment of the bodies of Uday and Qusay Hussein is hard to fathom. Not that the public display of overthrown tyrants is by any means an exclusively Muslim custom. Think back only to 1989, when the Ceausescus' summary execution was videotaped and their bodies shown on Romanian television, or, most famously, to Mussolini being strung upside down by the partisans.

These shows of public fury are more than just catharsis. They are a form of preventive politics. You want to show that the king is not only dead but humiliated, desecrated, so as to strip him posthumously of the awe and aura he possessed in life. Which is why the display of the dead Hussein brothers was necessary. Consider the circumstances under which the Baath regime was overthrown. For 30 years it ruled by torture and fear. Then all of a sudden it disappeared. It was not decimated. It vanished, literally, into the night.

In that part of the world, people are used to seeing their deposed leaders in chains -- or worse. In Iraq, however, more than two-thirds of the deck of cards have been captured, but entirely antiseptically. Not one has been shown in public or on television.

There is an announcement: The six of spades has been arrested. But no picture. No proof. Nothing tangible.

It is rather odd that Martha Stewart does a perp walk for trading ImClone, but Tariq Aziz, complicit in the murder and torture of tens of thousands, does not. The reason is simple: The Baathist thugs are war prisoners, and international law does not permit their display.

But there's a loophole. You are not allowed to parade a prisoner on television, but there is nothing in the Geneva Conventions about displaying dead bodies. Hence the display of Uday and Qusay. They were not only the most important torturers. They were the deadest.

That deadness offended the sensibilities of a few, most characteristically, the supercilious British reporter who confronted Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the U.S. commander in Baghdad (who announced the killing of Uday and Qusay), with the charge that the United States should have taken them alive, not just to produce more information but to provide war crimes trials. Why did you not just wait them out, he asked?

The question was as astounding for its stupidity as for its audacity. The obvious answer is that waiting would have opened the unacceptable possibility of escape. One might add: Imagine what would have happened had a siege been declared, and days spent waiting for the food and ammunition inside the house to run out. The world media descending on the scene would have made Camp O.J. look like a Cub Scout barbecue. Mediators representing everyone from Putin to the pope would have fallen over each other to negotiate the terms of surrender.

But the most important reason remained unstated: We had no wish to take Uday and Qusay alive. We did the correct thing in giving them one chance to surrender. But no more. The moment we captured them we would have been responsible for their care and feeding forever. They were in their thirties. It would have meant that for the next 50 years the Hussein dynasty would have been kept alive -- by us.

For a half-century, Iraqis would live in fear of a restoration. It was not for nothing that Richard III had his nephews killed in the Tower of London. We don't do that today. In fact, we leave unmolested Saddam Hussein's other offspring -- three daughters and a son. But when confronted with his designated heirs, world-class murderers who refused to surrender, the idea of waiting them out so that we could forever be custodians of their restoration is simply insane.

Which suggests a plan for when we finally find Saddam Hussein. We give him, oh, 30 seconds to contemplate his surrender -- after all, he has had about five months to mull it over - and then we kill the monster.
And the ghosts that still surround him.
 

Corn

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Moonie is light years ahead of us in his infinite wisdom. He does not agree.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Corn
Moonie is light years ahead of us in his infinite wisdom. He does not agree.

Moonie is a deer captured in the headlights of common sense and intelligent thinkers. Eventually he will be roadkill :D
 

Trezza

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Originally posted by: Corn
Moonie is light years ahead of us in his infinite wisdom. He does not agree.

I hope that was sarcasm because if spewing obsurd crap in a thread and calling everyone who disagrees with a Bush Lover and Rush Limbah listener that call me a moron.
 

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When the Iraqi monarchy was overthrown in 1958, Prime Minister Nuri Said, fleeing disguised as a woman, was caught, castrated and hacked to pieces by a crowd. When the strongman who took power, Abdul Karim Kassem, was overthrown five years later, he was shot and his body displayed on television.

The sad fact that is, the US helped with the overthrow of Abdul Kari Kassem, that lead to the Baath Party taking power. The US has helped with almost every modern Iraqi overthrow. Except after each overthrow, we didnt do anything to help Iraq, until the next overthrow.
 

Trezza

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
When the Iraqi monarchy was overthrown in 1958, Prime Minister Nuri Said, fleeing disguised as a woman, was caught, castrated and hacked to pieces by a crowd. When the strongman who took power, Abdul Karim Kassem, was overthrown five years later, he was shot and his body displayed on television.

The sad fact that is, the US helped with the overthrow of Abdul Kari Kassem, that lead to the Baath Party taking power. The US has helped with almost every modern Iraqi overthrow. Except after each overthrow, we didnt do anything to help Iraq, until the next overthrow.

that might have something to do with the fact the if we did people (both american and otherwise) would say that the new president/ruler was an american plant who only wanted to serve the evil american's plot of global domination.