Killer's Ashes Ordered Out of Cemetery

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Killer's Ashes Ordered Out of Cemetery
By Associated Press
3 hours ago

HAGERSTOWN, Md. - The cremated remains of a convicted murderer must be removed from Arlington National Cemetery under a new federal law.

The provision ordering the removal of Russell Wayne Wagner's remains was included in a veterans' health care and benefits bill that President Bush signed into law on Friday.

Wagner, a Vietnam veteran, was convicted in 2002 of stabbing to death Daniel Davis, 84, and Wilda Davis, 80, in their home in 1994. He was sentenced to life in prison.

Wagner died in 2005 of a heroin overdose in prison at age 52. Because he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1969, he qualified for interment at Arlington. His remains were placed there July 27, 2005, at the request of his sister.

Vernon G. Davis, the son of the victims, objected to the honor for Wagner and has since tried to get the remains removed from the cemetery.

A 1997 law prohibited people convicted of capital crimes and sentenced to death or life imprisonment without parole from being interred at military cemeteries.

Wagner would have become eligible in 2017 for a review that could have led to parole, according to the Maryland Division of Corrections.

In January, Bush signed into law a ban on burial at national cemeteries for veterans convicted of capital crimes, which eliminated the loophole that allowed Wagner's remains to be placed at Arlington.

The law Bush signed Friday includes a specific order to remove Wagner's remains from the cemetery.

The ashes must either go to Wagner's next-of-kin or the Army must "arrange for an appropriate disposition of the remains," according to the bill.

 

pontifex

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this is a very simplistic view, but its kind of funny that a person who is hired to kill people can't be buried there because he killed people.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: pontifex
this is a very simplistic view, but its kind of funny that a person who is hired to kill people can't be buried there because he killed people.

Killed and murdered aren't the same things.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: pontifex
this is a very simplistic view, but its kind of funny that a person who is hired to kill people can't be buried there because he killed people.

Killed and murdered aren't the same things.

I don't think the dead person cares..
 

KLin

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Originally posted by: pontifex
this is a very simplistic view, but its kind of funny that a person who is hired to kill people can't be buried there because he killed people.

I find it funny that you don't see the difference, or maybe you do and you're just trolling.
 

episodic

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I don't really have an opinion one way or another - but. . .

what about ex post facto laws - how can the law retroactively apply to this guy?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: waggy
I don't think the dead person cares..

No, the dead person is worm food.

doubtfull. you see how they bury them? i swear in 1999999999 years someone will find them and wonder what king or something that person was.


 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: waggy
doubtfull. you see how they bury them? i swear in 1999999999 years someone will find them and wonder what king or something that person was.

The worms have their bibs on. They are patient creatures.
 

Perknose

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Hmmm, taking the asshole out of his ash hole. What a killer idea.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: pontifex
this is a very simplistic view, but its kind of funny that a person who is hired to kill people can't be buried there because he killed people.

Killed and murdered aren't the same things.

I don't think the dead person cares..

Heh, good point. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: episodic
I don't really have an opinion one way or another - but. . .

what about ex post facto laws - how can the law retroactively apply to this guy?

It doesn't, that was the problem - Bush had to sign a bill that specifically ordered the removal of this guy's body.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: pontifex
this is a very simplistic view, but its kind of funny that a person who is hired to kill people can't be buried there because he killed people.

Killed and murdered aren't the same things.

Sure it is, the only thing that changes is who you liked better, the people who did the killing, or the people who died.

It's all about perspective.
 

BlancoNino

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Isn't there something in the constitution that says you can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal?
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Isn't there something in the constitution that says you can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal?


I doubt he was doing much.



 

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Isn't there something in the constitution that says you can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal?

You can't really punish a dead guy.
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Isn't there something in the constitution that says you can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal?

By that logic, how can creditors obtain restitution after ones death?
 

SSP

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Isn't there something in the constitution that says you can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal?

By that logic, how can creditors obtain restitution after ones death?

Creditors are employed by the devil himself, and as such, simply disappear with only their clothes remaining on the floor.
 

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Originally posted by: SSP
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Isn't there something in the constitution that says you can't be punished for doing something before it became illegal?

By that logic, how can creditors obtain restitution after ones death?

Creditors are employed by the devil himself, and as such, simply disappear with only their clothes remaining on the floor.

I think you're talking about collection agencies?
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
*sigh*


*pissed now*

why?

Arlington is a sacred place, one of peace that honors those that have become before us. It should not be disturbed for such a (relatively) trivial reason.