Killer whale nearly lives up to its name
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Gooberlx2
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Yeah, I heard about that through the grape-vine this morning...though the rumor I had heard was that the whale had no history of attacks.
Some bum was killed in Seaworld, Orlando when I was in Florida 3 years ago, when he managed to get on grounds and tried going for a swim with Shamu. Then there's the story whale who wouldn't release its trainer's body for a few days (play toy)...but I don't remember where or when that was. Ever wonder about those dolphins in the feeding pool that you're allowed to feed and touch? My friend that trained at SeaWorld told me that they were the rejects that couldn't be trained to a standard to be considered safe for shows.
Some bum was killed in Seaworld, Orlando when I was in Florida 3 years ago, when he managed to get on grounds and tried going for a swim with Shamu. Then there's the story whale who wouldn't release its trainer's body for a few days (play toy)...but I don't remember where or when that was. Ever wonder about those dolphins in the feeding pool that you're allowed to feed and touch? My friend that trained at SeaWorld told me that they were the rejects that couldn't be trained to a standard to be considered safe for shows.
UberNeuman
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Looks like the whale decided to remind the trainers why it's called a "KILLER WHALE."
/or maybe it's a Mess wit' your mind Whale...
/or maybe it's a Mess wit' your mind Whale...
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There's plenty of references available in regards to cetaceans in captivity. Comparing them to domesticated house pets is very inaccurate.
Double edged as in August Busch makes a TON of money off these places and a sizable amount does find its way into programs that benefit these animals in the wild.
OTOH, keeping animals in circular concrete pools that normally swim >100 miles a day, forage on live food (hunting), and depend on echolocation to see in turbid waters is borderline cruel. The water in the tanks is disinfected with hypochlorites and the ozone treatment system is so aggressive to maintain an acceptable level of ORP and turbidity suitable for public viewing it's disgusting.
Just the sonic aspect of what a small tank is to an animal's acoustorecption system is torture and if one reads publications by Naomi Rose, Ph.D. they will understand exactly why this is a problem.
I won't even begin to discuss their mental and social needs.
EDIT: The dolphins at the petting pool are actually trained to "tease" folks that want to pet them! They will come close and swim back however if you buy a box of fish from the booth for $5 they have no problem coming to you. I took some leave to visit Orlando earlier this month and have some pictures - some of the dolphins are actually not very healthy.
AgaBoogaBoo
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You make a lot of useful posts with good information, and this is the one time I've caught a typo and so I've bolded it for you
I saw something in the news about seals attacking too... idk whats up with this stuff....
that sucks for the trainer, i bet he's thinkin' of a new job lol
that sucks for the trainer, i bet he's thinkin' of a new job lol
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
There's plenty of references available in regards to cetaceans in captivity. Comparing them to domesticated house pets is very inaccurate.
Double edged as in August Busch makes a TON of money off these places and a sizable amount does find its way into programs that benefit these animals in the wild.
OTOH, keeping animals in circular concrete pools that normally swim >100 miles a day, forage on live food (hunting), and depend on echolocation to see in turbid waters is borderline cruel. The water in the tanks is disinfected with hypochlorites and the ozone treatment system is so aggressive to maintain an acceptable level of ORP and turbidity suitable for public viewing it's disgusting.
Just the sonic aspect of what a small tank is to an animal's acoustorecption system is torture and if one reads publications by Naomi Rose, Ph.D. they will understand exactly why this is a problem.
I won't even begin to discuss their mental and social needs.
EDIT: The dolphins at the petting pool are actually trained to "tease" folks that want to pet them! They will come close and swim back however if you buy a box of fish from the booth for $5 they have no problem coming to you. I took some leave to visit Orlando earlier this month and have some pictures - some of the dolphins are actually not very healthy.
I don't know about that...I live in florida, I visit the parks..the dolphin feedings are very controlled.
They get alot of socialization though.
Perhaps post your findings on their poor water and other lacking cares. Then post about why they ended up at one of the 'sea worlds'.
The animals that like feeding are the sea lions.
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I'm not saying their care is poor, just the conditions they live under are far different than natural sea water. They are a business and it would be prohibitively expensive to have such a system in place that would provide aforementioned conditions.
The facilities overall are top notch including areas that I got a tour of that visitors don't see.
DrPizza
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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
You make a lot of useful posts with good information, and this is the one time I've caught a typo and so I've bolded it for you
Guess that disproves the rumor that I'm a bot. :laugh:
EUREKA! That's it!!!! That's why they fail at creating artificial intelligence. Their creations don't make mistakes. Create a robot that has a typo every 100 words, and you'll fool everyone.
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alkemyst
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That's the catch 22 of zoos in general. Most of the time though the original animals they receive either are endangered and/or damaged in some way that survival in the wild would not be likely.
A zoo's usual hope is to promote breeding and help add to the numbers of those endangered.
However; no zoo can really give all the space a creature gets in the wild...that is the role of preserves and sanctuaries though.
The behind the scenes tours are great at these types of parks if you enjoy learning about animals.
Two weeks ago or so I took time to go to those cat (like domestic) sanctuary: www.10thlife.org They have over 1000 cats there.
alkemyst
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I will add as a Zoologist as my main doctrine...many animals kept in captivity should not be...however; getting humans to stop killing them is the battle.
You get them in a sanctuary, preserve or zoo and you can stop a lot of it.
Many animals do well in 'captivity', but like our children that captivity is often subpar.
I own 3 cats right now (all brothers), they are very happy creatures. Love to see my wife and I come home to the point of being a little pesty....still we deal with that and give them the attention they waited to get.
They always have food and clean water (changed 2x a day) and a couple nice litterboxes always cleaned. It's a lot of work, but being a computer consultant younger I saw a lot of cats and dogs living in terrible conditions....bugs in their food, no water, litterboxes full in one cat families...etc.
Killer Whales do belong in the wild...most here aren't going to know Orcinus Orca is a member of the Mammalia Class yet alone the Cetacea Order though.
You get them in a sanctuary, preserve or zoo and you can stop a lot of it.
Many animals do well in 'captivity', but like our children that captivity is often subpar.
I own 3 cats right now (all brothers), they are very happy creatures. Love to see my wife and I come home to the point of being a little pesty....still we deal with that and give them the attention they waited to get.
They always have food and clean water (changed 2x a day) and a couple nice litterboxes always cleaned. It's a lot of work, but being a computer consultant younger I saw a lot of cats and dogs living in terrible conditions....bugs in their food, no water, litterboxes full in one cat families...etc.
Killer Whales do belong in the wild...most here aren't going to know Orcinus Orca is a member of the Mammalia Class yet alone the Cetacea Order though.
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: MS Dawn
Don't forget the Suborder Odontoceti.
I had forgotten.
I need to pick it up, but so long ago I wondered why not keep referring to them as their species. The answer was the illiterate name them really
.All I know is I donate far more money to animals than people.
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