Killer NIC pre-order - Should I get it?

[imported_tonjohn]

Originally posted by: cessna152
And, if this is Viral Marketing... Thats really not cool.

I have no affiliation with this company whatsoever.

Originally posted by: Tick

Originally posted by: tonjohn

Originally posted by: Tick
Oh FFS. The length of cable between your router and computer will make more difference than this card.

No, not really.

Yes, really.

No, not really. Since the card has its own processor and ram, it offloads some work from the CPU. While the benefit of this probably isn't very noticable (especially on highend systems) and definetly not worth the price they are asking, it would still have a great imparct than the lenght of cable between the router and computer. Most people don't even use cat5 cables that are long enough to have an impact on banwidth.

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: tonjohn

Originally posted by: djmihow
Noobie.

Oh wow! Thank you for adding so much to this thread! Your wise thoughts are much appreciated.

he added about as much as you did with your "uber 1337 killer nic"

you call us immature - we call it calling a spade a spade, it is a b.s. product

Thats fine if it a bs product. But lets be constructive and discuss facts, provide links, etc. I didn't know that asking other peoples thoughts on a product is unconstructive and immature but ok.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: tonjohn

Originally posted by: imaheadcase
Well the original poster DID buy a * BFG PhysX 128mb card, so he is pretty gullible for useless hardware.

Actually, I got my PhysX card months before it was released (had to sign an NDA) to aid in development.

I am in the Guild Hall program at SMU which is a premier game development program.

I am not gullible by any means, I just get a kick out of getting new hardware and toying with it. If money isn't an issue then why does it really matter?

If you think I'm ignorant, please come over to the steampowered.com forums and see what I know and don't know.

If you were actually a developer, you'd know that this product is snake oil. You have done nothing but post bullsht.

 

[imported_tonjohn]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If you were actually a developer, you'd know that this product is snake oil. You have done nothing but post bullsht.

Excuse me but what bs have I posted? I came here to ask a question - no more, no less. Instead I have found a forum full of trolls and flamers who just want to pick on the new kid.

Have the makers of this product done a good job of marketing hype/bs? Yes. Is this product incredibly overpriced? Yes. Have I said otherwise? No.

Seriously guys, if you have nothing constructive to add to this thread then please don't post.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: tonjohn
No, not really. Since the card has its own processor and ram, it offloads some work from the CPU. While the benefit of this probably isn't very noticable (especially on highend systems) and definetly not worth the price they are asking, it would still have a great imparct than the lenght of cable between the router and computer. Most people don't even use cat5 cables that are long enough to have an impact on banwidth.

Most server/workstation grade NIC's have built in "CPU" and cache. Since I work with Intel server NIC's (you know the ones powering your ISP?), even they take CPU hits at maximum throughput with teaming enabled.

The onboard memory is useless. Once you're transmitting at extremely high speeds, slower memory/cache is actually a bottleneck to network performance. Thats why the 10GbE backplane stuff uses high speed XDR. At 1GbE, its less of an issue, but the caching of a 1GbE NIC I'm pretty sure outpaces that of DDR2100 speeds. I'm going to take a guess and say that the added memory is solely for marketting purposes and has no bearing on any performance. If onboard memory was so important, you'd think that server GbE devices would have it. None of the server GbE NICs have onboard memory.

As for the performance PDF. The only thing I see is a lot of subjective testing that will probably end up different with every other person testing it. And lastly... PCI slot? C'mon PCI-X or PCI-E.

You can easily buy server grade Dual GbE NIC's for HALF the cost of the Killer NIC. And I will gaurantee you that they will beat it in redundancy (fault tolerance with 2 ports), raw speed (teaming with 2 ports), stability (Q&A'ed through a server environment with 99.99+ uptime), and features.

 

[imported_tonjohn]

dexvx,

Now that is what I'm talking about! Thank you for the very constructive and informative post, it is very much appreciated.

 

[Lord Evermore]

He said the same things the rest of us did. He just didn't make it obvious he was laughing at you for even considering it.

 

[imported_tonjohn]

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
He said the same things the rest of us did. He just didn't make it obvious he was laughing at you for even considering it.

lol, good lord you guys are sad.

Does putting other people down make you feel better about yourself?

 

[bX510]

I would actually like to see someone buy this and make a video of them isntalling it and testing it out, and maybe destroying it.

 

[imported_tonjohn]

Originally posted by: bX510
I would actually like to see someone buy this and make a video of them isntalling it and testing it out, and maybe destroying it.

lol, email Kyle Bennett of HardOCP and I'm sure that he would probably do it.

One year at quakecon they had a Phantom gaming console and they smashed it to pieces with a hammer in front of about a thousand people.

 

[MonkeyFaces]

Anyone who buys that gets a paperweight, a copy of fear, and a shirt that is good if you don't have a y chromosome or resent having one. Sounds like $280 well spent.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: tonjohn

Originally posted by: BoberFett
If you were actually a developer, you'd know that this product is snake oil. You have done nothing but post bullsht.

Excuse me but what bs have I posted? I came here to ask a question - no more, no less. Instead I have found a forum full of trolls and flamers who just want to pick on the new kid.

Have the makers of this product done a good job of marketing hype/bs? Yes. Is this product incredibly overpriced? Yes. Have I said otherwise? No.

Seriously guys, if you have nothing constructive to add to this thread then please don't post.

You are a real piece of work. You are 15 posts into your membership here, and already flaming and trolling. Yes, trolling. How? Well, let's look at one of your posts in the Steam thread

Originally posted by Rhondo H. Slade
Just on the face of it, this thing's promise of improvement sounds even MORE dubious, to me, than the PhysX card you just got.
"Snake Oil", anyone?
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While it may not live up to the marketing hype, it definetly isn't snake oil. This thing is much more useful than the PhysX card since it effects anything you do on the internet.

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Originally posted by Juvenile24
soo this card will only benefit in online gaming? or will it in online downloading/p2p?
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It will effect everything network related. It is a NIC, just like the one you have now. However, it has its own processor and memory so that the CPU has less work to do.

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Originally posted by Beer_N_Cookies
seeing how fast broadspeed's are getting It won't be wise to get.

Huh?

So, if you were just here to ask a question, how come you were spouting off over there, as if you knew something about it? :disgust: You went as far as to proclaim it as much more useful than the physx card. You proclaimed it as definitely not snakeoil. So can the innocent question bullshat, you were doing a viral there, you tried it here=No sale. Then you have the audacity to call us a forum full of flamers and trolls? STFU and stop posting. Look, a self-fulfilling prophecy. :light:

 

[JAG87]

I would just like to say that this piece of hardware is for the classic cs 1.6 noob who thinks that having a 300 dollars NIC will make him headshot better. This product has honestly no function whatsoever in a system, and even if it did, for the benefits it provides it should not cost more then 100 dollars. Please stay away from such marketing bull, I am suprised jon wendel did not get his name on this piece of crap.

 

[dcr]

I usually spend $5 on NICs, so $280 is insane to me.

If it does what it says, cool, but if not...

Personally, I will wait to see if any early adopters take the bait, review it, generate interest and eventually lower the prices as more manufacturers make it.

 

[imported_tonjohn]

DAPUNISHER,

I claim that is is more useful than the PhysX card because you don't have to program games to take advantage of it. Also, it seems that the PhysX cards have little to no benefit in the games that support it - people can play CellFactor without the card and get the same performance of people who do have the card.

And what is wrong with the other statement you highlighted? While the performance claims may not be anywhere near what the company claims, it does offload some work from the CPU which is always a good thing.

These claims of viral marketing are rather rediculous and I do not appreciate it. Please mate, grow up.

 

[cessna152]

Gotta see it from their point of view. You joined on the 5th. We've had a few viral marketers come thru before. No disrespect from me, but that is how it comes across.

On a discussion point, very little is required from the cpu to craft the TCP/IP packets to be sent across the network. I really doubt thats the major bottleneck in the chain. If anything, your ISP is the point of contention.

 

[imaheadcase]

Originally posted by: tonjohn

Originally posted by: imaheadcase
Well the original poster DID buy a * BFG PhysX 128mb card, so he is pretty gullible for useless hardware.

Actually, I got my PhysX card months before it was released (had to sign an NDA) to aid in development.

I am in the Guild Hall program at SMU which is a premier game development program.

I am not gullible by any means, I just get a kick out of getting new hardware and toying with it. If money isn't an issue then why does it really matter?

If you think I'm ignorant, please come over to the steampowered.com forums and see what I know and don't know.

steampowered.com forums..you keep digging your hole deeper don't you. lol

 

[imported_tonjohn]

Originally posted by: cessna152
Gotta see it from their point of view. You joined on the 5th. We've had a few viral marketers come thru before. No disrespect from me, but that is how it comes across.

I understand but my credentials can be easily checked by going here. Is there any other things I can do to prove I'm in no way affiliated with the makers of this product?

Anyways, there are some good threads on this over at HardOCP:
The killer has arrived.. ugh.
Just when you thought it wouldnt end, an NPU

 

[imported_Tick]

Originally posted by: tonjohn

Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
He said the same things the rest of us did. He just didn't make it obvious he was laughing at you for even considering it.

lol, good lord you guys are sad.

Does putting other people down make you feel better about yourself?

No, we just hope it will encourage you to get out of these forums. Forever.

 

[450R]

Originally posted by: tonjohn
I understand but my credentials can be easily checked by going here.

Well, that puts me at ease.

Can someone PM me when this reaches the hot deals section? I would like to purchase one at discount and detach the sharp shiny thing on it and make a belt buckle or Bosnian Army knife.

 

[Mem]

Price: $279.99

Not worth it,if you got that much cash to spare, invest it in more ram or video card,this will improve your gaming more then any NIC.

 

[Maximilian]

Hell no!! Theyve got those advertised on battle.net. Thats like buying a solid gold pen instead of a plastic bic, its just for show. Heh and you wont be showing it to anyone as itll be inside your case Unless you have a window.

 

[BoberFett]

Here's a "whitepaper" by the founder of the company:

http://web.syr.edu/~maloprie/stuff/White_Paper_on_Lag_final.pdf

Hilarious. I especially love the quote "Latency is not a cause of lag today." And check out the picture of the doofus at the end of the whitepaper. Come on, use a professional photo. Not one that your buddy took in your kitchen.

 

[450R]

That "white paper" is the worst POS I've ever read. It's difficult to read because the author writes like a 7 year old that took random "big" words out of a newspaper and inserted them blindly into their homework without knowing what any of it meant. I was going to point out some of the more idiotic errors but I felt like a toilet commenting on a turd. No ... there's only one quote that can cover this:

"Mr. [Harlen T. Beverly], what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

 

[cessna152]

This generator would produce a better paper:

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/

 

[cmdrdredd]

I fail to see why you will use intergrated audio until creative releases a PCIx card...what purpose will a PCIx version have? I doubt very very highly that a soundcard can saturate a standard PCI Bus.

And that NIC...it's for suckers