Kill me to Cure me

[gsethi]

What is the Limit ?

Cliffs: (The Video is LONG ~50 min)
- Doctor's/Scientists stop the heart of patient (for ~17 min) and perform brain surgery. (they cool down the blood, slow down the metabolism and body activity rate)
- Then they revive him (heat the blood)
- Patient has no memory loss and is perfectly fine after recovering from surgery.

 

[confused1234]

ive heard of this years ago. its pretty interesting, although i would never sign up to do it

 

[FilmCamera]

Originally posted by: confused1234
ive heard of this years ago. its pretty interesting, although i would never sign up to do it

If you had an anyerism you probably would. Either that or you could just go *POP* and drop dead at any time.

 

[shoegazer]

If the person can be brought back to consciousness it definitely isn't death. So, no, science is not playing with death.

 

[chambersc]

Who cares. Ends justify means = I'm all for it.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: shoegazer
If the person can be brought back to consciousness it definitely isn't death. So, no, science is not playing with death.

What is Defination of Death ?

You can always keep a person on Life Support machine and there is always a chance that he can be brought back to consciousness.

EDIT: I am not against the procedure. It is just really interesting and I am wondering as to how far we can go....

 

[Gibsons]

Bone marrow transplants involve killing and saving as well.

 

[shoegazer]

I consider death to be the permanent end of consciousness. Stopping someones heart certainly is not death because hearts can be transplanted.

It gets a bit more interesting when you consider the possibility of brains being transplanted.

 

[gsethi]

Originally posted by: shoegazer
I consider death to be the permanent end of consciousness. Stopping someones heart certainly is not death because hearts can be transplanted.

It gets a bit more interesting when you consider the possibility of brains being transplanted.

so all those people in hospitals lying in deep coma and/or on life support machines are essentially dead ?

It becomes too confusing....how would you determine if a person is dead or not when there is always a chance of that person returning back to consciousness (while lying on life support machine for years).

 

[shoegazer]

They are only dead if they have no potential to be brought back to consciousness. Of course, medicine is likely to advance to the point that they will be able to be brought back to consciousness (given a long enough time for the techniques to develop). So, they could all be considered alive.

This is obviously problematic as our hospitals would overflow with people on life support since most states do not allow for assisted suicide.

The definition of death is far more tricky than most people realize.

The stoppage of ones heart was at one point the definition of death. That changed when medicine allowed for hearts to be started again or replaced. The current medical definition of death is brain death. But this too is fairly arbitrary and was thrown together in order to free up hospital resources and increase the availability of donor organs (since taking organs from a technically living person would not go over well with the public).

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: gsethi

Originally posted by: shoegazer
I consider death to be the permanent end of consciousness. Stopping someones heart certainly is not death because hearts can be transplanted.

It gets a bit more interesting when you consider the possibility of brains being transplanted.

so all those people in hospitals lying in deep coma and/or on life support machines are essentially dead ?

It becomes too confusing....how would you determine if a person is dead or not when there is always a chance of that person returning back to consciousness (while lying on life support machine for years).

yes. this is why terry schiavo's feeding tube was able to be removed legally. life ends with consciousness.