Kidnapped Italian Reporter Freed...Then Shot at by US Forces (Italian Secret Service Agent Killed)

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Aegeon

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you've seen Control Room, you'd already know the US military isn't above assassinating journalists they don't like.

I'm sure there will be some "intelligence" or "insurgent chatter" that will surface about an attempt to suicide bomb a US checkpoint that very same day :roll:

I hope our military's ability to win hearts and minds translates into a full Itailian withdrawal of support from Iraq.
Frankly this is an outright illogical position. I haven't seen any explanation on why the US wouldn't have made it appear to be an insurgent attack to avoid the bad press from things going the way it did. It also makes no sense on why the US would have stopped with what is actually a fairly limited machine gun burst. If it was an assassination attempt, they should have kept firing until they were sure everyone was dead. While slighly worse PR on one hand, that way there wouldn't have been anyone to contradict claims that they were outright inexplicably trying to run a road block. This incident doesn't make sense if you examine it as an assassination attempt given the other options the US had and what they could have done different with the incident itself if that had been the case.
 

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the euros have gotta stop with the appeasement. they paid for her release right? atleast thats what ive heard,..considering thats what they've done recently before...wasn't it 8 million last time? money to buy equipement to kill and maim more americans. more smiles on euros faces. and for a far left wing reporter too. nitwits to choose kidnapping her.. course i guess it worked anyways.
 

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[ "An Iraqi lawmaker, Youdaam Youssef Kanna, told Belgian state TV Saturday evening that he had ''nonofficial'' information a $1 million ransom was paid for Sgrena's release, Apcom reported from Brussels."

''The Americans must be firmly reminded to respect human and civil rules,'' the ANSA news agency quoted Mirko Tremaglia, minister for Italians abroad, as saying." ]
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We need to respect human and civil rules? While Sgrena's supposed ranson is ensuring these "groups" are able to keep planting IED's and making car bombs ect...? Hmmm, I dun get it.. She shouldn't even be in Iraq. Period.


[ In her article, Sgrena wrote that her captors warned her as she was about to be released not to signal her presence to anyone, because ''the Americans might intervene.'' ]

This statement may go a long way in explaining her rescuers fatal mistake. Why did she heed her captors warning?

I guess we know where her allegiance lies.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you've seen Control Room, you'd already know the US military isn't above assassinating journalists they don't like.

I'm sure there will be some "intelligence" or "insurgent chatter" that will surface about an attempt to suicide bomb a US checkpoint that very same day :roll:

I hope our military's ability to win hearts and minds translates into a full Itailian withdrawal of support from Iraq.

And you hope Iraq falls into utter chaos and everything collapses and America fails. Thanks for telling us how you really feel. What good we would have gotten out of killing this Italian journalist? Just use some common sense - oh wait, thats asking too much.

I remember a Russian convoy was shot up during "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and illiberals were having a wild party and were gleeful that they might have a case against the military. They were proven wrong.

So let me get this straight, the radical extremist leftists, such as yourself, want all the coalition members to get out of Iraq so America would be alone and thus, things would get more out of hand. The ultimate goal of that is the downfall of Bush, but that comes at our nation's security, the well being of our troops.

You radical leftists are so desperate and you hate Bush that much, that you actually want America to fail in Iraq. Thats what I interpret for all the posts. You could care less about the lives of soldiers or the damage it would do to our nation's national security. All you're concerned with is bringing down Bush.

Sad.

I'm glad people like you were put away during WW2, and thank god for that. Can you imagine us conducting a worldwide operation with all these radical leftists? They would have opposed our retaliation against Japan after Pearl Harbor let alone dropping the two nuclear bombs. We had thousands of casualties per day but this once patriotic country rallied behind our soldiers and teamed up to defeat the evil Nazis (the modern equivalent are the Islamo-fascists).

But now, instead of supporting our troops and uniting with our fellow Americans, some people are openly calling for America's failure. Some people even call our military thugs and gangsters. :(

If this was WW2, can you imagine what kinds of words these people would use against our brave servicemen?

How far we have fallen.

You don't have to look very far to see that first hand (umm...a mirror?), believe me. After I read your ridiculous, oversimplified comparison of WWII (a well deserved, well fought war) versus Iraq (we lied to get in it, we're lying to get through it).

America hasn't changed. If we again faced a real threat to the security of the free world (like Nazi Germany), I have no doubt an overwhelming majority of the country would support the war effort.

America deserves absolutely no praise or reward for Iraq. What a pitiful war, and what a pitiful comparison to one of the great struggles of modern humanity that was WWII.
 

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Originally posted by: Tylanner
I guess we know where her allegiance lies.

Yeah, probably not with the people who almost killed her. :roll:
 

Tylanner

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Tylanner
I guess we know where her allegiance lies.

Yeah, probably not with the people who almost killed her. :roll:

Of course not, her allegiance, along with 1 mil, is apparently with her kidnappers and Nobel hunger.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
If you've seen Control Room, you'd already know the US military isn't above assassinating journalists they don't like.

I'm sure there will be some "intelligence" or "insurgent chatter" that will surface about an attempt to suicide bomb a US checkpoint that very same day :roll:

I hope our military's ability to win hearts and minds translates into a full Itailian withdrawal of support from Iraq.

Yep. I think they should pull out immediately. U.S. treatment of the Italians is nothing short of despicable.

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Tylanner
I guess we know where her allegiance lies.

Yeah, probably not with the people who almost killed her. :roll:

Of course not, her allegiance, along with 1 mil, is apparently with her kidnappers and Nobel hunger.

Her allegiance is with surviving. And she did just that despite the best efforts of the U.S.
Tough fvcking cookie. You on the other hand would have shat all over yourself.
 

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So that's the motive for trying to assassinate her? Seems plausible to me. Thanks.[/quote]

No, but it's why her personal recollection of the incident is pretty much inadmissible...

It's like if one of the left TV stations here would happen to discover "Damning Bush Military Records", you just can't trust it on a whim.[/quote]

Uh...but the information in those "records" was true. But they weren't actual copies of the originals. The information contained in the "records" was verified by the same woman who typed the originals.

The scam did have the desired effect of removing Bush's failure to fulfill his military service completely from the debate and coincidentally just after Kerry's military service had been dragged through the mud by Republican funded liars for the entire preceding month.

Reminiscent of a certain Texas election where a "bug" just happened to turn up in Karl Rove's office. ;)

 

Starbuck1975

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What is this country coming to when our allies found out that the word of our enemies rings truer than our own? I am truly ashamed.

Something smells about this whole situation, and not just the shooting incident.

1. This reporter writes for and has allegiances to Communist political organizations in Italy. She is already predisposed against America, as is evident in her writings. I certainly didn't expect her account of the situation to be very flattering, although I certainly question her allegations that her captors "warned her of the Americans" and that they were simply cruising down the road when the soldiers at the checkpoint just opened fire...her account is far more suspicious then those of the soldiers, yet some of you are willing to just accept it as truth right away.
2. She is now singing the praises of her captors, who days earlier were ready to behead her.

What is this country coming to when our own people are willing to accept as truth every story that sheds a negative light on our operations in Iraq...pretty sad that some of you probably smile with glee after every mistake, blunder, negative story or inkling of American corruption in Iraq...I am truly ashamed.
:disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
What is this country coming to when our allies found out that the word of our enemies rings truer than our own? I am truly ashamed.

Something smells about this whole situation, and not just the shooting incident.

1. This reporter writes for and has allegiances to Communist political organizations in Italy. She is already predisposed against America, as is evident in her writings. I certainly didn't expect her account of the situation to be very flattering, although I certainly question her allegations that her captors "warned her of the Americans" and that they were simply cruising down the road when the soldiers at the checkpoint just opened fire...her account is far more suspicious then those of the soldiers, yet some of you are willing to just accept it as truth right away.
2. She is now singing the praises of her captors, who days earlier were ready to behead her.

What is this country coming to when our own people are willing to accept as truth every story that sheds a negative light on our operations in Iraq...pretty sad that some of you probably smile with glee after every mistake, blunder, negative story or inkling of American corruption in Iraq...I am truly ashamed.
:disgust:

Where are those writings that show her predisposition against America?

Is refusing to "embed" anti-American? Is being independent and reporting what is happening in Iraq anti-American?

With what the U.S. is doing over there any honest report would of course appear anti-American.

That's why the U.S. military wants all reporters embedded and shoots at those who aren't.

 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
What is this country coming to when our allies found out that the word of our enemies rings truer than our own? I am truly ashamed.

Something smells about this whole situation, and not just the shooting incident.

1. This reporter writes for and has allegiances to Communist political organizations in Italy. She is already predisposed against America, as is evident in her writings. I certainly didn't expect her account of the situation to be very flattering, although I certainly question her allegations that her captors "warned her of the Americans" and that they were simply cruising down the road when the soldiers at the checkpoint just opened fire...her account is far more suspicious then those of the soldiers, yet some of you are willing to just accept it as truth right away.
2. She is now singing the praises of her captors, who days earlier were ready to behead her.

What is this country coming to when our own people are willing to accept as truth every story that sheds a negative light on our operations in Iraq...pretty sad that some of you probably smile with glee after every mistake, blunder, negative story or inkling of American corruption in Iraq...I am truly ashamed.
:disgust:

Couldn't agree more. It's certainly sad she was wounded and anotehr killed, but they were traveling at night at high speed toward a checkpoint on the most donagerous stretch of road in Iraq. To the soldiers credit, they shot out the engine block, unfortunately shrapnel from the engine block caused the injuries.

I think anyone who views this incident as a deliberate act of our soldiers to assasinate a civilian is simply despicable.
 

Starbuck1975

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Where are those writings that show her predisposition against America? Is refusing to "embed" anti-American? Is being independent and reporting what is happening in Iraq anti-American? With what the U.S. is doing over there any honest report would of course appear anti-American. That's why the U.S. military wants all reporters embedded and shoots at those who aren't.

Her independent writings have been largely critical of the American occupation, which many others in this thread have already cited as the motive for the American soldiers to assasinate her.

She is a self-proclaimed Communist, and last time I checked, European socialists and communists rarely if ever have anything nice to say about America...she has a motive to make up stories to paint us in a negative light.

The U.S embeds reporters because otherwise they receive criticism for restricting the press from having access to combat zones, or endangering reporters who choose to enter combat zones unidentified...damned if you do damned if you don't.

I have come to no conclusions yet on this story...I was not there...neither were you...it just amuses me that the same group of people on these forums are willing to accept as truth any negative criticism or accusations directed against America and our deployed soldiers.

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Where are those writings that show her predisposition against America? Is refusing to "embed" anti-American? Is being independent and reporting what is happening in Iraq anti-American? With what the U.S. is doing over there any honest report would of course appear anti-American. That's why the U.S. military wants all reporters embedded and shoots at those who aren't.

Her independent writings have been largely critical of the American occupation, which many others in this thread have already cited as the motive for the American soldiers to assasinate her.

She is a self-proclaimed Communist, and last time I checked, European socialists and communists rarely if ever have anything nice to say about America...she has a motive to make up stories to paint us in a negative light.

The U.S embeds reporters because otherwise they receive criticism for restricting the press from having access to combat zones, or endangering reporters who choose to enter combat zones unidentified...damned if you do damned if you don't.

I have come to no conclusions yet on this story...I was not there...neither were you...it just amuses me that the same group of people on these forums are willing to accept as truth any negative criticism or accusations directed against America and our deployed soldiers.

Frankly, I can't think of any truthful thing that this government has told us about in the last 5 years. So why should I blindly believe them?
 

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What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.

There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.



There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.

And you know that how????

http://www.orbat.com/
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.



There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.

And you know that how????

http://www.orbat.com/

The Italian reporter (and the surviving Intelligence agent) has already told the story to Italian law-enforcement agencies.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.



There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.

And you know that how????

http://www.orbat.com/

The Italian reporter (and the surviving Intelligence agent) has already told the story to Italian law-enforcement agencies.

So because anyone but a US source reports a story that is contrary to a US version, you would believe the non-US version??

Until proven otherwise, I prefer to believe the account of US troops over that of a journalist who thinks so highly of herself that she would be a target of assasination. If she were in fact such a target, I can asssure you the US would not have missed. Marine snipers or other special operators are extemely effective.

She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple as that. Checkpoints in many cases are roving, just like here in the States when cops set up roaming drunk driving checkpoints.

The checkpoint they ran into very well may have been one of the roaming ones. They should have coordinated their actions with US and Iraqi security forces before traveling at night.

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.



There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.

And you know that how????

http://www.orbat.com/

The Italian reporter (and the surviving Intelligence agent) has already told the story to Italian law-enforcement agencies.

So because anyone but a US source reports a story that is contrary to a US version, you would believe the non-US version??

Frankly, YES I DO.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.



There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.

And you know that how????

http://www.orbat.com/

The Italian reporter (and the surviving Intelligence agent) has already told the story to Italian law-enforcement agencies.

So because anyone but a US source reports a story that is contrary to a US version, you would believe the non-US version??

Until proven otherwise, I prefer to believe the account of US troops over that of a journalist who thinks so highly of herself that she would be a target of assasination. If she were in fact such a target, I can asssure you the US would not have missed. Marine snipers or other special operators are extemely effective.

She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple as that. Checkpoints in many cases are roving, just like here in the States when cops set up roaming drunk driving checkpoints.

The checkpoint they ran into very well may have been one of the roaming ones. They should have coordinated their actions with US and Iraqi security forces before traveling at night.

Yeah the U.S. never misses. Look at Castro.
How long did it take us to find Saddam?
We're only perfect and invincible in your mind.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: arsbanned
What is this country coming to? Let me tell you: It's divided. It's a mess. This is about perception as much as it's about anything. The
World, including many Americans, believes that this woman was deliberately targeted by U.S. troops. Of course the blind Bush defenders will attempt
to paint this as another "victory". They seem unwilling to face reality.

What victory?? The reality is this woman was in a car at night on the most dangerous highway in Iraq and failed to stop. The miracle is teh troops did not open fire to kill, but only to stop a car they felt was a threat. With as many car bombs going off as there are, I would not have any problem if ROE for our troops was to shoot to kill instead of disable.



There was no checkpoint, they weren't speeding... the U.S. is lying their asses off about this.

And you know that how????

http://www.orbat.com/

The Italian reporter (and the surviving Intelligence agent) has already told the story to Italian law-enforcement agencies.

So because anyone but a US source reports a story that is contrary to a US version, you would believe the non-US version??

Until proven otherwise, I prefer to believe the account of US troops over that of a journalist who thinks so highly of herself that she would be a target of assasination. If she were in fact such a target, I can asssure you the US would not have missed. Marine snipers or other special operators are extemely effective.

She was in the wrong place at the wrong time, simple as that. Checkpoints in many cases are roving, just like here in the States when cops set up roaming drunk driving checkpoints.

The checkpoint they ran into very well may have been one of the roaming ones. They should have coordinated their actions with US and Iraqi security forces before traveling at night.

Yeah the U.S. never misses. Look at Castro.
We got Bin Laden, right?
How long did it take us to find Saddam?
We're only perfect and invincible in your mind.
 

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Who cares if she was just freed from being a prisoner. It's her own damn fault! Who else are we supposed to blame? The US? Pffft. Yeah, like we're less than perfect in everything we do.













Apologists suck.