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Kickin' it with Windows Mojave

Ichinisan

Ichinisan

Lifer
It really is waaay better than Vista. Vista is GARBAGE!

Mojave is so far ahead of its time, it should have been called "Windows 9."




Seriously, though. People are extremely vulnerable to the power of suggestion.
 
The main reason Vista got a bad rep was partly because of initial hardware incompatibility/poor driver support. Which wasn't entirely Microsoft's fault, really, but it made me frustrated with Vista when I first used it.

The other reason was UAC. UAC isn't a bad feature now, but it was annoying going from XP to Vista when Vista was prompting you for seemingly every single task.

I told a lot of people (non-techie friends and family) not to get Vista at the time. I'm sure a lot of people here did the same. So when Vista was finally perfectly usable and stable (especially after SP1), even people who had no first-hand experience with it knew it by it's bad reputation. Yes, people are vulnerable to the power of suggestion, but it's not surprising given that none of us can be experts on everything. We often have to rely on intuition, out-of-date information, "expert" opinions, and potentially flawed memories of past experiences. As long as you, as an individual, question your own opinions and try to determine and counteract what biases you may have, you'll be able to make rational decisions... at least most of the time.

I don't think anyone who avoided Vista really missed out on anything, considering 7 was better and was mostly polished right from the beginning. The same can be said of 8.1 and 10.
 
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UAC in Vista was VERY, VERY intrusive. They really toned it down in Windows 7. It made all the difference.

I had Vista installed on my laptop and absolutely despised it. It was as if the engineers never actually used it, because I couldn't imagine anyone using it actually thinking it was nice to use.
 
vista had performance issues, especially when compared to XP.

the near constant hdd thrashing drove people crazy.

vista tried to do too much too soon. Win 7 got it right and it's what vista should have been in the first place.
 
Some of the complaints about Vista weren't justified, but a lot of them were. A lot of the compatibility issues were the fault of device manufacturers and not Microsoft. I've got a perfectly good scanner collecting dust in the basement because Canon never released Drivers for Vista/7.

On the other hand, Vista was a resource pig and UAC was very intrusive. A lot of "Vista Compatible" computers ran like cold molasses. Most of these problems were fixed in 7.

Windows 8 had issues with its multiple personalities. It's wanted to be a tablet OS and a desktop OS at the same time.

Windows 10 is hampered by a Microsoft who's desperately trying to be Google. As an OS, it's a big improvement over its predecessor. What's bogging it down is some rather anti-consumer policies coming out of Redmond. I suspect Satya Nadella is behind a lot of this nonsense. I think they need to find themselves a new CEO.
 
mmntech said:
... A lot of the compatibility issues were the fault of device manufacturers and not Microsoft.
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mmntech said:
A lot of "Vista Compatible" computers ran like cold molasses.
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Well, Microsoft did cave to pressure from computer manufacturers to loosen the requirements for "Vista Certified" qualification. I bought a Gateway laptop for my sister around the time Vista was released -- and it was completely unusable from day-1. For years, I didn't really realize why. Before I sent the thing across the country, I spent 1-2 months tweaking scripts on the recovery partition to avoid installing bloatware in the first place, then doing "factory" restores from the progressively de-bloated recovery partition. I realy never got the machine to feel usable. To my sister, it felt like a downgrade from her first-gen Centrino laptop. I think there was a class action lawsuit against Microsoft.

mmntech said:
I've got a perfectly good scanner collecting dust in the basement because Canon never released Drivers for Vista/7.
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I've used my ancient Canon "LIDe" USB-powered scanners with Vista/7 64-bit.

mmntech said:
... UAC was very intrusive. ... Most of these problems were fixed in 7.
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How many times has a UAC prompt saved anyone from hijacking? It basically conditions people to accept / allow anything.
 
Ichinisan said:
How many times has a UAC prompt saved anyone from hijacking? It basically conditions people to accept / allow anything.
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Vista had a baffling trigger on UAC. With GNU/Linux, I pretty much always know ahead of time when I need root. Vista was a mystery "I have no idea why you're asking me this". That said, Vista was the last Windows I regularly used, and is still my favorite Windows(Haven't tried 10 at all).
 
Ichinisan said:
I've used my ancient Canon "LIDe" USB-powered scanners with Vista/7 64-bit.
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It's a CanoScan 5000f. Was a pretty good scanner when it was new back in 2003. Canon never made 64-bit drivers for it though. So it's not compatible with anything past XP. Nor does it work with Intel Macs.

Not that I use scanners that often, but I do have a backlog of old slides I want to get digitized. Be nice if I didn't have to buy a new one for that.
 
mmntech said:
It's a CanoScan 5000f. Was a pretty good scanner when it was new back in 2003. Canon never made 64-bit drivers for it though. So it's not compatible with anything past XP. Nor does it work with Intel Macs.

Not that I use scanners that often, but I do have a backlog of old slides I want to get digitized. Be nice if I didn't have to buy a new one for that.
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Have you tried the 5200f drivers?
 
lxskllr said:
Vista had a baffling trigger on UAC. With GNU/Linux, I pretty much always know ahead of time when I need root. Vista was a mystery "I have no idea why you're asking me this". That said, Vista was the last Windows I regularly used, and is still my favorite Windows(Haven't tried 10 at all).
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If you liked Windows Vista, then Windows 7 would have seemed like it was sent from heaven. Vista isn't even in the same league as 7 in terms of day-to-day usability...

...which is ironic considering that Windows 7 is arguably just Vista with a lot of tweaks.
 
I had several brief experiences with Vista. The biggest problem was the fundamental stability of the OS. I would get BSODs while doing the most basic things, Web browsing, using Office, etc. I have never used and Operating System so unstable as Vista. I didn't stick around for SP1, went back to XP and then to Windows 7, now on Windows 10. Windows 10 is great. Very happy with it.
 
I just realized my wife gets to be the guinea pig for all these other "bad" versions of windows. Since I build all my stuff, and I just buy her a cheap laptop to browse on she ended up with Vista, and Windows 8. Just from using them and tweaking them both on hers and fixing them every time she broke them, I knew I hated them and wouldn't dare put them on machines I actually used.
 
Eug said:
If you liked Windows Vista, then Windows 7 would have seemed like it was sent from heaven. Vista isn't even in the same league as 7 in terms of day-to-day usability...

...which is ironic considering that Windows 7 is arguably just Vista with a lot of tweaks.
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I've used 7. It was just Vista with an uglier interface. Taking support out of consideration, I'd run Vista over 7. I don't have a lot of experience with 8x, but my trials of it were favorable from a usage standpoint.
 
lxskllr said:
I've used 7. It was just Vista with an uglier interface. Taking support out of consideration, I'd run Vista over 7. I don't have a lot of experience with 8x, but my trials of it were favorable from a usage standpoint.
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They look nearly the same.
 
That said, I learned to live with Windows 7 and liked it much better than Vista, but it certainly did not fix everything.

Windows 7 did not give me a key sequence to fall back and re-initialize video without hardware acceleration, so it fails too.
Windows 7 did not restore the full functionality of the Control Box. When I need to unplug an SD card or USB drive from my notebook with Windows 10, I have the drive icon (invisible with Vista) but it still only gives me window management options when I right-click (same as left-click or alt space). They seem to forget the reason it changed to the current folder's icon in Windows 95 from the hyphen in Windows 3.x.
Windows 7 (and Windows 10) still has plenty of "is it loading or locked up?" black screens during the install and boot process. Windows 9x, 2K, ME, and XP made sure not to do this.
 
mmntech said:
Windows 10 is hampered by a Microsoft who's desperately trying to be Google. As an OS, it's a big improvement over its predecessor. What's bogging it down is some rather anti-consumer policies coming out of Redmond. I suspect Satya Nadella is behind a lot of this nonsense. I think they need to find themselves a new CEO.
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I tried Windows 10 on two laptops since July. It is an improvement in performance and compatibility. It is a massive regression in terms of intrusiveness and as you put it, anti-consumer policies. Rather than wait for MS to stop trying to be Google, I've reverted one laptop to Windows 7 (with recommended updates set to manual to avoid Win10 GWX/telemetry/other backported nonsense) and installed Linux Mint on the other.

I may actually end up going *nix for my main OS and just run the very few things I need Windows for in a VM. I am NOT happy with the direction Redmond is going.
 
It's the direction all companies are going. FB and Google (and in some ways Amazon) have proven that most people simply don't care, even many of the tech people will defend what they are doing. It's pretty insane how so many people think it isn't a big deal and are willing to give up all privacy just to use a product. Windows 10 may be a 'better' OS, but it certainly isn't the step in the right direction and should be avoided or extremely crippled. Yea, so there are plenty here who will flame about how wonderful it is and how tin foil hat it is to talk like this, but this is just a step into the future, and it doesn't look good. An OS should function to do YOUR tasks and do that first, not collect data for a company to control and/or make money off of you. This is Xbox One all over again.
 
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waffleironhead said:
Have you tried the 5200f drivers?
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Yeah, no dice.

Got about ten carousels I meant to digitize years ago. I'll probably end up just renting a pro grade slide scanner from the photography store. My dad had bought an el cleapo one awhile back, but it's as useless as tits on a bull.
 
ImpulsE69 said:
It's the direction all companies are going. FB and Google (and in some ways Amazon) have proven that most people simply don't care, even many of the tech people will defend what they are doing. It's pretty insane how so many people think it isn't a big deal and are willing to give up all privacy just to use a product. Windows 10 may be a 'better' OS, but it certainly isn't the step in the right direction and should be avoided or extremely crippled. Yea, so there are plenty here who will flame about how wonderful it is and how tin foil hat it is to talk like this, but this is just a step into the future, and it doesn't look good. An OS should function to do YOUR tasks and do that first, not collect data for a company to control and/or make money off of you. This is Xbox One all over again.
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The way I look at it is that any device that is capable of sending and receiving a signal over a network has the potential to be monitored and tracked and no O.S. is truly safe if some entity wants to invade your privacy bad enough.

And in any case if you plan to do anything illicit online your best bet has always been to not use Windows, OSX, (or anything common among consumers) and to not use your personal internet connection.
 
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