Kibbo's election platform

Kibbo

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This post is inspired by Stunt's Platform. Looked like fun, so I thought I'd hop on the bandwagon.

International laws/institutions.

The yardstick for military intervention would be changed. Military force would be unilaterally appropriate when in immediate danger of imminent attack, or in response to an attack. This would include state-sponsored terrorist attack. It would be legal when sanctioned by the UN in the following circumstances:

1)Immediate humanitarian crisis created by or not prevented by that state's government. Ie: mass killings, genocide, blockades leading to starvation. Litmus test will be the amount of human life in immediate danger. Natural disasters wouldn't count, but depriving aid through blockades might

2)Recent overthrow of a democratic government. If ever, in a democratic state, the executive, military or other group deprives the elected legislature of reasonable law-making power, outside intervention would be permissable. The test of the legitimacy of a government would have to take into account the honesty of elections, etc.

3)In a military conflict, UN approved or otherwise, the intentional targeting or reckless disregard for civillian casualties on a large, systematic scale. Napalming cities would count, individial soldier's excesses might not.

A terrorist attack would be defined as any attack by a non-state actor which explicitly and intentionally targets civillians.

The UN security council's voting would be revised so that no one country would have veto power, instead the permanent members' votes would have 3x the weight of non-permanent members.

The permanent seats would fall as follows: US, EU, Russia,China,Brazil,India,Japan and South Africa.

I'd like to include one country from the Middle East or North Africa, but I can't think of an appropriate one.

Each great power's region would have two other seats on the council, which would cycle through the way they are today. Their votes would each be worth 1x.

The point of this is to continue the cycling of seats among less powerful states, but to keep the basic balance of power intact through each large power's sphere of influence.

Canada's foreign policy:

In general, it would support the principles above. This is why I went into so much detail.

US policy: Border policy, security checks on immigrants and refugees, and coastal supervision would be developped in partnership with American security forces.

Trade should be expanded in any dimension that wouldn't threaten Canadian domestic policy or culture.

Military Policy: Spending should be increased, most especially in the Navy. We should have a significant Naval presence in the North, as well as be able to pull our weight in terms of coastal surveillance. Army and Airforce should specialize in fast reaction forces designed for humanitarian, peacekeeping and just a few dimensions of more aggressive, high-risk interactions. Perhaps recon, high-risk patrol, or special forces. The key is to specialize so that for those particular tasks, Canadian soldiers become in demand by our allies, and we can thus contribute our share in international affairs.

Foreign aid should be focused, perhaps on just one or two countries. Special attention should be paid to Africa, and help with their aids crisis.

Fiscal policy

A flat income tax should be introduced. This will reduce the disincentive effects that progressive taxation can impose on savings, thus leading to increased productivity. Capital gains and corporate taxes should be reduced or eliminated.

Consumption taxes would also be considered. Perhaps a blend of a consumption or a VAT tax with the income tax.

The key is simplicity in the tax structure.

Social programs:

A universal income supplement (of perhaps 4800$ a year) will be distributed to all. An additional credit (of maybe 2000$) per child in a household will be distributed. This is regardless of income, work habits, anything.

All other explicitly redistributive programs will be ended. EI, CPP, Child tax credit, welfare, almost everything.

Disability and senior's income supplement will continue, but taking into account the universal income supplement

Labour regulations designed to redistribute, ie minimum wages, overtime restrictions, etc will be eliminated. I might be swayed on the overtime, that may be more of a quality of life issue. And no one I've ever worked for followed that law anyway:p

Basic health care, phamaceuticals, education including 2 years of postsecondary, and child care will be universally accessible to all. Expanded health care, including things like optomentry, physiotherapy, and such will be provided for those under 18.

Might make those two years of postsecondary mandatory.

Private health care insurance and provision will be deregulated.

A new program would be subsidised moving expenses throughout the country. Maybe once every 5 years, you get a move on the gov't. This is to loosen up the employment market.

The key to all this is to eliminate means-testing of social benefits. Means-testing is what leads to people staying on welfare, because it costs them too much to get off it.

Social policy:
I'm a lib on this one. Do the math. I don't find it that interesting, really.
Ilike legalizing drugs, and providing the safer ones through licenses like alcohol, and the more dangerous ones medically.

OOh, almost forgot Environmental Policy

Not sure of the details here, but perverse subsidies to polluting industries would be ended, and subsidies would be provided to green ones. Maybe have taxes set up based on how polluting a proccess is, but that begins to defeat the purpose of my very simple system set up above.

I'll have to think on this one.

Oh, you have to write a test and get a permit to have a child. Haha, kidding, but part of me wishes.
 

yllus

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"It would be legal when sanctioned by the UN..." Why? Because we mustn't get on the wrong side of the ~50% of the UN that consists of non-elected regimes?

Rarely does ruling by committee produce positive results.
 

CanOWorms

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Trade should be expanded in any dimension that wouldn't threaten Canadian domestic policy or culture.

So what exactly would threaten Canada's culture? Personally, I don't think that the government should be so involved with controlling culture. It should be allowed to evolve and change on its own, not fixed in time.
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Trade should be expanded in any dimension that wouldn't threaten Canadian domestic policy or culture.

So what exactly would threaten Canada's culture? Personally, I don't think that the government should be so involved with controlling culture. It should be allowed to evolve and change on its own, not fixed in time.

Most particularly, there are clauses in NAFTA that could make the gov't liable for litigation even for implementing arts subsidies, if they were biased towards Canadian content.

And the CRTC interferes less with our culture than the FCC does yours. We allowed Fox, if you'll remember. And we didn't make a fuss over Janet Jackson's tit.

I'm not much a fan of cultural control in terms of which stations can be put on the air, but I do support Canadian Content regulations.

"It would be legal when sanctioned by the UN..." Why? Because we mustn't get on the wrong side of the ~50% of the UN that consists of non-elected regimes?

Look at the composition of the security council. It is heavily biased towards democratic regimes, with only China having the 3x voting power. Only the security council could vote on these matters. The general assembly would remain an "advisory body."

Your comment about committees might be valid, but can you think of a system that allows the United States to have unlimited power, but not every other country? Apart from US world domination, of course.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Kibbo

Most particularly, there are clauses in NAFTA that could make the gov't liable for litigation even for implementing arts subsidies, if they were biased towards Canadian content.

And the CRTC interferes less with our culture than the FCC does yours. We allowed Fox, if you'll remember. And we didn't make a fuss over Janet Jackson's tit.

I'm not much a fan of cultural control in terms of which stations can be put on the air, but I do support Canadian Content regulations.

Why did you have to bring up the US? Why does everything have to come back to it?

Personally, I disagree. The Canadian government closely regulates the access to TV channels, regularly preventing several channels access to Canadians.
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms


Why did you have to bring up the US? Why does everything have to come back to it?

Personally, I disagree. The Canadian government closely regulates the access to TV channels, regularly preventing several channels access to Canadians.


I compare it to the US, because this forum is mostly American. If you say that our media isn't free, most people, because they are Americans, will think that means less free than in the US. So I counter that assumption.

And name one station. Almost every station gets approved eventually. Yes, the beuraucracy is a bit stupid, and should probably be streamlined. But is there a single developped nation that doesn't have some kind of approval proccess for new broadcasters? If they don't, how do these nations ration bandwidth?

Edit: and it just makes sense to compare the US and Canada. We are more similar culturally than almost any other two developped nations, we have similar economies, we have similar histories, we have VERY similar economic histories, we trade more than any two other countries, we have the longest shared border in the world, and one of the oldest military alliances in the world.

To ignore each other's experiences when discussing public policy would be retarded.

Unless, of course, you think that policy should be developped while ignoring everyone outside your borders. If you do believe that much can be learned through comparative studies, then you can't get a better comparison in the developped world than Canada and the US.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: CanOWorms


Why did you have to bring up the US? Why does everything have to come back to it?

Personally, I disagree. The Canadian government closely regulates the access to TV channels, regularly preventing several channels access to Canadians.


I compare it to the US, because this forum is mostly American. If you say that our media isn't free, most people, because they are Americans, will think that means less free than in the US. So I counter that assumption.

And name one station. Almost every station gets approved eventually. Yes, the beuraucracy is a bit stupid, and should probably be streamlined. But is there a single developped nation that doesn't have some kind of approval proccess for new broadcasters? If they don't, how do these nations ration bandwidth?

The thing is, you didn't have to compare it to the US. It was pointless. We are talking about Canada and cultural restrictions imposed by the government.

RAI is a channel which was rejected.

I'm sure many nations have processes, but Canada's is much more "oppressive."
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: yllus
"It would be legal when sanctioned by the UN..." Why? Because we mustn't get on the wrong side of the ~50% of the UN that consists of non-elected regimes?

Rarely does ruling by committee produce positive results.
Absolutely right! A dictatorship is the way to go.




Are you going to tell Congress?

:roll:
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The thing is, you didn't have to compare it to the US. It was pointless. We are talking about Canada and cultural restrictions imposed by the government.

RAI is a channel which was rejected.

I'm sure many nations have processes, but Canada's is much more "oppressive."

"Opressive?"

First of all, I would ask you to provide evidence that we are more restrictive than other developped nations.

Second, I would like you to justify the use of the word "Opressive."

OED: Opressive: Opressing, harsh or cruel.

Unless you can demonstrate that restricting Italians from their soccer, which only happend because the soccer contracts changed stations in their country, is "harsh or cruel," I will ask you to retract that.

And comparing it to something is not useless, you throw out a term like "controlling," which is more relative than absolute, and you don't give a yardstick for comparison, then I will find one.

If you don't like the yardstick I chose, pick one yourself.

And Canadian culture is defined as that which is made by Canadians, according to all these regulations. That's hardly a static definition.

Could we start talking about what I posted please?!?!?!?!
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: CanOWorms

The thing is, you didn't have to compare it to the US. It was pointless. We are talking about Canada and cultural restrictions imposed by the government.

RAI is a channel which was rejected.

I'm sure many nations have processes, but Canada's is much more "oppressive."

"Opressive?"

First of all, I would ask you to provide evidence that we are more restrictive than other developped nations.

First of all, I would ask you to provide evidence that the FCC interferes with US culture more than the CRTC interferes with Canadian culture.

I am under the assumption that the FCC only has authority over stations which are broadcasted over the air.

Second, I would like you to justify the use of the word "Opressive."

OED: Opressive: Opressing, harsh or cruel.

Unless you can demonstrate that restricting Italians from their soccer, which only happend because the soccer contracts changed stations in their country, is "harsh or cruel," I will ask you to retract that.

I consider it pretty harsh to outright ban a TV channel, especially when it would be a valuable cultural asset to one of the largest groups (if not the largest) of Canadians.

And Canadian culture is defined as that which is made by Canadians, according to all these regulations. That's hardly a static definition.

Could we start talking about what I posted please?!?!?!?!

I thought Canada was a multicultural country. Not all Canadians share the same culture. Because of that, the government should try to control it even less.

I think we're going off topic now though.
 

sandorski

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Methinks Stunt and Kibbo have been watching the Conservative Party of Canada Convention. ;) I have too, but will refrain from starting a thread on my Policies.
 

glenn1

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Kibbo, you rock, I'd vote for you.

You sound like a classical liberal :thumbsup:
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Methinks Stunt and Kibbo have been watching the Conservative Party of Canada Convention. ;) I have too, but will refrain from starting a thread on my Policies.
I have encouraged people to post their ideas in my thread.
You don't have to start a new one.
 

Tab

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Military Policy: Spending should be increased, most especially in the Navy. We should have a significant Naval presence in the North, as well as be able to pull our weight in terms of coastal surveillance. Army and Airforce should specialize in fast reaction forces designed for humanitarian, peacekeeping and just a few dimensions of more aggressive, high-risk interactions. Perhaps recon, high-risk patrol, or special forces. The key is to specialize so that for those particular tasks, Canadian soldiers become in demand by our allies, and we can thus contribute our share in international affairs.

WHAT!

If anything the budget should be cut at least by 2/3s!

There thousands of useless military programs that don't do crap! Look at Bush's horrible Missle defense program! What a waste of tax payer dollars!

If we are serious about border security, then you need to beef up border patrol. Not the military.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Military Policy: Spending should be increased, most especially in the Navy. We should have a significant Naval presence in the North, as well as be able to pull our weight in terms of coastal surveillance. Army and Airforce should specialize in fast reaction forces designed for humanitarian, peacekeeping and just a few dimensions of more aggressive, high-risk interactions. Perhaps recon, high-risk patrol, or special forces. The key is to specialize so that for those particular tasks, Canadian soldiers become in demand by our allies, and we can thus contribute our share in international affairs.

WHAT!

If anything the budget should be cut at least by 2/3s!

There thousands of useless military programs that don't do crap! Look at Bush's horrible Missle defense program! What a waste of tax payer dollars!

If we are serious about border security, then you need to beef up border patrol. Not the military.
Tabb, Kibbo is canadian, his platform was created for Canada exclusively (except the foreign policy side). Currently Canada spends just over 1% of gdp on military relative to about 2% for the rest of the EU and over 3% for the US.
 

HombrePequeno

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Overall, your 'platform' is pretty good. Although some of your ideas seem a little too socialist for me, they're better than what we (the US) have right now.

One thing of yours I'm not completely understanding is:

A new program would be subsidised moving expenses throughout the country. Maybe once every 5 years, you get a move on the gov't. This is to loosen up the employment market.

Is that saying that new social programs have to be paid for by diverting money from other programs?

I would vote for you, but you're too rational and honest to be a politician. ;)
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Kibbo, you rock, I'd vote for you.

You sound like a classical liberal :thumbsup:

Wow, a ringing endorsement, I like that.

Umm. . .no, I'm not a classical Liberal, though I am heavily influenced by both Mill and Neoclassical economics.

I honestly think that this platform is the regime under which the lower classes can do best. There is a substantial amount of fiscal redistribution, which would likely need incresed taxation. My overall taxation strategy would likely mean incrased taxation for the middle class, but possibly decreased taxation for the upper.

One reason I like it is that there would be fewer loopholes for the rich, and there would be fewer disincentives for the poor to improve their stutuations.

have encouraged people to post their ideas in my thread.

Man, the reason I started my own was that I thought that there were too many diversions from your own platform in your thread. I spent more time talking about your minor lapse in immigration jargon than your actual platform. Many others were similarly distracted.

Methinks Stunt and Kibbo have been watching the Conservative Party of Canada Convention. I have too, but will refrain from starting a thread on my Policies.

Umm. . .no. The economic theories might be similar, but the net effect of most Conservative policies are to reduce redistribution. I want to increase it, but do so in a more efficient way.
 

ntdz

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I really liked what you said about military and foreign policy, then i got to this

A universal income supplement (of perhaps 4800$ a year) will be distributed to all. An additional credit (of maybe 2000$) per child in a household will be distributed. This is regardless of income, work habits, anything.

Just GIVE people $5000 a year for nothing?! WTF for?!
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: ntdz
I really liked what you said about military and foreign policy, then i got to this

A universal income supplement (of perhaps 4800$ a year) will be distributed to all. An additional credit (of maybe 2000$) per child in a household will be distributed. This is regardless of income, work habits, anything.

Just GIVE people $5000 a year for nothing?! WTF for?!

Because it will be less of an incentive to not work than taking away money when they get a job. It's either that or let them starve their children when they're out of work.

In Canada, if you make less than 10k$, you have a marginal tax rate of over 80% on any dollar you earn.

That means that even if you get a job making 10$/hr, you take home 2$/hr after welfare and other social services are taken away as the great reward for finally getting a job.

Would you go get a job for 2$ an hour? I wouldn't.

My system might actually encourage people to go get jobs.

Of course, you could just not give them money, but what you're going to do with their children when they hit 20, I'd like to know. You have to employ them somehow. If they've been malnourished for 18 years, I'd like to know how well you think they'll do in post secondary education.

Of course, it's the parent's responsibility, isn't it? Funny, it's not the parents who have to deal with them once they're 18; it's us.

You might want to change the proportion of money given to single people vs those who have children. That's a good point. But you sure don't want to give them so much money that they want to have kids just for the extra money.

And (enter wanky economic speak here) a base income would help even out some of the inefficiencies that make labour regulations neccessary right now. If you made it so that the risk of quitting a job wern't so great, then people wouldn't feel the need to stay in crappy, unsafe, unfair labour contracts. This would mean that we could get rid of the regulations that kill businesses, and let the market decide more fairly what is a "good job."

We don't want gov't making this decision, because they do a bad job of it. But we also don't want poor people to be screwed over out of desparation because they can't afford to take the 2 or 3 months it would take to find new work, either.

Sure you can say that they should have savings to make up for that time. Try saying that to a 24 year-old making 20k who has a newborn.

Many people can't afford what economists call the "transaction costs" of changing employers. This gives the employers limited monopsonies (kinda the opposite of monopolies) on that worker's employment.

And it is disproportionately the lower class who can't afford the "transaction costs" of employment transition.

This also allows us to chose economic models which are more dynamic, and thus productive in our changing, globalized, economy, without having to worry so much about the factory worker who is thrown out of work because his job is offshored. He now has options regarding what to do with himself. Even if it takes him awhile, because his entire family has worked the same steelmill or carplant for 3 generations, and he has no idea what to do with his 5-year-old, his 3-year-old and his infant. Especially after the plant defaulted on his 8 years of pension pay-ins.

Really it depends on what you think is more important: the well-being of those who work, or the poor-being of those who don't. It also depends on which group you think is bigger; I think it's the former.

Both groups are going to be with us for awhile, you can't help one without hurting the other.

I choose to help those who need it. And I choose a government that does the same.