Khartoum confronts the United Nations

kaizersose

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this situation is getting of control and fast.
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Khartoum confronts the United Nations

By T. Ország-Land

The Islamic Republic of the Sudan has embarked on a collision course with the US and its allies in the United Nations (UN) Security Council over the resolution of a bloody ethnic conflict unfolding in its western Darfur region.

A Security Council resolution has directed the Sudan government to assure the safety of the black African civilian population of the region by the end of August by disarming the marauding Arab Janjaweed militants. The Khartoum government has responded by rejecting the resolution, incorporating Janjaweed units in the official security services for joint operations and threatening to declare jihad (holy war).

This is the world?s worst humanitarian crisis resulting from systematic ethnic cleansing waged by the pro-government Arab militants, says the UN. Human rights groups and the US Congress say the Janjaweed are carrying out genocide.

The 18-month conflict was sparked by the emergence of two African rebel movements challenging the authority of Khartoum. They seek to resolve a long simmering tension in Darfur over land and grazing rights between the mostly nomadic Arabs and African farmers of the Fur, Massaleet and Zagawa ethnic groups.

The emergency has so far claimed an estimated 50,000 civilian lives and caused widespread material destruction and the displacement of around one million people. Aid agencies estimate that perhaps two million people are in urgent need of food and medical aid. The tragedy in the uniformly Islamic west of the Sudan, near Chad, is demanding international attention just as another, 20-year war in the south of the country between the Islamic Arabs and the largely Christian Africans seems to have come to an end.

Sudan has also rejected African Union (AU) proposals to deploy more than 2,000 African troops under international mandate in the Darfur region to prevent further bloodshed. Mustafa Ismail, Foreign Minister of Sudan, has stated that "the security of Darfur is the responsibility of Sudan alone".
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text. this is the free excerpt. it provides a nice overview.
 

Crimson

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But we just misunderstand these Islamic extremists.. we need to UNDERSTAND why they are slaughtering 10's of thousands of innocent people.. they MUST have a reason..
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
But we just misunderstand these Islamic extremists.. we need to UNDERSTAND why they are slaughtering 10's of thousands of innocent people.. they MUST have a reason..

You really should take up that Remedial Reading 101 at your local Comm. Coll.


They seek to resolve a long simmering tension in Darfur over land and grazing rights between the mostly nomadic Arabs and African farmers of the Fur, Massaleet and Zagawa ethnic groups.


Although, I do realize your post was meant as sarcasm. Too bad it falls flat.
 

maddogchen

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Thats sad. Too bad not many people really care about it. And it seems the Arab world is silent on this issue too.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
Thats sad. Too bad not many people really care about it. And it seems the Arab world is silent on this issue too.

And that's the big problem. And it's exacerbated by Bush not forcing the hands of the Arab leaders into helping solved this problem. Diplomacy, esp. from the right people, can work wonders. Too bad this administration looks upon diplomacy as a sign of weakness.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Thats sad. Too bad not many people really care about it. And it seems the Arab world is silent on this issue too.

And that's the big problem. And it's exacerbated by Bush not forcing the hands of the Arab leaders into helping solved this problem. Diplomacy, esp. from the right people, can work wonders. Too bad this administration looks upon diplomacy as a sign of weakness.

And if diplomacy fails.. then what? We need to use force.. Then what? You liberals claim Bush started another war.
 

kage69

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And if diplomacy fails.. then what? We need to use force.. Then what? You liberals claim Bush started another war.

Fortunetly in this case the proof is bodies and not phantom WMDs. It seems there is already no shortage of corpses in Sudan. Not to disrespect the dead, but ain't it great when justification happens before the action? Sure the no-bid contracting won't be as exciting, but hey! No quagmire! What a concept!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Thats sad. Too bad not many people really care about it. And it seems the Arab world is silent on this issue too.

And that's the big problem. And it's exacerbated by Bush not forcing the hands of the Arab leaders into helping solved this problem. Diplomacy, esp. from the right people, can work wonders. Too bad this administration looks upon diplomacy as a sign of weakness.

And if diplomacy fails.. then what? We need to use force.. Then what? You liberals claim Bush started another war.

"You liberals"?

Hunh?

I assume you were talking to me because you quoted me. What's with the label?



But, to answer your question anyway, I would not criticize Bush for using military intervention in Sudan given that no diplomatic resolution was possible and that people were still being killed.
 

rextilleon

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I'm consistent here--let them butcher each other--I really dont care--We are not the world's protector or policmen. We shouldn't be in Iraq and we shouldn't be in the Sudan.
 

f95toli

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I know the post is meant as sarcams but still...
This conflict has nothing to do with religion, as usual it is about power and money.
The Sudanese goverment is using an old conflict between arabic nomacs and black farmers to increae its power and make more money. They must be getting desperate if they are trying to play the "religious card", I don't think anyone will buy that.
 

conjur

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Lethal Weapon star arrested at Darfur protest
http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1291284,00.html
Lethal Weapon star Danny Glover had a real-life law enforcement drama on his hands when he was arrested during a demonstration in Washington DC yesterday. The Hollywood actor had been speaking at a rally outside the Sudanese embassy to protest about the humanitarian crisis in Darfur.
"We must continue to put pressure on the Sudanese government," Glover told the crowd before his arrest. "We must continue to demand justice and we must continue to demand peace for the people of Darfur." The latest United Nations figures put the Darfur death toll at 50,000, with over a million people left homeless after attacks by janjaweed Arab militias on the local black populace. The actor had been calling for a peacekeeping force to resolve the crisis.

Glover, 58, was led away in handcuffs. Secret service officials said that the actor had been charged with disorderly conduct and unlawful assembly.
 
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France would be in a perfect position to help out there as I believe they have some sort of base in Chad. The US is probably overextended with ground troops.

But of course nobody is going to do anything.