Keyes wants to take away direct election of senators

[Wheatmaster]

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wow he is really dumb.

"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.

i'm guess he's saying all this cause he realizes taht he has no freaking chance.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
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wow he is really dumb.

"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.

i'm guess he's saying all this cause he realizes taht he has no freaking chance.

You are aware that what he would propose would go back to how the constitution was orignally set up?

 

[Riprorin]

You may not agree with him, but Keyes is far from "dumb".

 

[Drift3r]

The bigger problem for Keyes is that people in Illinois don't give a crap about this issue IMHO. Essentially Keyes is campaigning on GOP nation wide issues while Obama is campaigning on local state issues to get elected. Keyes doesn't stand a chance in hell at getting elected since he is a A.) Out of touch with the local issues because he is a carpet bagger and B.) He has no issues to really counter against Obama local issue campagin. Hell he only received 27% of the vote in his own home state when he ran for the Senate there a while back ago.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster
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wow he is really dumb.

"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.

i'm guess he's saying all this cause he realizes taht he has no freaking chance.

Neat idea! Wonder if Ambassador Keyes would mind if we used the old census counting method and maybe only property owners should be allowed to vote.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You may not agree with him, but Keyes is far from "dumb".

I don't know. He might actually qualify for dumb. Anyone that says that running for office in a state you aren't really a resident of is dispicable and then turns around and does it a short time later isn't too bright. The man may be a good public speaker but that was a dumb move.

 

[Todd33]

Tell Keyes he's worth 3/5 a person.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Tell Keyes he's worth 3/5 a person.

ouch

 

[nageov3t]

his comments about Hillary Clinton running for office in NY pretty much screwed him.

 

[Baltazar325]

Well, senators are actually supposed to be the reps of the state, not the people. That's why we have the house.

 

[Strk]

He isn't dumb, he is a politician....

 

[zephyrprime]

I heard Keyes on the radio the other day. He was vehemently going on about how slavery has nothing to do with race. He's not dumb - he's crazy.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You may not agree with him, but Keyes is far from "dumb".

I don't know. He might actually qualify for dumb. Anyone that says that running for office in a state you aren't really a resident of is dispicable and then turns around and does it a short time later isn't too bright. The man may be a good public speaker but that was a dumb move.

It's called politics, every politician says something and then completely contradicts themselves months or years later.

It's just a game.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I heard Keyes on the radio the other day. He was vehemently going on about how slavery has nothing to do with race. He's not dumb - he's crazy.

The senate should be appointed by the various state legislatures every 6 years, one every 3 years: Mostly because i don't like so much power vested in the executive branch, even the state executive branches.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I heard Keyes on the radio the other day. He was vehemently going on about how slavery has nothing to do with race. He's not dumb - he's crazy.

On a worldwide, historical basis, slavery was not always tied to race. Though race is often a convenient dividing line, it is not fundamentally related to the act of subjugating one human being to the will of another.

 

[AEB]

Alan Keyes is a very intelligent man, most people dont understand what he is saying. Like the author of this thread. People are at a more personal level with state legislators and these state legislators can easily be changed, thus when the legislators go to vote for senator they have to make sure they are doing the will of the people in their district. Politics at a national level should then be a smaller impact, thus more accurately representing the people of each state.

As for the hillary thing he already cleared that up. Hillary was going in with a purpose to edge her way in and overrun the sovergenty of the state. However, he was ASKED to run and sees it as doing the will of the state, or at least the republican party of that state (something to that effect anyway)

Also slavery is still allowed as punnishement for a crime so its not tired to race. Look to the 13th amendment.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: AEB
Alan Keyes is a very intelligent man, most people dont understand what he is saying. Like the author of this thread. People are at a more personal level with state legislators and these state legislators can easily be changed, thus when the legislators go to vote for senator they have to make sure they are doing the will of the people in their district. Politics at a national level should then be a smaller impact, thus more accurately representing the people of each state.

As for the hillary thing he already cleared that up. Hillary was going in with a purpose to edge her way in and overrun the sovergenty of the state. However, he was ASKED to run and sees it as doing the will of the state, or at least the republican party of that state (something to that effect anyway)

Also slavery is still allowed as punnishement for a crime so its not tired to race. Look to the 13th amendment.

That's a pretty warped partisan view to justify Keyes vs. Hillary's running in a different state than they lived. So if one person told Hillary she should run for senate in NY, then she's justified?

You're telling me that the institution of slavery which encompassed almost every black in the US at the time and no other racial group wasn't tied to race? C'mon why do you feel the need to defend such a blatant evil. It was bad period in our history. Lets learn from it and move on.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: tss4
You're telling me that the institution of slavery which encompassed almost every black in the US at the time and no other racial group wasn't tied to race? C'mon why do you feel the need to defend such a blatant evil. It was bad period in our history. Lets learn from it and move on.

Obviously Keyes is pandering for the Redneck Vote!

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I heard Keyes on the radio the other day. He was vehemently going on about how slavery has nothing to do with race. He's not dumb - he's crazy.

On a worldwide, historical basis, slavery was not always tied to race. Though race is often a convenient dividing line, it is not fundamentally related to the act of subjugating one human being to the will of another.

Its often used as the justification though. It was here.

 

[heartsurgeon]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I heard Keyes on the radio the other day. He was vehemently going on about how slavery has nothing to do with race. He's not dumb - he's crazy.

Keyes isn't crazy...your just ignorant of history and facts....a typical liberal...

for the record, the dictionary definition of slavery makes absolutely no mention of race....

[q/]3 entries found for slavery.
slav·er·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
The practice of owning slaves.
A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


slavery

\Slav"er*y\, n.; pl. Slaveries. [See 2d Slave.]
1. The condition of a slave; the state of entire subjection of one person to the will of another.mischief. --Washington.
2. A condition of subjection or submission characterized by lack of freedom of action or of will.
3. The holding of slaves.
Syn: Bondage; servitude; inthrallment; enslavement; captivity; bond service; vassalage.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


slavery

n 1: the state of being under the control of another person [syn: bondage, thrall, thralldom, thraldom] 2: the practice of owning slaves [syn: slaveholding] 3: work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay[/quote]

the Pharoh's slaves were the Jews
the Jews enslaved the non-Jews (Deuteronomy)
Greeks enslaved other greeks
persians enslaved everyone
Romans...no need to say anything....slaves everywhere
Soviets enslaved millions in gulag's
Hitler enslaved the Poles, catholics, jews, gypsies and queers..
The spain Moors enslaved the spanish
The Aztecs enslaved other tribes
American Indians enslaved other Indians...

need i go on?

slavery predated the black enslavement in the U.S. by several millenia......

get the picture junior?

the problem is that Keyes assumes you have a certain level of sophistication that allows you to grasp what he means....

he could be justifiably criticised on this account...

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

Keyes isn't crazy...your just ignorant of history and facts....a typical liberal...

Nice job, your comment would have sounded fair and intelligent.

 

[SwissArmyBilly]

how is removing the direct election of senators going to better represent the will of the people? Are you saying that the people arent smart enough to pick their own senators? I thought the republican party was the party of personal responsibility? I thought the republicans were the ones that kept saying we should let the people decide on issues like gay marrige. Doesnt seem to add up to me. I think all federal elections should be based on a simple majority vote. Institutions like the electorial college have outlived their usefulness. Why go back to pre-1913 america, arent we better off now?

Billy

 

[LordMagnusKain]

the problem is that Keyes assumes you have a certain level of sophistication that allows you to grasp what he means....

he could be justifiably criticised on this account...

only low-end intellectuals and ghetto ignoramuses vote democrat, so it's hard to get the opposing side to actually think about these issues... i any libbie had a thought worth reading in this thread i'd have to eat those words.

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how is removing the direct election of senators going to better represent the will of the people? Are you saying that the people arent smart enough to pick their own senators? I thought the republican party was the party of personal responsibility? I

the senate is supposed to rise above the sway of politics to do what?s best for the people. The ever changing political will of a nation is no way to run a super power, only in separating the representatives from immediate reprisal by the constituency can the hard-choices be made, but only by giving the people the ability to chance their representatives can the people be free to change the laws they are under.

Thus the bicameral legislature.

 

[zephyrprime]

Keyes isn't crazy...your just ignorant of history and facts....a typical liberal ... slavery predated the black enslavement in the U.S. by several millenia......

I can't believe people are even bothering to argue the slavery thing. I, and everybody else, knows perfectly well that slavery existed in many places and dates back to prehistoric times (not just several millenia). And you know what? It doesn't matter a lick that slavery existed in ancient greece millenia ago! This is the US and only our own historic experience of history has any pertinence. Keynes isn't running to be senator of the earth, he's running to be a US senator.

 

[heartsurgeon]

This is the US and only our own historic experience of history has any pertinence

Hmmmmmm...a rather bizarre statement

I, and everybody else, knows perfectly well that slavery existed in many places and dates back to prehistoric times

How exactly do we know "perfectly well" what happened in "prehistoric" times...another bizarre statement.

bravo, i enjoyed this post!