Kevin Smith (Silent Bob) talks about Prince

DigDog

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Film director Kevin Smith describes his experience working on a film project on behalf of Prince; interesting insight into Prince's personality is worthy of its own thread.

The project is from 2001 but already when Prince was "living in Prince land". I don't mean disrespect to the man, i admire the way he went at it alone, although i consider most of his music average.
 

JM Aggie08

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Can. Not. Stand. Kevin Smith.

There's just this arrogance about him that I can't get past.
 

Homerboy

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this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhcParuzpc

Film director Kevin Smith describes his experience working on a film project on behalf of Prince; interesting insight into Prince's personality is worthy of its own thread.

The project is from 2001 but already when Prince was "living in Prince land". I don't mean disrespect to the man, i admire the way he went at it alone, although i consider most of his music average.

I understand if his music wasn't somebodies cup of tea, but t say his music was "average" is ridiculous. I don't overly get into this music, but I CLEARLY can see the amazing talent and incredible influence he had on the past 30+ years of music.
 

DigDog

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@Homerboy,

Prince pretty much did everything himself; that's why it sounds different than most musicians, during the creative process you get input from your fellow band members.

Sure Purple Rain was good, but even on that album there's much stuff that's so-so: computer blue, baby i'm a star, and this is maybe his best album. And it sounds horrible because it was recorded live instead of, you know, properly, with a audio engineer in a studio.

Next was around the world in a day; now, you honestly want to tell me, you listen to stuff like America, The Ladder, or Condition of the Heart?

after purple rain he didn't do anything decent. parade is mediocre. sign of the times has 1 good song and the rest is just stuff thrown together. same for lovesexy which is even worse (i PAID for this album, waste of money).

maybe i look at it in a different way because as a musician, i know i too can crank out a shitton of songs if i only have a studio to myself. It really does not take that much to make music - write a couple riffs (even easier when you accept to use cheesy synth sounds that cut through the mix), fill your lyrics with "oh yeah", give it a polish and your'e done.

From a creative perspective, i can only compare prince to one modern phenomenon - boybands. He sounds EXACTLY like Nsync, Take That, Westlife, and the Backstreet Boys.
In case you have not deigned yourself to listen to the aforementioned, they sound pretty good - as long as you accept that the feeling is totally artificial.

Let's not forget that he peaked with Batdance, a 7 minute compilation of badly mixed samples, irregular beats, and prince saying "do it". Naer does music like that if you are into it.

Prince fell into the same mental trap that george lucas did; when you don't have to listen to your co-creators who tell you something is shit, you go all loopy and start living in "prince land" and think what you are doing is the bomb.

Don't get me wrong, there will always be people who follow you, either because they think you are on to something, or because maybe you struck a chord with them. I had a friend who still owes me $50 that was a music performance major in jazz and he loved prince, despite half the school making weird faces when he said it.

Prince's good stuff is in the past. 1999 and purple rain were defo inspired, but he himself did plenty to ridicule his position as a songwriter to the point where he can't be taken seriously anymore, and i say this just based on the music and not his "symbol" period or "the artist".

Prince was just very, very willing to pump out mediocre music. I'm not so sure i would not have done the same thing, and he's not the first artist to do so. Even my buddy Frank Black after six albums began churning out garbage, and now he's totally lost his mind, his albums are so bad they are impossible to listen to - AND YET he has a stronger following now than he did before. It's just the way things go, and how people behave.

I would not dare to compare him and say, Bowie, although they have a similar body of work. Bowie was into creating music, Prince was into delivering a product.

FYI the album he released for free through the daily mail newspaper, was so bad you could only give it away for free. (except My Guitar, which was nice) In turn he made a shitton of money with a sold out tour, so kudos to him for being such a professional businessman.
 

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There's just this arrogance about him that I can't get past.


Kevin Smith is like the embodiment of every regular filmschool Joe that did not come from money. The guy is not supposed to have made it because ppl who make it sell their souls to the man in Hollywood. But he's remained true to the guy who burst on the scene in Clerks.
 

zinfamous

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Can. Not. Stand. Kevin Smith.

There's just this arrogance about him that I can't get past.

that's too bad. You should watch these talks he gives, because the dude is a master storyteller. This and his experience writing the early Superman script are hilarious (the pre-Superman Returns days)
 

zinfamous

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Kevin Smith is like the embodiment of every regular filmschool Joe that did not come from money. The guy is not supposed to have made it because ppl who make it sell their souls to the man in Hollywood. But he's remained true to the guy who burst on the scene in Clerks.

agreed. I actually find him rather humble/normal. He has an elevated knowledge of film history and craft compared to the normal Joe, and I guess that there are plenty of normal Joes that see that kind of talk, even when spoken simply and normally, and just assume "elitist arrogant prick!"

Evidence: ATOT forums. :D
 

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agreed. I actually find him rather humble/normal. He has an elevated knowledge of film history and craft compared to the normal Joe, and I guess that there are plenty of normal Joes that see that kind of talk, even when spoken simply and normally, and just assume "elitist arrogant prick!"

Evidence: ATOT forums. :D

I think that's the thing, we all know he's a nerd and still is pretty much the same guy he's always been. However, who around here doesn't know somebody who's kind of nerdy and also has that arrogant personality that sometimes comes with it? Smith isn't much different, and isn't nearly as obnoxious as some of the "know it all" type of nerds I know. Some people just don't like it though.
 

kage69

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How stupid must one be to consider Kevin Smith arrogant?

I'm confused too. I've heard the guy make comments about himself that were extremely unflattering.

Having a hard time putting him into the same category as that inflated pusswad Kanye West.
 

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Prince sold over 100 million records worldwide, making him one of the best-selling artists of all time.[3] He won seven Grammy Awards,[4] a Golden Globe Award,[5] and an Academy Award.[6] He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2004, the first year of his eligibility.[7] Rolling Stone ranked Prince at number 27 on its list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.[8]
Not to mention how many other nominations he had. Yep, sounds pretty average to me. Sure, he had some pretty crappy songs (I think at least one was nominated for a Razzie) - but a lot of his work, while not my favorite type of sounds, was excellent.
 

dr150

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Smith ain't arrogant. Just the opposite.

You should read his book or audiobook (which he reads) and tells the story of when he worked with Bruce Willis on his film. That's a great story.

If you want to know what a huge fucking arrogant prick is....it's Mister Bruce Willis.
 

DigDog

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Not to mention how many other nominations he had. Yep, sounds pretty average to me. Sure, he had some pretty crappy songs (I think at least one was nominated for a Razzie) - but a lot of his work, while not my favorite type of sounds, was excellent.

dude, Westlife has sold 50 million; Nsync have sold 1 million IN A DAY and topped 50 mil in 5 years. Prince at 62 mil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists
is outsold by such class acts as Backstreet Boys, Brittney Spears and Bruno Mars, all of whom have a much shorter career. Lady Gaga destroys him at 150% of his sales volume with a whopping FIVE albums released.
Please do not equate record sales with music quality.

Also i'd like to add that Prince was frequently "voted best" of to tick the ethnical box when other black acts of the period where stuff like Run DMC and 2 Live Crew - you should know this.

Going back to the video (i was already out of my prince phase since way before this), i can udnerstand when Smith talks about Prince and his megalomaniac habits, such as calling his PA and asking to find him "an actual camel" at 3am. You listen to Deep Purple or Pink Floyd talk after 30 years of career and 100+ mil, and they are still reasonable human beings - Prince wasn't. And this affects your creative output as a musician.

I mean yeah, you can listen to lovesexy and think "omg this is the best album in the world" but that's very, very subjective.
 
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