Kerry's statement on the one-year anniversary of the war on Iraq

[conjur]

Well said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114658,00.html

John Kerry, the Democratic rival to President Bush, issued the following statement on the one year anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq

"Today marks the one year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. It is an important day to recognize the courage and enormous skill of the United States military. Our men and women in uniform are the best and the brightest the nation has to offer, and their efforts to defend Democracy should be honored each and every day. We also must remember those that have given their lives in the fight for freedom.

"Before the war started, I repeatedly called on the President to build a genuine coalition to reduce the military and financial burden on the United States, to go to war only as a last resort, and to have a plan to win the peace. I voted to give him the authority to go to war only when he promised me and other members in Congress that he would do these things. He broke those promises.

"He misled the American people in his own State of the Union Address about Saddam's nuclear program and WMD's, and refused - and continues to refuse - to level with the American people about the cost of the war. Simply put, this President didn't tell the truth about the war for the beginning. And our country is paying the price.

"It's time for George Bush to start being consistent on Iraq. It's time for him to finally find the right policy for Iraq. It's time to take the target's off the backs of U.S. soldiers, reduce the burden on America's taxpayers, and finish the job in Iraq."

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

 

[bdude]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

Kerry was for the war when the President apparently had legitimate reasons to go into Iraq i.e. WMDs.
Kerry is now against the war because Bush has bungled and deceived far too much.

 

[KGB1]

f it... my vote's going to nader. this bi partison I agree with you...then make a 180 but still "celebrate" anniversaries into a the attack of another nation... surely every dec 7... the japanese memorialize the attack on pearl harbor.. f this man...


essentially by voting nader im indirectly voting for bush's campaign since i am a dem, and ruining their chances :evil:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

"I voted to give him the authority to go to war" - exactly. This even after he wrote an op/ed about what it would take. Obviously his concerns were addressed if he voted for the resolution - no? Oh wait - now you try to shy away from that vote? kerry - you don't vote for something you don't believe in....isn't that why you ended up voting against the Castro bill? Because you claim it wasn't exactly what you wanted? Well - why would you vote for the war if it wasn't what you wanted? You gave Bush permission kerry - you can't try to "nuance" you way out of it.
What a fool - I wonder how many people actually believe the BS he spews....I know alot of people here eat up his "nuance" BS, but I wonder how many "normal" people actually believe this.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"I voted to give him the authority to go to war" - exactly. This even after he wrote an op/ed about what it would take. Obviously his concerns were addressed if he voted for the resolution - no? Oh wait - now you try to shy away from that vote? kerry - you don't vote for something you don't believe in....isn't that why you ended up voting against the Castro bill? Because you claim it wasn't exactly what you wanted? Well - why would you vote for the war if it wasn't what you wanted? You gave Bush permission kerry - you can't try to "nuance" you way out of it.
What a fool - I wonder how many people actually believe the BS he spews....I know alot of people here eat up his "nuance" BS, but I wonder how many "normal" people actually believe this.

CkG

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

 

[Zipp]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

I think he is for and against it John.

*1991 Kerry was against Bush sr. decision for Gulf war 1 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
*1998 Kerry was for military action against Iraq when Clinton was considering it.
*2002 He voted to give Bush jr. authorizing for the use of force against Iraq.
*2003 He voted against the 87 billion dollar request to pay for continuing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

Clinton's attacks on Iraq were based upon actions Saddam was performing (violating no-fly zones, kicked inspectors out of Iraq.) Bush had no justification whatsoever so he had to manufacture some.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
"I voted to give him the authority to go to war" - exactly. This even after he wrote an op/ed about what it would take. Obviously his concerns were addressed if he voted for the resolution - no? Oh wait - now you try to shy away from that vote? kerry - you don't vote for something you don't believe in....isn't that why you ended up voting against the Castro bill? Because you claim it wasn't exactly what you wanted? Well - why would you vote for the war if it wasn't what you wanted? You gave Bush permission kerry - you can't try to "nuance" you way out of it.
What a fool - I wonder how many people actually believe the BS he spews....I know alot of people here eat up his "nuance" BS, but I wonder how many "normal" people actually believe this.

CkG

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

hell I even got along for the ride after Powell's speech at the UN, but then about a day later it was picked apart and it stopped being credible

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Zipp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

I think he is for and against it John.

*1991 Kerry was against Bush sr. decision for Gulf war 1 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
*1998 Kerry was for military action against Iraq when Clinton was considering it.
*2002 He voted to give Bush jr. authorizing for the use of force against Iraq.
*2003 He voted against the 87 billion dollar request to pay for continuing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

hell I even got along for the ride after Powell's speech at the UN, but then about a day later it was picked apart and it stopped being credible

Same here...Powell really sold me. I had always respected him but now he's sold himself out to Bush & Company.

 

[lozina]

I dunno, this situation seems to me like this...

There's a mom and a son. Son asks mom to borrow the car. Mom asks why. Son says he needs to go to the local library to do research for a book report. Library is only a few blocks away so Mom agrees to give son permission to go. Later phone rings- cops inform mom that son has crashed car on the highway but he's ok. Mom asks to speak to son and cop hands phone to son. Mom demands to know why son was on highway- son says he and a few friends were on a way to a heavy metal concert. Dad comes home and scolds Mom for giving son permission to take car. Mom tries to explain she thought he was only going to the library. Dad never considers son's deception nor does he punish son.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: lozina
I dunno, this situation seems to me like this...

There's a mom and a son. Son asks mom to borrow the car. Mom asks why. Son says he needs to go to the local library to do research for a book report. Library is only a few blocks away so Mom agrees to give son permission to go. Later phone rings- cops inform mom that son has crashed car on the highway but he's ok. Mom asks to speak to son and cop hands phone to son. Mom demands to know why son was on highway- son says he and a few friends were on a way to a heavy metal concert. Dad comes home and scolds Mom for giving son permission to take car. Mom tries to explain she thought he was only going to the library. Dad never considers son's deception nor does he punish son.

perfect.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Zipp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

I think he is for and against it John.

*1991 Kerry was against Bush sr. decision for Gulf war 1 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
*1998 Kerry was for military action against Iraq when Clinton was considering it.
*2002 He voted to give Bush jr. authorizing for the use of force against Iraq.
*2003 He voted against the 87 billion dollar request to pay for continuing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

Buahahahahaha - that's a healthy amount of spin there conjur.

Oh wait...maybe it's because I'm not "nuanced" enough...

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

Funny, it looked an awful a lot like a guy who bares a resemblance to a Chimp who told those tall tales in the State of the Union Speech, not some fuzzy haired chubby guy with a bulbous nose. I never thought I'd see the day when someone who detested Clinton would use him to defend his tongue tied hero.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Zipp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

I think he is for and against it John.

*1991 Kerry was against Bush sr. decision for Gulf war 1 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
*1998 Kerry was for military action against Iraq when Clinton was considering it.
*2002 He voted to give Bush jr. authorizing for the use of force against Iraq.
*2003 He voted against the 87 billion dollar request to pay for continuing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

Buahahahahaha - that's a healthy amount of spin there conjur.

Oh wait...maybe it's because I'm not "nuanced" enough...

CkG

Spin?

Not in the least. It's the antidote to the poison of Zipp's post.

Don't believe me? Go look it up. Every bit of it is true.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

The libs have decieved themselves, because it is the only way to deal with the harsh reality of their own two-faced lies. The spun this one so hard that they forgot about Willy saying that Iraq was a big threat.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

Clinton's attacks on Iraq were based upon actions Saddam was performing (violating no-fly zones, kicked inspectors out of Iraq.) Bush had no justification whatsoever so he had to manufacture some.

Oh, I thought Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all said Saddam had WMD's in the late 90's....isn't that the conclusion Bush reached?

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: conjur


*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

I am rather curious, with your last bullet you say that Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding but voted against when his agenda was not ammended to the bill...were the tax increases included in the two versions that Kerry did vote for and then dropped on the third or did he just change his mind?

also with regards to your second bullet and the reasoning, honestly if you believe it had to do with a report by UNSCOM and not the fact that Klinton was behind it then you are rather naive....funny how whenever a Republican suggests military action all of the dems want to wait it out and build support, but when a Dem suggests it, such as Afganastan and Bosnia then not a word is mentioned about waiting.

Kerry likes riding the bandwagon, he does and supports what he feels is what is best for his career and loves to waffle, he jumped on Iraq this last time because everyone was pissed and it was seen as the right thing to do, now that the media is spinning it as the next vietnam he is the first to flounder out of support...truly a low class individual.

Lets not forget that Saddam did everything in his power this time around to delay and harass inspectors.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

Clinton's attacks on Iraq were based upon actions Saddam was performing (violating no-fly zones, kicked inspectors out of Iraq.) Bush had no justification whatsoever so he had to manufacture some.

Oh, I thought Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all said Saddam had WMD's in the late 90's....isn't that the conclusion Bush reached?

Quick! We need to bomb Japan! In WW2 we saw that they were set on domination of Asia.

Or maybe we need to reevaluate the threat...

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Zipp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

I think he is for and against it John.

*1991 Kerry was against Bush sr. decision for Gulf war 1 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
*1998 Kerry was for military action against Iraq when Clinton was considering it.
*2002 He voted to give Bush jr. authorizing for the use of force against Iraq.
*2003 He voted against the 87 billion dollar request to pay for continuing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

Buahahahahaha - that's a healthy amount of spin there conjur.

Oh wait...maybe it's because I'm not "nuanced" enough...

CkG

I don't do nuance
To satisfy the hallowed journalistic tradition that there must be two sources for almost anything, I offer you Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) and Candy Crowley of CNN. They both are on record as having George Bush say that he doesn't do nuance. "Joe, I don't do nuance," the president supposedly told the senator. As for Crowley, she heard it this way: "In Texas, we don't do nuance."

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: conjur


*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

I am rather curious, with your last bullet you say that Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding but voted against when his agenda was not ammended to the bill...were the tax increases included in the two versions that Kerry did vote for and then dropped on the third or did he just change his mind?

I must apologize profusely. I had read on another site that Kerry voted it down out of fiscal responsibility. While that may have been partly true, the text of the Amendment he supported is here (Search for 1872):
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?r108:./temp/~r108jxboyL

also with regards to your second bullet and the reasoning, honestly if you believe it had to do with a report by UNSCOM and not the fact that Klinton was behind it then you are rather naive....funny how whenever a Republican suggests military action all of the dems want to wait it out and build support, but when a Dem suggests it, such as Afganastan and Bosnia then not a word is mentioned about waiting.

You presume he's purely partisan which may be so but yet it's still only conjecture.

Kerry likes riding the bandwagon, he does and supports what he feels is what is best for his career and loves to waffle, he jumped on Iraq this last time because everyone was pissed and it was seen as the right thing to do, now that the media is spinning it as the next vietnam he is the first to flounder out of support...truly a low class individual.

Guess we just disagree there.

Lets not forget that Saddam did everything in his power this time around to delay and harass inspectors.

That was true in the late 90s. Hans Blix testified otherwise before the U.N. last year.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Zipp

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
So is Kerry for or against the war; I can't seem to make heads or tails of his positions...I know he voted for and against the funding. Did he vote for and against the war, too? I am so confused.

I think he is for and against it John.

*1991 Kerry was against Bush sr. decision for Gulf war 1 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
*1998 Kerry was for military action against Iraq when Clinton was considering it.
*2002 He voted to give Bush jr. authorizing for the use of force against Iraq.
*2003 He voted against the 87 billion dollar request to pay for continuing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

*1991 Kerry wanted to wait a few more months (along with the majority of Democrats) to build support in the country
*1998 Kerry supported the attack on Iraq based on a report by UNSCOM
*2002 Kerry supported the war on Iraq based up on the claims made by Pres. Bush (now known to have been false and misleading)
*2003 Kerry voted for initial versions of the supplemental funding and only voted against the final bill as he wanted it amended to rescind tax cuts Bush had implemented in order to pay for the costs of the bill.

Buahahahahaha - that's a healthy amount of spin there conjur.

Oh wait...maybe it's because I'm not "nuanced" enough...

CkG

I don't do nuance
To satisfy the hallowed journalistic tradition that there must be two sources for almost anything, I offer you Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) and Candy Crowley of CNN. They both are on record as having George Bush say that he doesn't do nuance. "Joe, I don't do nuance," the president supposedly told the senator. As for Crowley, she heard it this way: "In Texas, we don't do nuance."

That's why Bush is not a diplomat. He's a bull in a china shop. "If you're not with us, you're against us."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I fully supported the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq when the Dub BS'd us about WMDs, Links to Al Qaeda and an advance Iraqi Nuclear weapons program. Now that it's been shown that it was just a ruse to get us to support his and the Neocons predisposed excellent adventure in Iraq he has zero credibility with me. It simply amazes me the the Bush apologists are ok with him decieving the American Public.

Bush reached the same conclusions Slick Willy arrived at, so who deceived who?

The libs have decieved themselves, because it is the only way to deal with the harsh reality of their own two-faced lies. The spun this one so hard that they forgot about Willy saying that Iraq was a big threat.

Compared to the Dubs atrocious two faced lies and the willingness of the Bush apologists to ignore them?