Kerry's Speech: What is YOUR opinion?

[Risiko]

I apologize for making yet another thread about this topic, but I'm only doing so because the others have evolved into flame threads. Please keep this thread civil and on-topic.

The question: What did you think about the speech? Will it raise his poll numbers or lower them?

I personally don't think it was delivered too well. The message was excellent - it was well-written and covered many issues that, on paper, should work for Kerry. However, the way he read the speech wasn't all too good. I think he was a bit nervous or anxious. I think someone mentioned that he had time restraints, and so this might have added to that.

In any event, he read his speech pretty rapidly, not allowing for any pauses (either to take a short break, let the crowd chant, smile; anything). Though I haven't seen the entire speech, I don't think he smiled once and that hurts him as well - one of the major criticisms by common voters is that he is too stiff. Though, I think the fact that he focused on national security will help him with voters who had been wary that is wasn't a priority of his.

As well, I think the issues speak to majority of makers.

I will also say that I think the leadup to the speech was superb (with the video, Max Clelan, Vietnam Vets). That will probably help him more than anything.

Thoughts?

 

[MonstaThrilla]

It helped, but only in the short term. Bush's convention will give him a boost a month from now (the Republicans will most likely outdo the Democrats), and by then this speech will have been forgotten. Then we have the debates.

So maybe in total, Kerry will get at most 2 points out of it.

 

[Bitek]

It was good, but not great. (Nothing like Obama's )

Overall a good convention, with first 2 nights the best IMO.

Kerry's brunette-haired daughter is hot tho.... He'll win a few votes just for that

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: Hafen
It was good, but not great. (Nothing like Obama's )

Overall a good convention, with first 2 nights the best IMO.

Kerry's brunette-haired daughter is hot tho.... He'll win a few votes just for that

There are some rather revealing photos of her floating around the net. It involves a movie premiere's red carpet, black sheer dress, and the bright flashes of paparazzi camera bulbs.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

I just read the speech. Kerry was speaking to his supporters and people who are still open minded about the election.

It helped

 

[bozack]

Like I said in another thread I was surprised that he advocated the saving of white collar jobs and freeing ourselves from dependancy on exports and then did a complete 180 and suggested we get prescription medicine from other countries at a lower cost.

Seemed like a big slap in the face to his home state as the majority of the local econ is supported by big biotech/pharma companies that would have to cut back should this happen which would cost alot of white collar workers their jobs. Companies that come to mind in Mass with major production facilities are AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Johnson Matthey, Novartis, and Genzyme and more are moving in....the bio industry picked up (slowly) where the tech industry left off in their major pullout/collapse. I just thought it was sad that he would suggest he is in favor of saving the "good jobs" and then blatantly say he would persue something that would kill alot of really "good jobs" and I am curious as to what "good jobs" he will bring back in their place?

I was also interested in how exactly he was going to go about making all schools provide an education that was on the same level, and also how he would get people who pay very high taxes and purposly live in nice areas for the schools to accept that...I know in his home state (MA) many people would not be happy about this at all...

I do think the speech went off better than expected and hafen I was surprised at just how scary looking his daughters were, man they have some honkers on them all I could think of was Toucan Sam.

 

[fjord]

It was too long, and the tie was a terrible choice. The message and delivery was reasonably OK, but diluted and weak (a true liberal would have offeref up the red meat of the whole truth--which means a series of body-blows listing Bush's mistakes, lies, and corrupt deals).

The stuff before the speech was the big winner. A succesful and very effective job of touchy-feely (that we didn't get from his wife) introduction.

Sadly, the stuff that lacks all substance-- America loves the theater, just don't ask us to think.

Sunstance is not going to elect any president, only image--look at W.

Overall a good day for Kerry.

 

[arsbanned]

Yeah, agreed, Americans have short attention spans -unfortunately. Candidates have to condense everything into sound bites ready for consumption. I think he did a good job working within those constraints.
bozack, that's just harsh going after someones daughters like that. You have children yet? It's gonna come back in spades buddy.

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: arsbanned
bozack, that's just harsh going after someones daughters like that. You have children yet? It's gonna come back in spades buddy.

Hey they were the ones who put themselves on TV, personally if I ever have kids I am hoping for boys, not only are they easier but also because even if their ugly who cares....

 

[umbrella39]

I think it helped a bit. MSNBC had a room full of undecideds in Ohio watch the speech and voice their opinions afterwards. All but a few, after the speech were now voting for Kerry.

Now I doubt that this is indicitive of the entire nation, it was very interesting.

I think all and all the Dems could not have hoped for a better convention and Kerry made his points and did not make a major gaff.

Will be interesting to see how Bush handles his time in the spotlight.

 

[villager]

Originally posted by: Risiko
I apologize for making yet another thread about this topic, but I'm only doing so because the others have evolved into flame threads. Please keep this thread civil and on-topic.

The question: What did you think about the speech? Will it raise his poll numbers or lower them?

I personally don't think it was delivered too well. The message was excellent - it was well-written and covered many issues that, on paper, should work for Kerry. However, the way he read the speech wasn't all too good. I think he was a bit nervous or anxious. I think someone mentioned that he had time restraints, and so this might have added to that.

In any event, he read his speech pretty rapidly, not allowing for any pauses (either to take a short break, let the crowd chant, smile; anything). Though I haven't seen the entire speech, I don't think he smiled once and that hurts him as well - one of the major criticisms by common voters is that he is too stiff. Though, I think the fact that he focused on national security will help him with voters who had been wary that is wasn't a priority of his.

As well, I think the issues speak to majority of makers.

I will also say that I think the leadup to the speech was superb (with the video, Max Clelan, Vietnam Vets). That will probably help him more than anything.

Thoughts?

The best part was that it ended right before John Stewert but then that convention manager was going ballistic and I just had to watch that. You knew that guy was going to drop the f bomb and cnn has no excuse.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
It helped, but only in the short term. Bush's convention will give him a boost a month from now (the Republicans will most likely outdo the Democrats), and by then this speech will have been forgotten. Then we have the debates.

So maybe in total, Kerry will get at most 2 points out of it.

I agree. In the grand scheme of things, its no huge deal

 

[Arsynic]

Where's the "It didn't do a damn thing." option?

 

[XZeroII]

I just watched the econ section on MSNBC and it was terrible. I already know exactly what he was going to say because all he is doing is pandering to mindless people and telling them what they want to hear. He said he has plans to cut the deficit in half in 4 years by cutting taxes for the lower and middle class and small businesses while raising taxes for the upper class. The money he makes by raising taxes is going to go toward education, healthcare, and bringing jobs back. So how is the deficit going to get lowered??? I would like to see the numbers that they have run because I don't understand how it's possible to do all this based on what he has said.

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: bozack
Like I said in another thread I was surprised that he advocated the saving of white collar jobs and freeing ourselves from dependancy on exports and then did a complete 180 and suggested we get prescription medicine from other countries at a lower cost.

Seemed like a big slap in the face to his home state as the majority of the local econ is supported by big biotech/pharma companies that would have to cut back should this happen which would cost alot of white collar workers their jobs. Companies that come to mind in Mass with major production facilities are AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Johnson Matthey, Novartis, and Genzyme and more are moving in....the bio industry picked up (slowly) where the tech industry left off in their major pullout/collapse. I just thought it was sad that he would suggest he is in favor of saving the "good jobs" and then blatantly say he would persue something that would kill alot of really "good jobs" and I am curious as to what "good jobs" he will bring back in their place?

I was also interested in how exactly he was going to go about making all schools provide an education that was on the same level, and also how he would get people who pay very high taxes and purposly live in nice areas for the schools to accept that...I know in his home state (MA) many people would not be happy about this at all...

I do think the speech went off better than expected and hafen I was surprised at just how scary looking his daughters were, man they have some honkers on them all I could think of was Toucan Sam.

Pharma/ Jobs:
I don't see what you are saying to be that signifigant of a possibilty. I work for one of these large pharmas, and here's my take on it: The drugs you buy from a Canadian pharmacy are the same drugs produced in the same plants as the drugs you buy in the US. The big difference is that drugs for sale in the US must be manufactured according to FDA regulations, the most restrictive, tightly controlled and stifling regulatory agency in any industry in any part of the world. Period. Without going into a diatribe, these regulations strangle manufacuring innovations and create such beaurocracy that it leads to huge increases in cost which get passed on in high drug prices. Conversely, these regs keep manufs here because compliance is so expensive and challenging the work cannot be reliably outsourced. Drug demand will only increase in the future. Those jobs aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Its true that forcing price bargaining power into Medicare will reduce profit margins on individ drugs, but having a drug benefit in Medicare is still a boon to the industry, as it is guaranteeing a reliable customer base. I am also a taxpayer, and it is a foolish consumer who doesn't look for the best prices on thier purchases. I expect the same stewardship of my money when the govt is spending it. By your arguement , would you favor the Govt buying $15000 hammers and toliet seats is it provided some American with a cushy job somewhere? If you are adocatin the govt spend more money than it needs to, then perhaps you've been living too close to Ted Kennedy for too long.

Also, Stem Cell Research:
If you are concerned about creating jobs, wealth and technology in the US, you would have to favor Kerry's position. Directly resulting from Bush's funding policy, America is quickly losing ground in research and dev. in this hugely important and highly promising future of healthcare. When this works, and I believe it eventually will, the Stem Cell industry will be huge, easlily rivaling the drug industry of today. Other countries are developing this and could easily capture the industry (read tens of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs.) America dominates the drug industry, do we want Korea or China or Europe to dominate this industry? No, but we need to move fast. Drop the restrictions and restore (really increase) funding and thousands of jobs will be created here (with many more to come.) Most in the same companies/ areas you describe.

Kerry Daughter (Alexandria in particular, eh to the blond one):
Dude, calling a hot woman ugly is just blind partisanship. The nose? Sorry, I dont see it. Linky , , Sorry major babe.

For the record, you can vote here.

Now if we're slinging around ugly, lets be fair. Chelsea

 

[Painman]

It was a shrewdly crafted speech. He threw a few bones to the left, all he needs to do - the left wingers would probably vote for a jelly donut to be rid of Bush, but he needs to make sure that not too many veer off in favor of Nader or Cobb. Kerry has a lot of latitude to go after the political middle ground and even a few disaffected moderate republicans, and I think by "capturing the flag" he tried to do so, making the tent bigger and painting Dubya into an extremist corner. He left himself open for attack on a few issues (as we're seeing) so we need to see how he handles that. GWB will once again try to paint himself as a moderate with Schwarzenegger, Giulinani, etc. speaking at his convention, and make his own play for the center, but he'll just be exposing himself to similar questions from the Kerry camp based on his record to date.

 

[IGBT]

Metro-socialist jibberish...

 

[DubyaDisciple]

The Reinvention Convention to turn Lurch into a Republican didnt work. He just looks bland and boring... as well as ugly.

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple
The Reinvention Convention to turn Lurch into a Republican didnt work. He just looks bland and boring... as well as ugly.

The Reinvention Convention to turn Shrub into a moderate won't work. He just looks stupid and boring... as well as ugly.

Now here's your :cookie; ... We've got Zephyr106 for all of our parody-posting comedy relief needs. You are as irrelevant as you are redundant. Bye.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple
The Reinvention Convention to turn Lurch into a Republican didnt work. He just looks bland and boring... as well as ugly.

where as bush is personable eloquent, and just so plain cute he turns you on!

don't u hate yourself now? back in the closet u go...

 

[arsbanned]

personally if I ever have kids I am hoping for boys, not only are they easier but also because even if their ugly who cares....

As of now, you can hope all you want, but you can't dictate. You're gonna have girls mang. And I'm sure they'll be beautiful, just like Kerry's kids are. When they're yours, everything changes.
[/platitude mode]

 

[Bitek]

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: DubyaDisciple
The Reinvention Convention to turn Lurch into a Republican didnt work. He just looks bland and boring... as well as ugly.

The Reinvention Convention to turn Shrub into a moderate won't work. He just looks stupid and boring... as well as ugly.

Now here's your :cookie; ... We've got Zephyr106 for all of our parody-posting comedy relief needs. You are as irrelevant as you are redundant. Bye.

Fall must be nearing, the nuts are just falling out of the woodwork lately.