Kerry: "We're all God's children"

Riprorin

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That's what Kerry said in the third debate.

Actually, we are all created by God, but we are not all God's children.

To be a child of God, you have to receive his Son, Jesus Christ

John 1: 1 - 14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God -- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Just wanted to clarify that, from a biblical perspective.
 

MegaWorks

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Maybe he meant that god is the creator and we're all his children by "creation".
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
That's what Kerry said in the third debate.

Actually, we are all created by God, but we are not all God's children.

To be a child of God, you have to receive his Son, Jesus Christ

John 1: 1 - 14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God -- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Just wanted to clarify that, from a biblical perspective.


aren't you a jew? if so, why would you be quoting the new testament? maybe because you couldn't find anything in the old testament that fits your particular line of banter?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That's what Kerry said in the third debate.

Actually, we are all created by God, but we are not all God's children.

To be a child of God, you have to receive his Son, Jesus Christ

John 1: 1 - 14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God -- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Just wanted to clarify that, from a biblical perspective.


aren't you a jew? if so, why would you be quoting the new testament? maybe because you couldn't find anything in the old testament that fits your particular line of banter?
He's not Jewish, he's a Fundamentalist Christian as his OP indicates.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Riprorin
That's what Kerry said in the third debate.

Actually, we are all created by God, but we are not all God's children.

To be a child of God, you have to receive his Son, Jesus Christ

John 1: 1 - 14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9 The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God -- 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Just wanted to clarify that, from a biblical perspective.


aren't you a jew? if so, why would you be quoting the new testament? maybe because you couldn't find anything in the old testament that fits your particular line of banter?
He's not Jewish, he's a Fundamentalist Christian as his OP indicates.

Don't know about the labels but I believe this:

How to know God personally
 

Vic

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Different translations interpret that passage differently. The KJV and the Vulgate (and Kerry is Catholic) translate John 1:12 as "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
You just quoted from the New International Version (NIV), an American Protestant only translation, from the International Bible Society of Colorado Springs.

Thank you, troll again.
 

Sonic587

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You're about a week late for your meaningless bashing, Rip. John Kerry lost last week.
 

Riprorin

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Let's look at this passage in the original language.

1:12 [ Greek Font Size: ? / + | Toggle Font ] [ View in: BYZ / TR | Side-by-side | Greek Lexical Parser ]
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But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
osoi de elabon (5627) auton, edwken (5656) autoiv ecousian tekna qeou genesqai, (5635) toiv pisteuousin (5723) eiv to onoma autou,


Strong's Number: 5043 teÑknon
Original Word Word Origin
teÑknon from the base of (5098)
Transliterated Word Phonetic Spelling
Teknon tek'-non
Parts of Speech TDNT
Noun Neuter 5:636,759
Definition
offspring, children
child
a male child, a son
metaph.
the name transferred to that intimate and reciprocal relationship formed between men by the bonds of love, friendship, trust, just as between parents and children
in affectionate address, such as patrons, helpers, teachers and the like employ: my child
in the NT, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters
children of God: in the OT of "the people of Israel" as especially dear to God, in the NT, in Paul's writings, all who are led by the Spirit of God and thus closely related to God
children of the devil: those who in thought and action are prompted by the devil, and so reflect his character
metaph.
of anything who depends upon it, is possessed by a desire or affection for it, is addicted to it
one who is liable to any fate 1c
thus children of a city: it citizens and inhabitants
the votaries of wisdom, those souls who have, as it were, been nurtured and moulded by wisdom
cursed children, exposed to a curse and doomed to God's wrath or penalty

Translated Words
KJV (99) - child, 77; daughter, 1; son, 21;
NAS (100) - child, 13; children, 76; children's, 2; son, 8; sons, 1;