Kerry - unwitting tool of the KGB in 1971

[heartsurgeon]

Another excellent read..

NRO

KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Another excellent read..

NRO

KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."

Excellent read if your tinfiol hat is on to tight!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations"

Anyone in the current administration can make the same claim.

 

[heartsurgeon]

do you believe the article is wrong about soviet manipulation of the peace, anti-war, and nuclear disarmament movements?

 

[GoPackGo]

The communists party's strategy from the 1950's on wasn't direct war, but infiltration by affecting Americas youth. Especially minorities. Anyone who preached against capitalism and freedom but for communism or socialism was a tool of the communist party.

All the communist party wanted of americas youth and especially the minorites was to be their tools.

You can read an excellent essay on the subject by Richard Wright "How I tried to be a communist"

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"As far as I'm concerned, the KGB gave birth to the antiwar movement in America."


No.

Bodies being shipped with no end in sight did that for us. We have carefully avoided that mistake in Iraq. You can't even get accurate counts of wounded.

I have no doubt that the Soviets used demonstrations and had people in the crowd to stir things up. To claim their influence was so great that it CAUSED the whole protest movement is nothing short if incredible. Why stop there? Why not manipulate opinion and have the people elect a Communist govt? This more than strains credulity.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Another excellent read..

NRO

KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."

Excellent read if your tinfiol hat is on to tight!

I'm not quite sure how you can discredit Ion Mihai Pacepa. He was a Romanian KGB General that defected to the US, who writes for the Wall Street Journal along with the NRO.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
"As far as I'm concerned, the KGB gave birth to the antiwar movement in America."


No.

Bodies being shipped with no end in sight did that for us. We have carefully avoided that mistake in Iraq. You can't even get accurate counts of wounded.

I have no doubt that the Soviets used demonstrations and had people in the crowd to stir things up. To claim their influence was so great that it CAUSED the whole protest movement is nothing short if incredible. Why stop there? Why not manipulate opinion and have the people elect a Communist govt? This more than strains credulity.

Maybe a better analogy would be that the KGB provided the episiotomy for the birth to the antiwar movement in America

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Another excellent read..

NRO

KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."

Excellent read if your tinfiol hat is on to tight!

I'm not quite sure how you can discredit Ion Mihai Pacepa. He was a Romanian KGB General that defected to the US, who writes for the Wall Street Journal along with the NRO.

He gives himself and the KGB to much credit. Freedom of Speech and the right to assemble had more to do with the Anti War Movement catching on and being successful than any Communist Spy Agency.

 

[CaptnKirk]

"raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned on the power,
cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

Sounds about right.
HS: were you over there to either confirm or deny that this did, or did not, in fact happen?

Little secret to you here - there is an old Marine saying that has to do with the fact that a dead prisoner
can not testify against a soldier as to what attrocities did happen, you know - "dead men tell no tales.'

Lt. William Calley was know for his heroic effort to save an entire Vietnamese village wasn't he ?
Colin Powell was there too.

I've seen some pictures that I thought we a bit grotesque, but then - what would I know.

Different timeframe - different mind set. Or is it ?

 

[heartsurgeon]

hey Capt'n! a little to much Romulan ale....wrong thread....

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
He gives himself and the KGB to much credit. Freedom of Speech and the right to assemble had more to do with the Anti War Movement catching on and being successful than any Communist Spy Agency.

I agree, much like Reagan tried to take credit for ending the cold war (or at least his fans do). Did he help? Probably. Was he the cause? Get real.

 

[DoubleL]

"raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned on the power,
cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."

How many times do I have to say that is pure BS, It was put out by the so called peace movement, That got a lot of soldiers killed but won't go into that and the cut off ears was from some that were never in combat, Hell combat soldiers never even thought or talked about sex it was food that we talked about, Now if we saw a big T-Bone or even a bowl of beans we would have jumped on that and raped it