Kerry Speedometer to be published, costs of having him as pres.

bozack

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Republicans on Monday will unveil a "spendometer" to show taxpayers just how much they'll have to pay for Sen. John Kerry's (search) spending proposals.

Saying taxpayers will have to pony up more than $1 trillion over 10 years if the Massachusetts senator is elected president and carries out his spending plan, the Bush re-election campaign is trying to convince voters that President Bush's economic plans are better for the country.

That $1 trillion is about $100 billion more than Bush had accused the Democratic senator of eyeing in terms of new programs in a campaign commercial that began airing earlier this month.

"The president has put out a budget," Bush's campaign manager, Ken Mehlman, said Sunday. "We have not seen a budget from Senator Kerry."

The Republican National Committee (search) on Monday "will be unveiling a spendometer which will be a tool which will allow a continuing update of the spending that Senator Kerry has proposed," Mehlman said. The spendometer will be posted on the RNC's Web site, calculating what Republicans are calling Kerry's $1 trillion "tax gap."

In his television commercial, Bush claimed Kerry has proposed programs that would amount to a $900 billion tax increase. Kerry immediately rejected that as bogus.

For more on the campaign, click to view Foxnews.com's You Decide 2004 page.

On Sunday, the Bush campaign countered with a compendium of Kerry proposals that it said it culled from, among other things, news accounts of the four-term senator's campaign.

Kerry has said he wants to extend health insurance to millions of uninsured people and cut costs for those who already have coverage. He has said he would roll back tax breaks for wealthier Americans as part of a plan to offset those costs.

Bush's re-election campaign asserted Sunday that 28 of Kerry's campaign promises would cost $1.7 trillion over 10 years and said the specific proposals he has offered to pay for that would generate only about $700 billion in new government revenue, leaving the more than $1 trillion "tax gap."

"George Bush's tax policies have cost America's workers 3 million jobs and driven us into the largest budget deficit in the nation's history," David Wade, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign in Ketchum, Idaho, said Sunday.

"Despite their credibility gap, the Bush team wants to mislead America about John Kerry's economic policies," he said. "John Kerry will cut taxes on the middle class, roll back the Bush tax cut for the wealthiest Americans and cut the budget deficit in half. That's the kind of change that Americans want and they won't be diverted from voting for it by Republican scare attacks."

The Kerry campaign had said earlier, however, that in light of changing economic conditions, it is reviewing proposals they have put on the table. "We will put out a detailed budget sometime in the future that shows how to get us back on track," campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said.

Various estimates have indicated that Kerry's plan to repeal tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans would save about $250 billion over 10 years.

Mehlman maintained that Kerry's spending proposals "will cost each household an average of $15,500 over 15 years."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114782,00.html
 
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Maybe he's no longer for his own proposals, but plans to vote against them and come up with some other ones. Are we sure he's 'for' his proposals?
 

SuperTool

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The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

Clinton for letting 9/11 happen...blowing up the aspirin factory really pissed them off. Now we are left paying to do what should have been 11 years ago.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

Clinton for letting 9/11 happen...blowing up the aspirin factory really pissed them off. Now we are left paying to do what should have been 11 years ago.

Well, you can always blame Clinton. He is the last president to be responsible for anything done by his administration after all :D
Also, it's more like 13 years ago that Bush's daddy should have finished the job he started in Iraq, not Clinton.
 
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

Clinton for letting 9/11 happen...blowing up the aspirin factory really pissed them off. Now we are left paying to do what should have been 11 years ago.

Well, you can always blame Clinton. He is the last president to be responsible for anything done by his administration after all :D
Also, it's more like 13 years ago that Bush's daddy should have finished the job he started in Iraq, not Clinton.

Why, Iraq had no connection to 911, remember? I like the spin, though. Thanks for playing; try again.
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: bozack
Republicans on Monday will unveil a "spendometer" to show taxpayers just how much they'll have to pay for Sen. John Kerry's (search) spending proposals.

Saying taxpayers will have to pony up more than $1 trillion over 10 years if the Massachusetts senator is elected president and carries out his spending plan, the Bush re-election campaign is trying to convince voters that President Bush's economic plans are better for the country.

Only $1 trillion in 10 years? Dubya would be $5 trillion. Kerry will reduce that by 80%. That is another good reason to vote for Kerry.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

Clinton for letting 9/11 happen...blowing up the aspirin factory really pissed them off. Now we are left paying to do what should have been 11 years ago.

Well, you can always blame Clinton. He is the last president to be responsible for anything done by his administration after all :D
Also, it's more like 13 years ago that Bush's daddy should have finished the job he started in Iraq, not Clinton.

Why, Iraq had no connection to 911, remember? I like the spin, though. Thanks for playing; try again.

I know it didn't. But it is a major chunk of Bush's spending increases. Since you blame Clinton for Bush's and GOP's high spending, I thought you were blaming Clinton for not occupying Iraq.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

The GOP is getting the numbers from a source Kerry has used and cited MANY times to his own advantage.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

The GOP is getting the numbers from a source Kerry has used and cited MANY times to his own advantage.

There are sources and projections, and then there are facts. The fact is this GOP is spending out of control. The other fact is that while GOP Congress passes every spending boondoggle that Bush sends their ways, if Kerry was elected you know they would turn fiscally responsible overnight. It seems like they are only interested in fiscal responsibility when there is a Democrat at the White House.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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The GOP is getting the numbers from a source Kerry has used and cited MANY times to his own advantage.
It still stands to argue that Kerry's $1T proposal sounds better than the very real $1T Bush has already racked up. Of course Bushies will say that he lowered taxes but the truth is he just deferred them. If you toss in the 1/2 Trillion from Bush's Medicare Drug Benefit boondoggle . . . then Bush is already ahead of the curve when it comes to wasting money.
 

classy

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: SuperTool
The irony of the biggest spending fully republican controlled government calling Kerry big spender. Sorry, GOP, noone else left to blame.

Clinton for letting 9/11 happen...blowing up the aspirin factory really pissed them off. Now we are left paying to do what should have been 11 years ago.

Is that all you drones can do is, BLAME CLINTON. Clinton has been out of office 4 years now. And the messes continue to mount. Clinton cleaned up a lot of Bush Sr's messes 3 years into his first term. But I'll give Bush senior a break. After all he was busy giving out pardons, even to folks before they were even put on trial.
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classy

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: classy

But I'll give Bush senior a break. After all he was busy giving out pardons, even to folks before they were even put on trial.
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full list of Clinton pardons and commutations (December 2000)

...one month alone, not to mention the separate pardon for Rich he filed....did we forget?


I didn't see any missle related pardons on that list. I didn't see any pardons that would be consider possible obstruction of justice either. You know, the Borg was destroyed. Maybe you should get counseling for that "collective state of mind" you have. :p
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: bozack
"George Bush's tax policies have cost America's workers 3 million jobs and driven us into the largest budget deficit in the nation's history," David Wade, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign in Ketchum, Idaho, said Sunday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,114782,00.html

would someone please explain CAUSE AND EFFECT to these people? I have yet to see a single economist blame America's job loss on Bush's tax policies. Do people actually believe this??? Are people so uneducated that they will believe anything they are told???
 
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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: classy

But I'll give Bush senior a break. After all he was busy giving out pardons, even to folks before they were even put on trial.
rolleye.gif

full list of Clinton pardons and commutations (December 2000)

...one month alone, not to mention the separate pardon for Rich he filed....did we forget?
Dayum! I forgot about old Willie granting pardons to so many crooks.

That was just his final month's worth of shenanigans....just the tip of the proverbial iceburg.
 

lozina

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The whole use of the word 'speedmeter" is misleading. A speedometer tells you the speed you are currently traveling at- in real time. This Republican 'pseudometer' is pure speculation and supposition based on interprations of Kerry's proposals. A speedometer implies fact, or scientific precision.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: lozina
The whole use of the word 'speedmeter" is misleading. A speedometer tells you the speed you are currently traveling at- in real time. This Republican 'pseudometer' is pure speculation and supposition based on interprations of Kerry's proposals. A speedometer implies fact, or scientific precision.

Since when did facts matter to this administration?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: lozina
The whole use of the word 'speedmeter" is misleading. A speedometer tells you the speed you are currently traveling at- in real time. This Republican 'pseudometer' is pure speculation and supposition based on interprations of Kerry's proposals. A speedometer implies fact, or scientific precision.

he still hasn't given any hard data on his budget plans though, so what is to stop people from inferring?
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Are people so uneducated that they will believe anything they are told???

Dubya is counting on it.

Then: Iraq has massive stockpiles of WMD's. Iraq is an urgent threat. Iraq is linked to 9-11. Iraq has nuclear weapons.

Now: Kerry will raise taxes $900 billion. Kerry is weak on terrorism. Kerry has a mistress. Kerry is a waffler. Kerry was a traitor. Kerry eats babies.
 

Zebo

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Same old simpleton BS. Meanwhile Bush is increasing the welfare state while leaving the next generation to pay for it. Man has no balls. Someone with courage and conviction would seek repeal of the welfare state and big governemnt but the funny thing is 99% appreciate it being there so he knows better. I feel sorry for you youngsters who have to bear the cost of Bush plus intrest.
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: bozack
the Bush re-election campaign is trying to convince voters that President Bush's economic plans are better for the country.

If by "the country" they are referring to India, I wholeheartedly agree.
 

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
The GOP is getting the numbers from a source Kerry has used and cited MANY times to his own advantage.
It still stands to argue that Kerry's $1T proposal sounds better than the very real $1T Bush has already racked up. Of course Bushies will say that he lowered taxes but the truth is he just deferred them. If you toss in the 1/2 Trillion from Bush's Medicare Drug Benefit boondoggle . . . then Bush is already ahead of the curve when it comes to wasting money.

Shh, the so called conservatives are trying to hang Clinton so he doesnt get reelected. They are too busy to deal with the facts.