Kerry says US needs its own 'regime change'

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SuperTool

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Didn't like Kerry much before, but I am starting to turn around. Any guy who not only doesn't take the Republicans' questioning his patriotism, but turns around and questions theirs, gets my support. Republican politicians are hypocrites for the most part, and their hypocrisy needs to be exposed.
 

kylebisme

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eyes?

seriously Ornery, have you not noticed republicans labeling almost anything they don't agree with as unpatriotic?
 

Ornery

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No. I've seen 'em call a spade a spade when people are being dumb asses!

Edit: BTW, where's the damn link(s)? :frown:
 

kylebisme

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i don't see why SuperTool should bother considering the likelihood that the links would just look like more spades to you.
 

Ornery

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All mouth with NOTHING to back it up... as usual.

Dipsh|ts causing traffic problems by laying in the streets are not "unpatriotic", they're flippin' morons! Kerry mouthing off about "needing a regime change in the United States", doesn't make him unpatriotic, it makes him a GD ASS! Hah, your best candidate so far! Might as well put up one of yours who better represents you!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Didn't like Kerry much before, but I am starting to turn around. Any guy who not only doesn't take the Republicans' questioning his patriotism, but turns around and questions theirs, gets my support. Republican politicians are hypocrites for the most part, and their hypocrisy needs to be exposed.

Hypocrisy like this?

"None of us knows why Saddam decided to test us now," Kerry said. "But if the history of the last six years has taught us anything, it is
that Saddam Hussein does not understand diplomacy, he only understands power, and when he brandishes power in a manner that threatens our interests or violates internationally accepted standards of behavior, we must be prepared to respond--and with force if necessary." [emphasis added] Such force, Kerry went on, might well be used unilaterally: "The United States under President Bush and then President Clinton, led these earlier efforts to contain Saddam. Whereas some of our allies in the region are constrained from acting on this occasion, we are not." Senator John Kerry.
 

NightTrain

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New Poll: Kerry Would Lose To Bush
Last Poll Showed Senator With Commanding Lead

POSTED: 6:48 a.m. EDT May 21, 2003

BOSTON -- The presidential campaign of Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry received some startling news Wednesday from his own back yard.

A poll recently conducted by the research institute Mass Insight shows Kerry trailing President Bush in the race for president in the Bay State.

The poll, which involved 500 Massachusetts voters at the end of April, shows the president with a 6 percentage point lead -- the exact numbers have not been released.

This stands in stark contrast to a similar poll taken by the group in January. Back then, Kerry had a commanding 16 point lead in Massachusetts in a theoretical matchup with the president.


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CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: NightTrain
New Poll: Kerry Would Lose To Bush
Last Poll Showed Senator With Commanding Lead

POSTED: 6:48 a.m. EDT May 21, 2003

BOSTON -- The presidential campaign of Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry received some startling news Wednesday from his own back yard.

A poll recently conducted by the research institute Mass Insight shows Kerry trailing President Bush in the race for president in the Bay State.

The poll, which involved 500 Massachusetts voters at the end of April, shows the president with a 6 percentage point lead -- the exact numbers have not been released.

This stands in stark contrast to a similar poll taken by the group in January. Back then, Kerry had a commanding 16 point lead in Massachusetts in a theoretical matchup with the president.


Copyright 2003 by TheBostonChannel. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

HeHe - I was a passenger in a car today that had Rush on and I caught this part of his show. He didn't play it up much though.

:D

CkG
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: exp
Yikes. :Q I would like to see Bush gone, but the level of admiration for the UN being exhibited by Kerry is indicative of some seriously flawed judgment on his part. If he backs off the UN-humping then maybe I will reconsider my opinion of him, but as things stand right now I can only hope he is not nominated.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the anti-UN sentiment in this country. We say the UN is irrelevent only because it would not serve our purposes. The perception that the United States is imperialistic is one big reason why so many people in the world hate our country. Saying that the UN is irrelevent now only serves to reinforce that opinion among people. I think all of the countries who stood up against us did something that needed to be done at some point, they just picked a bad time to do it. At some point someone needs to stand up the United States and tell us that we are not the world's police man. (side note: I like Bush; I voted for him; but I do believe the war in Iraq was more about marketing and making Americans feel safe than about eliminating a real threat to our country)

As for Kerry saying the United States needs a regime change - I took that as a tongue in cheek reference to the way the Bush administration used that word to reinforce the perception that the war was necessary. Regime is synonymous with government, but regime has a negative connotation.

Now, why did I say that the war was more about marketing? Look at our reason(s) for going to war. We said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Assuming he did, what was he going to do with them? He has no missiles capable of reaching us. He could sell them to terrorists who could theoretically get them into the U.S., but if he was going to do that he's had the last 12 years (or more) to do it. Then it turned into liberating the Iraqis from an oppressive government. That's all well and good, but like I said before, the United States is not the world's policeman, and acting like we are will only reinforce the opinions of all the people who hate us. My OPINION of what the real motivation behind the war is that it was meant to provide us with a sense of security. After we failed to find Osama Bin Laden, we needed a big(ger) victory.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: tcsenter

I think Kerry should have been clearer in his definition of what form of government he plans to setup after his successful coup attempt. He needs to go ahead and write a new plan of the form of government he wants; ie how many branches of government, how elections are held (or not held), power structure, courts, etc. I'm sure once he lays it all out before the American people he'll get many supporters for his upcoming coup.

Blowing his comments out of proportion doesn't help anything. He clearly wasn't advocating a change in the structure of the government.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: DanJ


Yea, thats a brilliant generalization. Gore at least wasn't AWOL during Vietnam.

Yeah... he didn't do a whole lot of fighting either though. :)

Our economy is horrible

Well, you COULD blame Bush for the economy, but I think the dot-com bust and the corporate scandals had a bigger part in it... It was under Clinton that the dot-coms were trading at ridiculous prices... it was only a matter of time before the "new economy" collapsed. And the corporate scandals can't be blamed on Bush.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: BDawg

If Gore did indeed lose Florida, how many votes was it by?

Back when Gore and his supporters were whining that the election was so close in Florida that Gore surely had to have won, and that he won the popular vote so he deserved to be president, I did a little bit of math. The margin in Florida, as a percentage of the vote, was larger than the percentage that Gore beat Bush by in the popular vote. I don't recall if that was based on the preliminary results for the popular vote or the final results. Regardless, Bush didn't demand a recount of the popular vote, because he won the election fairly. If Gore had even won his home state, he would have won the election without all of the people in Florida who couldn't understand the butterfly ballot. Gore's big mistake was not letting Clinton campaign for him.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

Actually, I didn't care much for Gore either, and at one point, I was more of a fan of Bush than I'd like to admit now. But everything he's done since he stepped into the White House has made me realize just how inadequate he is to be appointed the President. Maybe you missed it though, because more PEOPLE voted for Gore than Bush, regardless of some electorial college crap that makes it possible for the loser to actually prevail.

If you want to complain about the electoral college and all that, look at the 1888 election, not 2000. :) There were some pretty shady dealings in that election, including electoral college delegates voting the opposite their state's popular vote.
 

NightTrain

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Originally posted by: ELP
Note to Democrats: When elected, when all else fails, go to war. Re-election is almost gauranteed.

You must have missed the 1992 elections.
 

Alistar7

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"I dont think the dems will have near as easy a time to remove Bush, unless Bush does something real stupid before the re-election. IMHO"


not sure who said that, but be carefull, that is Bush you are talking about , not exactly the Einstein of the White House...