Kerry says US needs its own 'regime change'

dudleydocker

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Oh boy, another election, I can hardly wait......

I know 41 had sky-high approval ratings post gulf war I and ultimately lost his bid for reelection, so anything is possible. But I don't remember hearing this kind of crap from the Democrats DURING THE WAR.



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By Glen Johnson, Globe Staff, 4/3/2003

Senator John F. Kerry said yesterday that President Bush committed a ''breach of trust'' in the eyes of many United Nations members by going to war with Iraq, creating a diplomatic chasm that will not be bridged as long as Bush remains in office.



''What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,'' Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library.

Despite pledging two weeks ago to cool his criticism of the administration once war began, Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.

By echoing the ''regime change'' line popular with hundreds of thousands of antiwar protesters who have demonstrated across the nation in recent weeks, the Massachusetts senator and Democratic presidential contender seemed to be reaching out to a newly invigorated constituency as rival Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont and a vocal opponent of the war in Iraq, closes in on Kerry in opinion polls.

Kerry said that he had spoken with foreign diplomats and several world leaders as recently as Monday while fund-raising in New York and that they told him they felt betrayed when Bush resorted to war in Iraq before they believed diplomacy had run its course.

He said the leaders, whom he did not identify, believed that Bush wanted to ''end-run around the UN.''

''I don't think they're going to trust this president, no matter what,'' Kerry said. ''I believe it deeply, that it will take a new president of the United States, declaring a new day for our relationship with the world, to clear the air and turn a new page on American history.''

With a dig at Bush's previous lack of foreign policy experience, Kerry said he would usher in a new US foreign policy if he stood before the United Nations as president.

''I believe we can have a golden age of American diplomacy,'' he said, outlining his own foreign policy credentials in the speech. ''But it will take a new president who is prepared to lead, and who has, frankly, a little more experience than visiting the sum total of two countries'' before taking office.

The criticism appeared to contradict statements Kerry made on March 18, just a day before Bush authorized military action to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

Kerry, who previously had been critical of Bush's efforts to reach out to the international community, was reluctant that day to answer when a television crew asked him whether the administration had handled its diplomatic efforts poorly.

''You know, we're beyond that now,'' the senator said after addressing the International Association of Fire Fighters. ''We have to come together as a country to get this done and heal the wounds.''

Kerry, a Navy veteran of Vietnam, said he strongly supported US troops. ''There will be plenty of time here to be critical about how we arrived here,'' he said at that time. In response to questions after his speech yesterday, Kerry reiterated his support for the troops.

He also joined the administration in blasting ''armchair generals'' who are criticizing the war plan.

''War is war,'' he said. ''It's tough, and I think there's a little too much armchair quarterbacking and Monday-morning reviewing going on. I think we need to trust in the process for a few days here. This is only [14] days old, and they've achieved quite a remarkable advance in that period of time.''

When asked to square his criticism with his pledge of restraint two weeks earlier, Kerry first said that he had tempered his criticism of the administration's diplomatic efforts.

Then he said: ''It is possible that the word `regime change' is too harsh. Perhaps it is.''

Finally, he said his overall criticism of the administration was part of ''the healthy democracy of the United States of America'' and no different from some of the war critiques published on the front page of major newspapers. ''Is that unpatriotic?'' he asked.

A top Republican strategist, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Kerry was ''free to express his beliefs, but if anyone should be aware of the sensitivities of how our leaders should be conducting themselves while we're at war, I would think Senator Kerry would.''

''The president doesn't have the luxury of a campaign timeline to address the crisis of terrorism and its manifestation in Saddam Hussein,'' the strategist said.

During his opening remarks and on several occasions as he answered questions from the audience of more than 100 people, Kerry said he was the most experienced candidate in either party in terms of foreign policy and national security background.

''We need a president of the United States who has a vision of the world that is very different from what these excessively ideological unilateralists want to thrust on us and the rest of the world,'' said the 18-year veteran of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Taking aim at Attorney General John D. Ashcroft at one point, the senator added: ''One of the reasons why I am running for president of the United States is that I look forward with pleasure and zeal for the opportunity to appoint an attorney general of the United States who believes and reads and abides by the Constitution.''

Kerry was equally critical of his rivals for the Democratic nomination.

''I believe that I have a better capacity than any other candidate running in the field to be able to stand up and address questions of national security and America's role in the world with credibility and history, and to be able to move us to those areas where we win, which is on the domestic agenda,'' he said.

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Edit: check out the picture of this Bozo on Drudge Is it just me or does anyone else think this guy looks like a bad soap opera actor?
 

yowolabi

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Regime change sounds good to me. Not necessarily Kerry, but I have trouble envisioning anyone being worse than Bush.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
Regime change sounds good to me. Not necessarily Kerry, but I have trouble envisioning anyone being worse than Bush.

I can imagine a few ;)

I'm fine with voting for someone different in 2004 if I feel they are the person for the job.

Personally, I'd love to see a huge overhaul of the way Washington works...starting with the revamping of PACs and Lobbyists.
 

NightTrain

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Let's play de ping pong:


"None of us knows why Saddam decided to test us now," Kerry said. "But if the history of the last six years has taught us anything, it is
that Saddam Hussein does not understand diplomacy, he only understands power, and when he brandishes power in a manner that threatens our interests or violates internationally accepted standards of behavior, we must be prepared to respond--and with force if necessary." [emphasis added] Such force, Kerry went on, might well be used unilaterally: "The United States under President Bush and then President Clinton, led these earlier efforts to contain Saddam. Whereas some of our allies in the region are constrained from acting on this occasion, we are not." Senator John Kerry.



 

DanJ

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Kerry's a cool guy; he's no Howard Dean but he's probably the more likely end candidate (over Dean).

I will rest easy after the 2004 election, knowing Bush is out of office.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Great! He's just digging his own grave. I love it.

WeRd. He just busted a few of his financial supporters. I also bet this won't get a lot of news play on broadcast sources much since it will likely damage his career a bit.
 

Wag

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WeRd. He just busted a few of his financial supporters.
He doesn't need any financial supporters- he can fund the whole campaign himself if he wanted to. His wife's family is one of the richest families in the US.

He's a good guy- he's also a war hero, so the Republicans won't be able to accuse him of being unpatriotic.

Still- even though he's my Senator, I don't see how he could beat Bush right now- he's the best candidate the Dems have, but we need a better one.
 

TheNinja

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Does he realize that a large majority of the US would vote for Bush now? So he is just ranting to the minority of people? This is what I gathered from his little speech there. "We need change, pick me, I'm different and better". Is that really different than any challenger has ever said?......Nope

Bush in 2004!!!!!
 

Wag

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You don't live in Ma then. We've been hearing it constantly- from Kerry and Kenedy.
 

dudleydocker

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"You don't live in Ma then. We've been hearing it constantly- from Kerry and Kenedy. "

it goes without saying, you have my sympathies.
 

tcsenter

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Kerry is just trying to mine up some more support than the dismal levels he had the for the last Democratic primary, and doing not only a rather distasteful job of it, but in a very contradictory manner, too, which will later come back to bite him in the ass.
''I don't think they're going to trust this president, no matter what,'' Kerry said. ''I believe it deeply, that it will take a new president of the United States, declaring a new day for our relationship with the world, to clear the air and turn a new page on American history.''

With a dig at Bush's previous lack of foreign policy experience, Kerry said he would usher in a new US foreign policy if he stood before the United Nations as president.

''I believe we can have a golden age of American diplomacy,'' he said, outlining his own foreign policy credentials in the speech. ''But it will take a new president who is prepared to lead, and who has, frankly, a little more experience than visiting the sum total of two countries'' before taking office.
Translation: I will ensure that the interests of the United States are secondary to the whim and haw of the do-nothing United Nations. Their policy will be our policy, to whatever extent it harms our national interests.
 

Alistar7

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WTF he wants a regime change?????? Well let him attack the Bush administration, I'm sure he can spare a few troops for that battle......
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hopefully CNN will embed a reporter for his assault on the white house, that should be funny...
 

exp

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Yikes. :Q I would like to see Bush gone, but the level of admiration for the UN being exhibited by Kerry is indicative of some seriously flawed judgment on his part. If he backs off the UN-humping then maybe I will reconsider my opinion of him, but as things stand right now I can only hope he is not nominated.

 

SuperTool

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I think the American people are entitled to a democratically elected president no less that the Iraqi people. (I'll get over it when it's over with)
And as far as Bush's support, big deal. Look at his daddy. He had enormous support during gulf war, but was given an early retirement by Bill Clinton.
It's the economy, stupid. This war distractions are going to wear off unless the economy turns around. Bush's economic policy is a dismal failure. He doomed this country to a decade of deficits, with nothing to show for it.
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: dudleydocker
Taking aim at Attorney General John D. Ashcroft at one point, the senator added: ''One of the reasons why I am running for president of the United States is that I look forward with pleasure and zeal for the opportunity to appoint an attorney general of the United States who believes and reads and abides by the Constitution.''

YES!!!

 
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Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: dudleydocker
Taking aim at Attorney General John D. Ashcroft at one point, the senator added: ''One of the reasons why I am running for president of the United States is that I look forward with pleasure and zeal for the opportunity to appoint an attorney general of the United States who believes and reads and abides by the Constitution.''

YES!!!

That alone gets him my vote.
 

mastertech01

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There is only one reason Bush 41 didnt get a second go, his name was Ross Perot. Clinton got re-elected based on his false economy, of which we all see how it was achieved by all the scandals being now revealed to get the stock market to shoot through the roof.

I dont think the dems will have near as easy a time to remove Bush, unless Bush does something real stupid before the re-election. IMHO
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: dudleydocker
Taking aim at Attorney General John D. Ashcroft at one point, the senator added: ''One of the reasons why I am running for president of the United States is that I look forward with pleasure and zeal for the opportunity to appoint an attorney general of the United States who believes and reads and abides by the Constitution.''

YES!!!

That alone gets him my vote.


heck if he would pass a law that would insure such things for all government officials, i would even consider voting him for dictator. :D
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: PipBoy
Originally posted by: dudleydocker
Taking aim at Attorney General John D. Ashcroft at one point, the senator added: ''One of the reasons why I am running for president of the United States is that I look forward with pleasure and zeal for the opportunity to appoint an attorney general of the United States who believes and reads and abides by the Constitution.''

YES!!!

That alone gets him my vote.

YAY!