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Kerry On The Attack in Florida

conjur

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...0922/ap_on_el_pr/kerry
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), citing the war in Iraq (news - web sites) and other trouble spots in the world, raised the possibility Wednesday that a military draft could be reinstated if voters re-elect President Bush (news - web sites).

Kerry said he would not bring back the draft and questioned how fairly it was administered in the past.

Answering a question about the draft that had been posed at a forum with voters, Kerry said: "If George Bush (news - web sites) were to be re-elected, given the way he has gone about this war and given his avoidance of responsibility in North Korea (news - web sites) and Iran and other places, is it possible? I can't tell you."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other Pentagon (news - web sites) officials have been asked numerous times whether they thought a draft would be necessary to maintain force levels in Iraq. They have said consistently that they think it is neither necessary nor desirable, since today's military is built on volunteer service and professionalism.

His voice scratchy and breaking from a cold, Kerry called the president's proposal to give workers partly private Social Security (news - web sites) accounts a windfall for financial companies and one that will cut benefits for senior citizens.

"He's driving seniors right out of the middle class," Kerry said in a battleground state rich with voters keenly watching the candidates talk about two pillars of retirement, Social Security and Medicare.

"I will never privatize Social Security, ever," Kerry said, repeating promises not to raise the retirement age or cut benefits.

Kerry's two-day swing through Florida, which began Tuesday, follows deadly hurricanes that nearly halted polling and politicking in the state. Bush made his third campaign-season trip to Florida this week to assess damage caused by Hurricane Ivan. Kerry has been to the state that decided the 2000 election nine times this year.

Kerry opened the town hall-style meeting about government benefits by repeating his charges that the president is divorced from realities in Iraq and ignoring the manhunt for terrorists in Afghanistan (news - web sites). "Osama bin Forgotten," Kerry said.

Noting that the campaign Tuesday night neared Disney's "fantasy land" in Orlando, Fla., Kerry said: "The difference between George Bush and me is that I drove by it. He lives in it."


Returning to seniors' issues, Kerry said Bush made life harder for seniors with a Medicare drug benefit that doesn't let the government bargain for lower costs.

Kerry also cited a study by Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago business professor and informal adviser to the Kerry campaign, to say the president's Social Security proposal will cost seniors.

Bush favors allowing young workers to create voluntary personal savings accounts with some of the money they now pay into the Social Security system, a change he insists will not increase payroll taxes or change benefits for retirees or near retirees.

Goolsbee examined one model that proposes workers set aside a small percentage of their pay in private accounts as a method to adjust Social Security to a rapidly graying population, concluding that fees charged by financial companies could reap them hundreds of billions of dollars and eat 20 percent of the benefits in an account held by a worker making an average salary.

The Bush-Cheney campaign said the study makes assumptions based on policy decisions not yet made and contended that Kerry hasn't explained how he'd meet the challenges posed to Social Security by aging Baby Boomers.

"His record is one of voting for higher taxes on current retirees and ignoring the needs of future retirees," said Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt.

Kerry wants to bolster the retirement program by reducing the deficit and expanding the economy. Some experts say economic growth might be insufficient to cover future benefits because those benefits grow as wages increase.

The Massachusetts senator also wants to improve Medicare by retooling the recently passed prescription drug benefit to let the government negotiate for bulk discounts on drugs.


Kerry has been delivering some knockout speeches this week. A definite strong closing is upon us.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Gravity
I'd say a solid single to right field, not a knockout punch.
Stop listening to Rush. That's what he called Kerry's speech from Monday.

Kerry did deal a knockout punch to Bush.

The polls are already showing a swing up and just wait until next week and then the debates.

Bush is a crafty person when it comes to debates, he beat Gore in 2000. And setting the lowered-expectation stage for him is another crafty move by Rove.
 
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Noting that the campaign Tuesday night neared Disney's "fantasy land" in Orlando, Fla., Kerry said: "The difference between George Bush and me is that I drove by it. He lives in it."
Hehe. Except for Kerry's Mickey Mouse campaign.
 

kage69

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Noting that the campaign Tuesday night neared Disney's "fantasy land" in Orlando, Fla., Kerry said: "The difference between George Bush and me is that I drove by it. He lives in it."


Ain't that the godamn sad truth. America is a car with a blindfolded 8-year old at the wheel. :(
 

arsbanned

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Kerry should continue to hit Bush on this war and all the others Wolfowitz and Cheney have planned for the near future.
 

element

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Kerry seems desperate, and reaching, when he says Bush might reinstate the draft. Trying to use fear to garner votes?

I mean yeah Bush has no exit strategy for Iraq, and if he does, he's not telling the American people about it yet. And if it becomes another vietnam, but its doubtful that will happen. And the news from Iraq does sound grim lately, but then again that might not continue, who knows.

Wait was was I saying again? ;)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: element
Kerry seems desperate, and reaching, when he says Bush might reinstate the draft. Trying to use fear to garner votes?

I mean yeah Bush has no exit strategy for Iraq, and if he does, he's not telling the American people about it yet. And if it becomes another vietnam, but its doubtful that will happen. And the news from Iraq does sound grim lately, but then again that might not continue, who knows.

Wait was was I saying again? ;)
Bush good, Kerry bad?

 

slyedog

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kerry has hit the desperation button. bring up the race card, cutting out social security, reinstating the
draft, bring in crazy carville and lying lockhart. and all the flip flopping. he needs to keep his wife
with him also or is she back at home learning english? same old lib crap!!!!!!!!!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: slyedog
kerry has hit the desperation button. bring up the race card, cutting out social security, reinstating the
draft, bring in crazy carville and lying lockhart. and all the flip flopping. he needs to keep his wife
with him also or is she back at home learning english? same old lib crap!!!!!!!!!
At least according to you Neo Clowns.
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: slyedog
kerry has hit the desperation button. bring up the race card, cutting out social security, reinstating the
draft, bring in crazy carville and lying lockhart. and all the flip flopping. he needs to keep his wife
with him also or is she back at home learning english? same old lib crap!!!!!!!!!
At least according to you Neo Clowns.

Kerry Good, Bush Bad?
 

element

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: element
Kerry seems desperate, and reaching, when he says Bush might reinstate the draft. Trying to use fear to garner votes?

I mean yeah Bush has no exit strategy for Iraq, and if he does, he's not telling the American people about it yet. And if it becomes another vietnam, but its doubtful that will happen. And the news from Iraq does sound grim lately, but then again that might not continue, who knows.

Wait was was I saying again? ;)
Bush good, Kerry bad?

nah being desperate doesn't make him bad, just desperate.
 

DealMonkey

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Kerry's new advisers seem to be aiding him in simplifying his message and positions. Left to his own devices, Kerry tends to go off on tangents, endlessly talking about what should be a simple straightforward point. Someone had to save him from himself. ;) He's definitely doing what he needs to do, which is to boil his positions down to the simplest form possible, hammer them over and over in his speeches and draw a sharp distinction between his proposed policies and President Bush's in-place policies.

It might actually work.
 

Cobalt

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Gravity
I'd say a solid single to right field, not a knockout punch.
Stop listening to Rush. That's what he called Kerry's speech from Monday.

Kerry did deal a knockout punch to Bush.

The polls are already showing a swing up and just wait until next week and then the debates.

Bush is a crafty person when it comes to debates, he beat Gore in 2000. And setting the lowered-expectation stage for him is another crafty move by Rove.

I might let you all know how the Townhall Debate goes. I actually might be going, outlook good so far.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Kerry's new advisers seem to be aiding him in simplifying his message and positions. Left to his own devices, Kerry tends to go off on tangents, endlessly talking about what should be a simple straightforward point. Someone had to save him from himself. ;) He's definitely doing what he needs to do, which is to boil his positions down to the simplest form possible, hammer them over and over in his speeches and draw a sharp distinction between his proposed policies and President Bush's in-place policies.

It might actually work.

Kerry has always been known as an October candidate.... that trend may continue. Buckle up kids, this ride should be good.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: slyedog
<absolute drivel snipped>

I just think it's such a waste when people post complete and utter nonsense based on hot topics on the AM radio talking heads' shows.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: slyedog
<absolute drivel snipped>

I just think it's such a waste when people post complete and utter nonsense based on hot topics on the AM radio talking heads' shows.

Conjur now don't you know that where they come from these shows air on FM? Here in the midwest, yes, they are all relegated to AM talk radio. Driving though this great nation on my way down to Florida from Michigan this spring the further south you got, the more and more those talk shows were on the FM dial.
 

conjur

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Guess I should listen to the radio more when I drive to FL on vacation.

Or...maybe not! :D
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: element
Kerry seems desperate, and reaching, when he says Bush might reinstate the draft. Trying to use fear to garner votes?

I mean yeah Bush has no exit strategy for Iraq, and if he does, he's not telling the American people about it yet. And if it becomes another vietnam, but its doubtful that will happen. And the news from Iraq does sound grim lately, but then again that might not continue, who knows.

Wait was was I saying again? ;)

Surely not as desperate as cheney suggesting we'd come under terrorist attack if kerry were elected.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: conjur
Kerry has been delivering some knockout speeches this week. A definite strong closing is upon us.

Actually it sounds like desperation to me. He's flailing around trying to make "big" statements hoping they'll connect because he knows it's his only chance. Too bad(for kerry) the American people are smart enough to see right through his BS.

CsG
 

conjur

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LOL!! CsG is running scared and making up crap now. Kerry is getting rave reviews from all around that he is ON MESSAGE and HITTING HARD!
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: conjur
LOL!! CsG is running scared and making up crap now. Kerry is getting rave reviews from all around that he is ON MESSAGE and HITTING HARD!

Rave reviews from who? You?