Kerry: Many U.S. Military Back Him as Their Commander
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Don Vito Corleone
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I'm active-duty military, and I support Kerry. I know a lot of others who feel the same way. I'm sure we are in the minority, but we do exist.
The fact that Kerry states foreign leaders want him is enough reason alone to vote against him. Do we want foreign leaders playing politics in our Country? This is why the Libs are trying to open up our voting booths to anyone with a pulse. After all H. Clinton is trying to give anyone with just a green card the right to vote and why so many Libs are apposed to showing an ID before you vote. There are already many states that don't require you to show an ID or proof that you are even registered to vote.
Don Vito Corleone
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In all fairness, I don't think Sen Kerry has said anything to indicate he would bow to the whims of a foreign leader; he just said that certain foreign leaders had expressed to him a desire for a different president.
I agree with you that the opinions of foreign leaders shouldn't control who runs our country or every decision he or she makes, but foreign relations are clearly important to America's continued success and leadership in the world community.
JESUS CHRIST. This has been retracted and corrected. Kerry did not say "foreign," he said "more." As for the millitary, I hope he's right.
ehm, I think kerry meant that foreign leaders would respect hime more than bush, which sounds about right cous the general feeling here is that the man (bush) is an idiot with a very big gun (the us army) blasting semi-random countries on semi-random evidence. hell ... if he stays another four years there almost has to be another country invaded ... i'd bet on it.
the problem is that bush has broken so many agreements made between the US and other countries that he just has no creddibility, he stepped out of kyoto, the nuclear treaty for his missle shield, he ignored the UN, etc ... despite what you may or may not think of those treaties and/or their validity the point still remains that bush has burned many bridges between the US and europe.
you might think now, good we dont need those european bastards etc ... might be right, but it cannot hurt to have some friends in international politics.
the problem is that bush has broken so many agreements made between the US and other countries that he just has no creddibility, he stepped out of kyoto, the nuclear treaty for his missle shield, he ignored the UN, etc ... despite what you may or may not think of those treaties and/or their validity the point still remains that bush has burned many bridges between the US and europe.
you might think now, good we dont need those european bastards etc ... might be right, but it cannot hurt to have some friends in international politics.
One of the guys I lift with on Saturday mornings (in one hour) has been a Republican his whole voting life. Last Saturday I got into it with one of my right wing buddies who makes Rush sound like a flaming liberal and this guy pipes up with "I've decided not to vote." That's a long sentence for this guy who is the very, very strong silent type. I said: "Say, what?" He just looked at me and nodded. Of course, the third guy (Mr. Right Winger) goes nuts and tells him he is no American. At that point I just backed slowly into a corner because both of these guys are HUGE and that was a big stick in the eye. Mr. Strong Silent type stood up and rolled his shoulders and his neck and just smiled wickedly at the other guy who was scowling, but realized he'd crossed the line and probably shouldn't say any more.
Anyway, this is what political extremists do best-they alienate most people. Right wingers alienate me with their hyper-testosterone loaded rhetoric and the radical left leaves me laughing at the impracticality of so many of their ideas.
I'm going back in a few minutes and I'll bet no one says a word about politics.
-Robert
Anyway, this is what political extremists do best-they alienate most people. Right wingers alienate me with their hyper-testosterone loaded rhetoric and the radical left leaves me laughing at the impracticality of so many of their ideas.
I'm going back in a few minutes and I'll bet no one says a word about politics.
-Robert
Boran said: he stepped out of Kyoto, the nuclear treaty for his missile shield; he ignored the UN, etc
OK Kyoto, give me a break do you have any idea how many other Countries have Ratified this treaty? I do out of all the Countries involved only ONE country has accepted its terms. I even know what country but you can look that up for yourself. The Nuclear treaty, the country that we signed that with the Soviet Union IS GONE they don?t exist anymore so there was no reason to be pinned down to that lame treaty. We did not ignore the UN but they are incapable of acting on there own threats and they rendered themselves impotent all on there own. Lets not forget the Oil for food program that might be the biggest scandal of our times, while Millions of Iraqi?s starved Saddam and the GREAT UN GOT RICH. Get your facts straight before bashing this country pal or its leaders.
OK Kyoto, give me a break do you have any idea how many other Countries have Ratified this treaty? I do out of all the Countries involved only ONE country has accepted its terms. I even know what country but you can look that up for yourself. The Nuclear treaty, the country that we signed that with the Soviet Union IS GONE they don?t exist anymore so there was no reason to be pinned down to that lame treaty. We did not ignore the UN but they are incapable of acting on there own threats and they rendered themselves impotent all on there own. Lets not forget the Oil for food program that might be the biggest scandal of our times, while Millions of Iraqi?s starved Saddam and the GREAT UN GOT RICH. Get your facts straight before bashing this country pal or its leaders.
do you want a president whos policy is to alienate the country from the rest of the world so in the end having only 5 or fewer real allies left?
would you care to mention what country that is, just so that I get the idea, cous I already know of two ... so I dont get yer point bout kyoto, and you cant deny the usefullness of that treaty
the un did not make any threats to act upon, it was all interpretation of the sentence "harsh measures" or some sorts, dunno exact wording, but it was pretty vague.
countries publicly committed to the Coalition:
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Costa Rica
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Tonga
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
United States
Uzbekistan
combined population of over 1 billion,
combined GDP of over 20 Trillion dollar.
am i wrong about Iceland?
"Iceland supports the U.S. and has offered use of it's airspace, airports, and help during reconstruction. Prime Minister Oddsson has also pledged his support for the military enforcement of Resolution 1441."
i think you have been listeniong to much to the Democrat propaganda in an election year.
France and Germany are not the totality of the rest of the world.
Bowfinger
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The so-called Coalition of the Willing represents less than 20% of the world's population (including the U.S.). Even then, the people of the "willing" countries largely opposed the war. Excluding the U.S. and Britain, the "willing" represent about 20% of the world GDP. Only Britain and Australia offered more than a couple hundred troops. Many of the "willing" countries offered no support whatsoever beyond allowing their names to be listed. At least a couple of "willing" countries denied supporting the invasion at all.
Many of the "willing" are there because we either paid them directly, or threatened to withhold aid. Eight countries are there because they want into NATO; Bush said the U.S. would veto the memberships of any country that did not join the "willing". Outside of politics, that's usually called extortion.
More noteworthy is all of the major countries who are NOT on the list: Russia, France, Germany, China, India, Canada, Mexico, Belgium, Austria, Greece, South Africa along with most of the rest of Africa, Brazil along with most of Central and South America, and Saudi Arabia along with most of the Middle Eastern countries who did support the 1991 action. Turkey is listed as "willing" (after we offered billions of dollars), but their support was inconsistent to say the least. The "willing" does NOT include 11 of the 15 UN Security Council members.
No matter how much Bush tries to spin it, this was a US/UK invasion with an assortment of minor hangers-on offering their names in return for political favor. Pretending otherwise just damages your credibility. It would be better to acknowledge it for what it was and move on to other issues.
I'd just like to point out that Iceland has pretty much always supported the US. I honestly can't think of a single time since around WWII that it hasn't done so. So I think it's safe to assume that Iceland would support the US even if there wasn't a "Coalition". It's an interesting relationship going on there. Iceland provides the strategic location the US needed, and Iceland in return got the US's Military protection.
It's one of those "Here's some land, put a base there so we feel comfy" kinda things (or at least it was). I know I'm over simplifying things, but that's pretty much how I see it.
Because Bush is stupid he is incapable of the kind of complex moral analysis that is required to navigate a powerful and important nation through the complexities of the modern world. As a result he fell prey to the designs of a small minority of thinkers called Neocons, whose ideas represent a fanatical idealism as dangerous as all the other isms and paroxysms of mental illness that have rocked our world. These people suffer a profound inner fear and insecurity that creates within them a desperate need for control. This sick need, like all other compulsions creates its own imperatives and rationalizations as to why those needs must be met, but as with all sicknesses which have at root the driving flight from fear, they are insatiable. Once set in motion and unopposed they devour whole worlds like cancer. There is no external answer to mental illness, no palliative that can quench its lust for power. Only self understanding can save the sick man. It is the duty of the relatively healthy in a democracy to advise others of the danger and to vote the sick ones out. Nothing could be more obvious than the need to remove the Catastrophe from office. Just on a statistical basis the possibility that Kerry could be worse than Bush is almost nil. The fact that he is a liberal means that he is already psychologically at odds with the Neocon disease. Please wake up and vote him out. Try to see how feelings of inferiority are what Bush strums you with. You love his aggression because you feel inwardly so weak and you are so afraid. He makes you feel safe like a big strong Dad. Time to grow up and see that you are already a man and everything you fear happened long ago. What you want and have always wanted isn't a big dick ego. What you have always wanted is tenderness and love. Because you were brutalized for feeling that you were turned to stone. Liberalism is the feeble attempt to reignite that love. Add your small coal to that kindling so that humanity can awaken from its nightmare.
Moonbeam:
Sheezh, dude, you are brilliant. Where is the Nobel Prize Committee when we need them.
I'm not kidding.
-Robert
Sheezh, dude, you are brilliant. Where is the Nobel Prize Committee when we need them.
I'm not kidding.
-Robert
LunarRay
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Moonbeam,
Re: your most immediate post in this thread.
Quite the analysis you proffer. The lust for power to sate the need for love... to replace it, I suppose. On one hand the need to acquire the power to diminish the effects of those in power suffering from the Mooneration [the adoption of 'feel good' scenarios to avoid dealing with psychological trauma] of self despise-ment. And, on the other we have the burning uncontrollable desire to feed this psycho monster's voracious appetite. Interesting...
Both sides seek the power but, for different reasons. Both sides may indeed be supported and advised by folks with well intentioned and healthy minds or be of equally ill mind sets possessing great intellectual prowess such that casual or even indepth analysis may not detect the underlying motivation of their propoundments... Each may well be clothed in the the guise of sheep so it is their factual actions we are challenged to find and observe... A heavy task to undertake.... Which brings me to my question..
It appears there is only a polar reality... that is; there is no degree to measure to... it is or it is not healthy (for us and for the world) to have certain folks lead as president and as such when the undesirable behaviour is recognized the only choice is to vote these folks out of office ... And, while not knowing the result of another candidate's tenure one thing is certain... if he is a liberal it is more than likely he/she will not provide leadership based on what drives the current crop of leaders in the Executive.
Is this, in part, your thesis?
Re: your most immediate post in this thread.
Quite the analysis you proffer. The lust for power to sate the need for love... to replace it, I suppose. On one hand the need to acquire the power to diminish the effects of those in power suffering from the Mooneration [the adoption of 'feel good' scenarios to avoid dealing with psychological trauma] of self despise-ment. And, on the other we have the burning uncontrollable desire to feed this psycho monster's voracious appetite. Interesting...
Both sides seek the power but, for different reasons. Both sides may indeed be supported and advised by folks with well intentioned and healthy minds or be of equally ill mind sets possessing great intellectual prowess such that casual or even indepth analysis may not detect the underlying motivation of their propoundments... Each may well be clothed in the the guise of sheep so it is their factual actions we are challenged to find and observe... A heavy task to undertake.... Which brings me to my question..
It appears there is only a polar reality... that is; there is no degree to measure to... it is or it is not healthy (for us and for the world) to have certain folks lead as president and as such when the undesirable behaviour is recognized the only choice is to vote these folks out of office ... And, while not knowing the result of another candidate's tenure one thing is certain... if he is a liberal it is more than likely he/she will not provide leadership based on what drives the current crop of leaders in the Executive.
Is this, in part, your thesis?
Kyoto would have never passed anyways. Did Bush 'break' it anyways? No, I don't think so. The 'nuclear treaty for his missle shield' was under a different country and it had an 'out' clause that was exercised. That treaty was not broken.
What are the other agreements made between the US and other countries that Bush has broken? You haven't really stated anything unique to the US yet.
Plus, putting your nations needs first at the expensie of alienating half the rest of the world is not a good thing.
Sometimes listening to others can help put your own needs first. If you go and do what you want, others will not necessarily take kindly to it.
If you follow the advice of others, they will look favourably and it may make your (countries) life easier.
This is not always true, but it can help sometimes.
And you should never take things to either extreme.
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