Kerry: I wouldn't have waited 7 minutes on 9/11

Riprorin

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Kerry On 9/11: Unable to Think for 42 Minutes

John Kerry attacked president George W. Bush at the Unity convention of minority journalists in Washington, D.C on Thursday for his behavior directly after the 9/11 attacks. In a direct reference to Michael Moore?s Bush hit piece "Fahrenheit 9/11" Kerry makes the claim that he would be more decisive and quick to react. Kerry told the reporters, "Had I been reading to children and had my top aide whispered in my ear that America is under attack, I would have told those kids very nicely and politely that the president of the United States has something that he needs to attend to...and I would have attended to it."

Interesting.

According to a CNN transcript John Kerry told Larry King he ?couldn?t think? and sat at a table with his colleagues until he was told what to do on that awful day.

Larry King to John Kerry on July 8, 2004

Where were you [on 9/11]?

John Kerry: I was in the Capitol. We'd just had a meeting -- we'd just come into a leadership meeting in Tom Daschle's office, looking out at the Capitol.

And as I came in, Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid were standing there, and we watched the second plane come in to the building.

And we shortly thereafter sat down at the table and then we just realized nobody could think, and then boom, right behind us, we saw the cloud of explosion at the Pentagon. And then word came from the White House, they were evacuating, and we were to evacuate, and so we immediately began the evacuation.


Here?s the 9/11 timeline pre CNN?

8:45 a.m. (all times are EDT): A hijacked passenger jet, American Airlines Flight 11 out of Boston, Massachusetts, crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center, tearing a gaping hole in the building and setting it afire.

9:03 a.m.: A second hijacked airliner, United Airlines Flight 175 from Boston, crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center and explodes. Both buildings are burning. (Kerry sees this horrible event live on TV)

9:17 a.m.: The Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all New York City area airports.

9:21 a.m.: The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York area closed.

9:30 a.m.: President Bush, speaking in Sarasota, Florida, says the country has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack."

9:40 a.m.: The FAA halts all flight operations at U.S. airports, the first time in U.S. history that air traffic nationwide has been halted.

9:43 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, sending up a huge plume of smoke. Evacuation begins immediately.

9:45 a.m.: The White House evacuates. (Kerry and his colleagues leave shortly thereafter.)

Hindsight is 20/20 but so are transcripts and timelines. John Kerry wants to complain about 7 minutes? He sat stunned after the attacks-- in his own words ?unable to think? for at least 42 minutes until he was ?told to evacuate.?

One might expect John Kerry should retract his petty criticism of the president from Thursday?s meeting.

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He's a senator, what was he supposed to do? He didn't have the power that Bush had that day, presumably he would have done something if he had.
 
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Not surprising. Most Democrats wouldn't have the guts to retaliate with a military assault anywhere. Our country is extremely fortunate that Al Gore wasn't in office.
 

Witling

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Yeah Rip. The difference is he isn't the guy in charge who's supposed to take action. I thought about it for several days. So what.
 

Harvey

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Rip -- I just wasted 7 minutes clicking this link and reading yet more of your garbage. There are a couple of small differences:

1. Bush-lite is the allegedly the Commander In Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America. Kerry isn't... YET. :cool:

2. Bush was sitting in room full of school kids, not in a governement office in Washington D.C. doing the nation's business, and he had already been informed of what had happened. Where Bushwhacko was is not the problem. Sitting where he was, instead of immediately moving out with his Secret Service entourage to find out WTF was up, once he was informed (and the pics verify he was informed), is.

3. At that same moment, the senators in that meeting had NOT been so informed of exactly what had happened. Like you, they knew much less than the President about the details of the events.

What would you have expected them to do? What were you doing at that moment? Did you grab your gun and run out into the streets to defend the nation, and, if not, what's your lame excuse? :shocked:

Better have a good one, or I'll tell Larry King on you. :p
Originally posted by: Riprorin
They (the democrats) want us to fail as long as President Bush is in charge...
It has nothing to do with "wanting." Bush is already a failure.:thumbsdown: :p :thumbsdown:
 

Witling

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GeneralGrievous (how appropriate). The problem with your observation is that we weren't subjected to a military attack. No national government ever attacked us. Nineteen guys did a criminal act. Straighten out your thinking if you can! I mean, right or left, at least get your facts straight.
 

Todd33

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Another dumb Rip thread.

I think all senetors should have jumped up, called NORAD can did something! Bush was on fcking TV reading a book to kids. Way to lead my man.
 

heartsurgeon

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actions speak louder than words...

Kerry didn't even think to evacute from the Senate building where he was until ordered to evacuate by the Bush White House....and this is after the Pentagon was hit....

by Kerry's own words ...."we just realized nobody could think"

explain to me how being President is suddenly going to make him "think" under duress, when he is incapable of thinking while he's a Senator.....

then once he's out of the building, he suddenly starts thinking again...

KERRY: I knew instantaneously with the first. I'm a pilot, and I looked at the weather, and it's what we call in pilot lingo CAVU, ceiling and visibility unlimited. And I knew that that plane did not fly into that building accidentally, as people were speculating. It just doesn't happen, could not, under those circumstances. So I knew it was deliberate, whether it was suicide, whether it was something -- I couldn't tell. When the second plane hit, it was obvious to the world.
And as we went out of the building, my immediately feeling was, we're at war. I mean, that was the sense, that we are under attack. People are attacking the United States of America and we needed to respond.

so once he leaves the building....he starts thinking....

oh, but i forgot, since Kerry isn't President yet, it wasn't his job to be "thinking"......
yep, that makes perfect sense...
 

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Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Not surprising. Most Democrats wouldn't have the guts to retaliate with a military assault anywhere. Our country is extremely fortunate that Al Gore wasn't in office.

You are so full of crap your eyes turned brown. I'm a democrat and served my country proudly '68 to '71. What have you done? You haven't got the guts to tell me to my face what you just said here. Our country is in poor shape because thre asshole you voted for is running the show now. But it's typical of you brain dead neocons to sling mud when you haven't got on freakin thing to stand on in defense of the bozo from Crawford, Texas.:disgust:
 

heartsurgeon

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served my country proudly '68 to '71
How do you feel about John Kerry's comments about U.S. soldiers routinely committing atrocities in Vietnam?

Vietnam was certainly not a popular war, and sentiment at the time was clearly that it was a mistake...
but the language Kerry used was an indictment of the enlisted soldier as much as it was about the war itself.

what do you think?
 

Fingolfin269

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This is a stupid argument on both sides. No one knows what was said to the President and the fact that Kerry, and probably every other Senator in the building, had no idea what to do just shows that NO ONE of the 'political persuasion' knew wtf to do.
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
served my country proudly '68 to '71
How do you feel about John Kerry's comments about U.S. soldiers routinely committing atrocities in Vietnam?

Vietnam was certainly not a popular war, and sentiment at the time was clearly that it was a mistake...
but the language Kerry used was an indictment of the enlisted soldier as much as it was about the war itself.

what do you think?

comments he made once he was a civilian. he never spoke out while in uniform, he wouldn't do such a thing.
there is a difference.
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
served my country proudly '68 to '71
How do you feel about John Kerry's comments about U.S. soldiers routinely committing atrocities in Vietnam?

Vietnam was certainly not a popular war, and sentiment at the time was clearly that it was a mistake...
but the language Kerry used was an indictment of the enlisted soldier as much as it was about the war itself.

what do you think?

The man spoke the truth. In 70, I flew back from the zone on a C135 CIA plane loaded with opium. I was told that was top secret then. I know better now. I knew our soldiers where cutting ears off of RNV's as trophys, and commanders endorsed it, hell they encouraged it. You think the soldiers raiding a village didn't pick some young cute thing for a little gang bang action ? It happened all the time. That is what Kerry spoke about then. Not all the hype BS that neocons blather about.
He was right to bring that to the attention of the whores in congress that where feeding off that war for thier own benifit. You need to check history Bubba. Remember Kent State? Do you think for a second the climate then was like it is now? Virt Nam was unpopular. We were told by Nixon he had a plan t oend the war honorably. We waited 4 years for that promise. It never happened. And the bastard was re-elected. I haven't trusted a politician since, and Bush damn sure vindicates that position now. You and the American public have been duped in this war against Iraq. This is shades of Viet Nam to me. And if it keeps up, another Kent State is going to happen somewhere, and a zeolous authority figure is going to fire live ammo at our citizens who are just exercising their God Given Right to free speech in this country.

BTW, My father ,my uncles and myself served in that war. Only one is a republican and he is NOT voting for Bush this election. Can you guess why?
 

heartsurgeon

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The man spoke the truth
Well, if you believe everything he said, then he admitted to committing these same atrocities that you speak of...

what do you think of that?

he never spoke out while in uniform
Well, actually, he literally did "speak while in uniform" in front of the Senate and gave testimony.
 

Todd33

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HS you are a #$%and Hannity regurgitator. I guess anything to slander Kerry and pump up Buh huh? Who needs truth?
 

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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
served my country proudly '68 to '71
How do you feel about John Kerry's comments about U.S. soldiers routinely committing atrocities in Vietnam?

Vietnam was certainly not a popular war, and sentiment at the time was clearly that it was a mistake...
but the language Kerry used was an indictment of the enlisted soldier as much as it was about the war itself.

what do you think?

The man spoke the truth. In 70, I flew back from the zone on a C135 CIA plane loaded with opium. I was told that was top secret then. I know better now. I knew our soldiers where cutting ears off of RNV's as trophys, and commanders endorsed it, hell they encouraged it. You think the soldiers raiding a village didn't pick some young cute thing for a little gang bang action ? It happened all the time. That is what Kerry spoke about then. Not all the hype BS that neocons blather about.
He was right to bring that to the attention of the whores in congress that where feeding off that war for thier own benifit. You need to check history Bubba. Remember Kent State? Do you think for a second the climate then was like it is now? Virt Nam was unpopular. We were told by Nixon he had a plan t oend the war honorably. We waited 4 years for that promise. It never happened. And the bastard was re-elected. I haven't trusted a politician since, and Bush damn sure vindicates that position now. You and the American public have been duped in this war against Iraq. This is shades of Viet Nam to me. And if it keeps up, another Kent State is going to happen somewhere, and a zeolous authority figure is going to fire live ammo at our citizens who are just exercising their God Given Right to free speech in this country.

BTW, My father ,my uncles and myself served in that war. Only one is a republican and he is NOT voting for Bush this election. Can you guess why?

:beer:


HS: "Next! We'll call you."
 

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It is my opinion that Bush should have immediatly gone to AF1 where he he had access to comm systems that could have put in him contact with virtually any source with info on the attack and any military recources that might need be empolyed. That's how the CIC commands. No such resources were available to Senetors, nor did they have the authority to direct the military. A HUGE difference in my estimation.
 

Red Dawn

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If it would have been Rip he would have sat around for 2 hours searching obscure websites look for ways to blame it in Democrats.:laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
It is my opinion that Bush should have immediatly gone to AF1 where he he had access to comm systems that could have put in him contact with virtually any source with info on the attack and any military recources that might need be empolyed. That's how the CIC commands. No such resources were available to Senetors, nor did they have the authority to direct the military. A HUGE difference in my estimation.

After the fact, we can all look at this situation like a Monday-morning armchair quarterback. However, I think one has to consider an initial "shock" factor in hearing such news. Myself, I know how I'd feel if I heard such news and was the President. In fact, I felt horrible enough when the incident happened and I was 15 minutes away from the Pentagon.
 

Red Dawn

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I can honestly say that I wouldn't have sat in that classroom for 7 minutes after I heard the news. The first thing I would do is go somewhere that had a live broadcast of the situation! I'm sure that someone on the Presidents team had the live broadcast on. That's where Bush should have been immediately after hearing the news!
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can honestly say that I wouldn't have sat in that classroom for 7 minutes after I heard the news. The first thing I would do is go somewhere that had a live broadcast of the situation! I'm sure that someone on the Presidents team had the live broadcast on. That's where Bush should have been immediately after hearing the news!

The facts are that neither you, Kerry nor anyone else knows what they would've done in that situation. You might have sh!t your pants and ran screaming out of that school into a swamp, never to be seen again. I'm surprised Kerry is even engaged in this type of Monday morning quaterbacking, he has much bigger fish to fry. The entire topic is ridiculous.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: UltraQuiet
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I can honestly say that I wouldn't have sat in that classroom for 7 minutes after I heard the news. The first thing I would do is go somewhere that had a live broadcast of the situation! I'm sure that someone on the Presidents team had the live broadcast on. That's where Bush should have been immediately after hearing the news!

The facts are that neither you, Kerry nor anyone else knows what they would've done in that situation. You might have sh!t your pants and ran screaming out of that school into a swamp, never to be seen again. I'm surprised Kerry is even engaged in this type of Monday morning quaterbacking, he has much bigger fish to fry. The entire topic is ridiculous.
BS, I know how I am and I would have got up and left immediately and found a live televised feed of the event so I could find out what the fsck was happening.
 

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I'm surprised Kerry is even engaged in this type of Monday morning quaterbacking, he has much bigger fish to fry.

Probably because he was asked on Larry King Live?

I agree it's all pretty pointless now. I am intigued by the ramifications of the President's actions that morning but feel it will be many years before we know the truth.