Palehorse, I'll be blunt: you are a liar. You have no respect for the truth at times. You have no shame about that fact.
You are a liar about what Kerry said, and each time you repeat the lie, it's a new wrong.
Harsh words? For harsh wrong behavior.
You are a liar about what Kerry said, and each time you repeat the lie, it's a new wrong.
Harsh words? For harsh wrong behavior.
feralkid
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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I pray that Kerry keeps having public appearances and speeches.
I particularly enjoyed how Hilary waited a day, and then piled on...
I believe he meant what he said, exactly as he said it.[/
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What the hell are you doing posting in this forum?
Are going to "Leave for Good" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?
:laugh::roll::disgust::Q
:thumbsdown:
Yes loyal Bush fans ... Kerry really planned and intended to bash our troops ... he and his aides thought it was the best way get the country behind the democrats. Next on his agenda to win votes for the silly liberals, he plans to attack the elderly with a diaper joke.
What I find apauling is the right hopping on this and treating it as Kerry is really against the troops. They know it's untrue, but they will preech it as gospel truth. The fact is both sides do it. It's dispicable when they grossly misrepresent the facts.
It's like people saying that Dick Cheany hates his daughter because he's against gay couples formalizing thier relationships. It's simply untrue.
What I find apauling is the right hopping on this and treating it as Kerry is really against the troops. They know it's untrue, but they will preech it as gospel truth. The fact is both sides do it. It's dispicable when they grossly misrepresent the facts.
It's like people saying that Dick Cheany hates his daughter because he's against gay couples formalizing thier relationships. It's simply untrue.
palehorse
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lol.. what have I "lied" about? Kerry said what he said and half of his own party agrees with me that it was insulting and inappropriate. You do realize that his entire "explanation" fell short of honesty the moment when half of his own party condemned his statement, and told him to apologize. High-profile members of his own party called his statement "insulting" and "inappropriate"....so how is that different than what I've been saying the entire time?
So I have nothing to be ashamed of here... other than finally agreeing with Hillary Clinton on something. yuck.
Btw, what is that big fish-hook-looking-thing hanging out of yoru cheek? and is that a worm dangling out of your mouth?
I wouldn't go so far as to call it courageous. However it's really swell of Kerry to take responsibility for his statement. And it only took him 48 hours this time. What a guy.
Good for Cheney. Kerry earned it.
I gotta admit it was fascinating to watch Kerry's 2008 presidential aspirations evaporate in a mere 48 hours. (In the meantime Wesley Clark has been making some killa ads in support of Democratic candidates.)
John Kerry: Al Gore without charisma, eloquence, humility, the common touch, common sense, and a clue about managing the news cycle.
Glad this hasn't worked on any Americans that I know of that had woken up out of the Republican brainwashing.
This managed to upset brainwashed Republicans which is a good sign.
OrByte
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Kerry's initial response after this fiasco started was spot on and heart felt. The man must have had flashbacks to two years ago when people from swiftboats were harpooning him left and right and he kept his damn mouth shut.
I think his lashing out against the pundit uproar was desparately needed for his sake, and so I don't condemn him for waiting an extra day to apologize for other people's misinterpretations of his statement.
afterwards the party stepped in and controlled the situation as they saw fit, no surprise there.
I think now the GOP is wishing it was Hilary or Obama that made the statement, not some aloof has-been that was already beaten in 2004.
just how much steam does this story have? do you think it will make it to the weekend? Wouldn't it be better for the GOP to focus on multilateral talks with NK or some "good" news about the economy?
I think his lashing out against the pundit uproar was desparately needed for his sake, and so I don't condemn him for waiting an extra day to apologize for other people's misinterpretations of his statement.
afterwards the party stepped in and controlled the situation as they saw fit, no surprise there.
I think now the GOP is wishing it was Hilary or Obama that made the statement, not some aloof has-been that was already beaten in 2004.
just how much steam does this story have? do you think it will make it to the weekend? Wouldn't it be better for the GOP to focus on multilateral talks with NK or some "good" news about the economy?
ProfJohn
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I think you are prematurely expecting an end to this 'scandal' I think it will hang around another day or two, and even more likely be used in stump speeches by several candidates.
You seem to be under the impression "Kerry apologized, no everyone will move on" and you should know politics does not work like that.
There are already press releases floating around out there asking Democrat candidates if they are going to return the money they got from Kerry etc etc. I am sure many candidates will be trying to tie Kerry and this line to their Democratic opponent. Just like Democrats try to tie Bush and Iraq to every Republican out there.
The Rush Limbaugh scandal lasted a week. Allen and macaca last two weeks and Foley lasted nearly as long. It will be interesting to see how long this one goes on. And don?t forget, Allen apologized with in a day or two of his comment and the scandal kept going. Now that we have a Democratic scandal let?s see how fast the MSM forgets about it.
Ps. The George Allen macaca statement was an attempted joke as well. Watch the video, it seems apparent to me that he was trying to be funny and witty with his ?macaca, or whatever his name is? line.
How is that a defense? Being a "serious racist" doesn't really seem that much worse than thinking it's funny to make racial jokes aimed at some random person.
As far as this "scandal", I think it would hurt the Dems more if Kerry wasn't old news by this point. I suspect very few folks are voting Democrat because of Kerry, so at best it could scare off Republicans who weren't going to vote for the Democrats anyways. And attacks that attempt to paint all Democrats as related work far less well on Dems than on Republicans. The Republicans have spent years building up this impression that they are all a bunch of lapdogs for President Bush. I'm not sure that's true, but the Dems have no real image like that that they need to overcome...and since Kerry isn't running this year, I'm not sure how much this will hurt the Dems.
Now people are going to use Kerry, a political has-been who can only get elected in Massachusetts, is not even running, and who has been pretty much abandoned by his party, in stump speeches? Boy howdy, anyone who does that will probably lose anyway if they're that desperate.
Drudge will keep up the 'outrage' as long as he can, but the fact is this is not much of a story, and the media will have to move on after they've gotten all they can about it. So wait, what happened to the liberal media? You'd think they'd BACK a liberal, wouldn't you? Just more proof that it's not liberal, it's sensationalist.
Drudge will keep up the 'outrage' as long as he can, but the fact is this is not much of a story, and the media will have to move on after they've gotten all they can about it. So wait, what happened to the liberal media? You'd think they'd BACK a liberal, wouldn't you? Just more proof that it's not liberal, it's sensationalist.
senseamp
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No doubt GOP will try to do some of these things, but now that he has apologized like they've been demanding, they will look petty and cynical to keep beating this dead horse. But since they got nothing else, maybe they'll do that, but it won't work.
Allen is THE candidate. Kerry is not running for anything. He can just go home and watch TV. If GOP candidates want to spend the remaining days bashing Kerry while Democrats bash them, they are certainly welcome to.
Yeah, and if Kerry was in a competitive race, he would be finished, just like Allen. But he isn't. So too bad for you.
Man if u actually see where Kerry said that he was making fun of bush's intelligence it didn't have anything to do with the troops, but it sure got spun fast. I think his humor is just so different from other people's that no one got what he was trying to say lol.
Whatever, I can't stand Kerry, so I could care less if it costs him public opinion or whatever, but I'd expect better from NSF4 no offense. And Finally? Dude I hate to break it to you but it was like...not .. very .. long .. ago.
And Snow saying it's not hard to apologize? Did you ever see him apologize for anything when he worked for private media? Frankly, have we ever seen Bush apologize for anything he's done? LoL.
However this is comedy gold: "You cannot get into the military today if you do badly in school."
The friends I have in the marines and army make no qualms that they are there precisely because they couldn't make it in school, they joke about it all the time, no one cares. Some of them like it some of them hate it (one is crawling around in the jungle somewhere for training right now, regrets ever joining up, says people would kill themselves over less than what he goes through every day). None of them give a crap if some politician somewhere says something that can be construed as an insult (and trying to turn what Kerry actually said, into an insult on the troops, is a huge stretch). The people I know in the service don't care for politics either way, they don't even care either way about the Iraq war! They certainly don't give a crap about something some politician with a freaky looking face said in front of some students.
People need to stop being so friggin sensitive.
Whatever, I can't stand Kerry, so I could care less if it costs him public opinion or whatever, but I'd expect better from NSF4 no offense. And Finally? Dude I hate to break it to you but it was like...not .. very .. long .. ago.
And Snow saying it's not hard to apologize? Did you ever see him apologize for anything when he worked for private media? Frankly, have we ever seen Bush apologize for anything he's done? LoL.
However this is comedy gold: "You cannot get into the military today if you do badly in school."
The friends I have in the marines and army make no qualms that they are there precisely because they couldn't make it in school, they joke about it all the time, no one cares. Some of them like it some of them hate it (one is crawling around in the jungle somewhere for training right now, regrets ever joining up, says people would kill themselves over less than what he goes through every day). None of them give a crap if some politician somewhere says something that can be construed as an insult (and trying to turn what Kerry actually said, into an insult on the troops, is a huge stretch). The people I know in the service don't care for politics either way, they don't even care either way about the Iraq war! They certainly don't give a crap about something some politician with a freaky looking face said in front of some students.
People need to stop being so friggin sensitive.
ProfJohn
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After hearing all you people complain about how all I do is defend Bush and follow the party line it is fun watching you all do the same thing for Kerry now.
Since this story broke it is has been a non-stop defend Kerry-a-thon by some of you. First you said he must have misspoke, then you repeated the Kerry line that it was as bad joke, then you started with the ?he apologized? lines.
After doing nothing by attacking me and a few others for daring to defend Bush you are now falling over each other to defend Kerry. Sort of shows that all your attacks on me and the other Bush defenders were as hollow as we expected. It is all about politics and nothing else. Now that it is your guy who looks bad you are doing exactly what you claimed you hate me for doing.
Since this story broke it is has been a non-stop defend Kerry-a-thon by some of you. First you said he must have misspoke, then you repeated the Kerry line that it was as bad joke, then you started with the ?he apologized? lines.
After doing nothing by attacking me and a few others for daring to defend Bush you are now falling over each other to defend Kerry. Sort of shows that all your attacks on me and the other Bush defenders were as hollow as we expected. It is all about politics and nothing else. Now that it is your guy who looks bad you are doing exactly what you claimed you hate me for doing.
OrByte
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it is partisan politics, you are up to your ears in it.
why would you expect anything different?
Actually there have been a number of posts in the Kerry thread(s) that tried (and failed) to push the conversation in a meaningful direction. But for some reason people just want to try and bash on a washed up Senator.
have your fun, while the REAL GOP message and election plan has been lost. Tie your hopes to bringing Kerry down, although what that will accomplish nationally is anybody's guess. I tend to think that since he wasn't running for ANYTHING it won't amount to much.
and just to point something out here...he did misspeak and it was a BAD joke, and he DID apologize...what the hell else are we supposed to say about it?
the truth of his joke remains, which is that Bush was a poor student (i.e., Bush is stupid) and that there is a relationship between Bush's stupidity and the fact the USA is stuck in Iraq
Corn
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Let me see if I understand this correctly. Basically the "joke" was that if you are stupid and don't study, you can become President?
I'm cracking up all right, at how not funny that joke really is......because I'm sure that was never the joke to begin with. Just another pathetic attempt by Kerry to cover his disdain for the military.
Whatever.............
I'm cracking up all right, at how not funny that joke really is......because I'm sure that was never the joke to begin with. Just another pathetic attempt by Kerry to cover his disdain for the military.
Whatever.............
Nope the joke was that if you fail to learn your lessons you may end up ignoring the lessons your history degree(Bush) should have taught you and get stuck in quagmire(Iraq).
Zebo
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I agree with Kerry but in a different way. What passes for military intelligence and planning these days is a joke and gets our boys killed unessesarly.. I would'nt sign up unless we go all out.. no more drive-partols to get IED'd, no more foot patrols to get sniped - but unleash dogs of war like Sherman/Macarthur and rely on superior weaponry and collective punsihment like old days. Todays military is for the stupid or those with death wish. Call me when you're serious and drop the PC and Just War 'Theory.'
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