Kenyon Martin 3-23, LOLs

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: gwlam12
3-23? Tony parker was 1-12 the other day. some people just have bad days, sheesh.

You'll notice that Parker knew when to STOP shooting at 12 shots. Marting kept pouring it on for a double the shots taken. Who hurt their team worst? Someone who ruined 20 of their teams posessions or someone who ruined 11. Do the math.

I dont buy the Flu as an excuse. He had the flu on Thursday too. The flu only last a few days and with the med and flushing of his system he should have been alright.

I do remember MJ scoring 38 points in the Finals and winning the game against Utah in one of the most amazing performance finals ever. But then again, MJ never needed an excuse 🙂 Flu or not.

First off, Martin is part of a TEAM. If he's not scoring, it doesn't mean that he should stop trying, it means the other TEAM members should pick up the slack for him. For example, San Antonio shot a combined 1-28 in the first half of game five, what would have happened if they all just said: "Maybe we should all just stop shooting, b/c it's not our day?"

Flu isn't an excuse, it's REALITY. I just had the flu for the past week, it can last for a couple days up to TEN (look on the back of your medication box) depending on the individual. If u exert yourself physically (i.e. Martin playing on Friday), it will prolong the recovery period. You don't have to be a doctor to figure that one out.

Comparing MJ to Kenyon Martin is ridiculous. You're comparing a current superstar to a LEGEND. Possibly the greatest to ever play the game... Maybe in your dreams players in the postseason will always up their game with the flu, but guess what: it's NOT REALITY!! lol

I wasn't comparing MJ to KM, GG! I was saying using it as an EXCUSE - which is what you are doing by saying he "has the flu" and didn't play well is, just that, an excuse. It's his job (for which he gets paid millions) to get out there and play.

Of course it's a team game, DUH. But if you're taking 21 shots and putting up bricks, you SHOULD let your teammates start shooting and be taken out of the game. Parker was removed for Speedy and you know the rest. It's poor coaching and player decision to keep shooting when you can't hit jack. It's a difference when a whole team is playing poorly. Youre compairing apples and oranges. We're talking about 1 specific player who has the flu and couldnt hit a damn thing. GG NJ, you just lost the finals. Scott should have made the decision to sit him and play others in his spot.

Sometimes it's just not your night and you do need to let your teammates step up.

So when I'm late to work because a tractor trailer slams through the center divider and causes a 20 car pileup in front of me it would be an "EXCUSE" for me being late to work, right? Sure, in my boss's opinion, it may be. REALITY is, there was nothing I could have done about it, it was just bad luck, sh!t happens. It wasn't my fault, and not KMart's fault that he had the flu either... Of course it's his job to go out and play, but he wasn't 100%, it was painfully obvious... Yet, you talk in a hypocritic manner: He should "get out there and play" because he makes "millions", yet you're saying that Scott should have "made the decision to sit him and play others in his spot". Which is it? Remember, hindsight is 20/20. As a coach, you can either go with your superstar and someone who has gotten you to the Finals and hope his performance improves as the game continues, or bench him. By benching him you risk your job, resentment from your superstar, resentment from the TEAM and the media, and have to ask yourself "What if?" if the superstar's (Kmart's) replacement off the bench fails miserably. Let's put it in Layman's terms for you: If you were in the Civil War and had a Gatlin Gun which has just fired 100 rounds but didn't hit anything, would you say "Ah FVCK it, I may kill 90% less enemies than the Gatlin, but I'm bound to hit at least one enemy with this here PISTOL!" The point is, Kenyon is a gamebreaker. If he exploded and found the basket, he could have done much more damage at any given time than anyone on the bench. His play during the regular season accentuates this point. IF, OTOH, he went and said to Scott "I can't play, I'm sick as a dog, take me out", and Scott kept him in, then that's poor coaching... but that was not the case.

One last Q: If Tim Duncan was sick, and you were Gregg Popovich, and it was a do or die Finals Game, and TD was shooting poorly at halftime, would you sit him out? After all, it is your highest scorer and only ONE PLAYER! Didn't think so 😉

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Excuses excuses. Martin couldn't be Duncan's caddy. It says somethng that Duncan could be a great player at two positions, whereas Martin would stink as a center. Duncan played C in college and dominated, there is no reason to suspect he couldn't in the pros.

BTW, the NETS HAD NO CHANCE! Now, prove me wrong. 😀 :beer:

i repeat, duncan is a center playing pf. i think duncan would be a good center in the league... all star too. but would he be league mvp playing the center position? no. good for the spurs that they have the luxury of playing him at pf. but they know it as well as anyone else that duncan would not be nearly as effective if he were forced to play center. why else do u think they r trying so eagerly to find a replacement for robinson? u don't hear them saying anything about "let's get a pf and move duncan over the c".

also, a lot of players "dominated" in college and become a scrub in the nba. so just becuz duncan was a proven center in college doesn't mean he will be a dominating center in the nba. but this is a moot case, since it has already been established that duncan is a pretty good player in the nba.

of course it is easy to proclaim something after the fact. good job tough guy.

Actually, Wyvrn made a bet with me at 25 to 0 odds that SA would win, so i give him credit for that.

BUT, most of these people that were predicting sweeps untill NJ won game 2, then in 5 till nj won game 4 are suck because they keep excusing that with OH SA played badly.

BS, NJ won 2 games, thats more than most of you were predicting and as many as Dallas or LA did vs the Spurs, so suck it up, it was a pretty competitive series, not like when the lakers swept almost everyone.

Actually most people predicted it to go 5 or 6 (myself included) in other threads. We just like mocking you for thinking NJ had any real chance. 🙂

1. I'm not a Spurs fan, but I definately wanted Mr Robinson to go out a champ.
2. Lighten up, we are just messing around and ATOT is classless in nature, as are most of yours or anyone else post.
3. It's a game. Get over It.

I'm not sure how words on this here interweb thing reflect on Mr. Robinson thats pretty pathetic. He's his own man and we have nothing to do with him. get a grip 😀

the same way that athletes are supposed "role" models.

btw, I never said that NJ had a GOOD chance, if I recall correctly i gave Wyvrn 25 to 1 odds. No one would consider that a "real" chance, However, since i live in NJ i did support them and i did RAIL against people that claimed that NJ had ZERO chance.

NJ held their own, every time NJ won it was claimed that SA played BAD, but when NJ lost it was only because SA played well.

actually game 6 was lost by NJ because KMart played badly AND because Byron Scott is a bad coach. There was NO way that Kittles should have sat the bench most of the 4th quarter. 🙁

 

[Storm]

I think the futures of both teams are bright. 😉

Even more so if the Nets can keep Kidd. Martin and Jefferson are decent players so far. If their game continues to get better and not plateau. Their 1st rounder last year looks alright Kristic is his last name I think. Apparently he whooped on Dark Milic in one game, but thats just one game. Hopefully he can bring that kind of game to the NBA. Maybe he will maybe he'll suck 😉.
Rodgers was a semi-bust and Chris Childs was a total bust. The Nets definitely need a better outside shooter, I think they'll keep Kittles and not resign him.

As for the Spurs they have Duncan, two-time league MVP nuff said. 😉 I honestly think Parker will be a good if not all-star calibur pg he's only 21 and the learning curve for a pg is steep in the NBA. Ginobili is most definitely going to get better, he started the season with a gimpy ankle. Rose is a decent bench player. Steve Smith, Ferry, Willis, probably arent going to be resigned. Kerr and Robinson are retiring. As for Stephen Jackson, I think he's still a streaky shooter even though he was hot for the most part in the playoffs. Also I dont think he likes Popovich. The Spurs definitely need to sign a big man in the offseason. Either Brand or O'neal would fit their bill. Even Brad Miller would help.

Can't wait for next season 😀.

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I dont think he likes not like's

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: gwlam12
3-23? Tony parker was 1-12 the other day. some people just have bad days, sheesh.

You'll notice that Parker knew when to STOP shooting at 12 shots. Marting kept pouring it on for a double the shots taken. Who hurt their team worst? Someone who ruined 20 of their teams posessions or someone who ruined 11. Do the math.

I dont buy the Flu as an excuse. He had the flu on Thursday too. The flu only last a few days and with the med and flushing of his system he should have been alright.

I do remember MJ scoring 38 points in the Finals and winning the game against Utah in one of the most amazing performance finals ever. But then again, MJ never needed an excuse 🙂 Flu or not.

First off, Martin is part of a TEAM. If he's not scoring, it doesn't mean that he should stop trying, it means the other TEAM members should pick up the slack for him. For example, San Antonio shot a combined 1-28 in the first half of game five, what would have happened if they all just said: "Maybe we should all just stop shooting, b/c it's not our day?"

Flu isn't an excuse, it's REALITY. I just had the flu for the past week, it can last for a couple days up to TEN (look on the back of your medication box) depending on the individual. If u exert yourself physically (i.e. Martin playing on Friday), it will prolong the recovery period. You don't have to be a doctor to figure that one out.

Comparing MJ to Kenyon Martin is ridiculous. You're comparing a current superstar to a LEGEND. Possibly the greatest to ever play the game... Maybe in your dreams players in the postseason will always up their game with the flu, but guess what: it's NOT REALITY!! lol

I wasn't comparing MJ to KM, GG! I was saying using it as an EXCUSE - which is what you are doing by saying he "has the flu" and didn't play well is, just that, an excuse. It's his job (for which he gets paid millions) to get out there and play.

Of course it's a team game, DUH. But if you're taking 21 shots and putting up bricks, you SHOULD let your teammates start shooting and be taken out of the game. Parker was removed for Speedy and you know the rest. It's poor coaching and player decision to keep shooting when you can't hit jack. It's a difference when a whole team is playing poorly. Youre compairing apples and oranges. We're talking about 1 specific player who has the flu and couldnt hit a damn thing. GG NJ, you just lost the finals. Scott should have made the decision to sit him and play others in his spot.

Sometimes it's just not your night and you do need to let your teammates step up.

So when I'm late to work because a tractor trailer slams through the center divider and causes a 20 car pileup in front of me it would be an "EXCUSE" for me being late to work, right? Sure, in my boss's opinion, it may be. REALITY is, there was nothing I could have done about it, it was just bad luck, sh!t happens. It wasn't my fault, and not KMart's fault that he had the flu either... Of course it's his job to go out and play, but he wasn't 100%, it was painfully obvious... Yet, you talk in a hypocritic manner: He should "get out there and play" because he makes "millions", yet you're saying that Scott should have "made the decision to sit him and play others in his spot". Which is it? Remember, hindsight is 20/20. As a coach, you can either go with your superstar and someone who has gotten you to the Finals and hope his performance improves as the game continues, or bench him. By benching him you risk your job, resentment from your superstar, resentment from the TEAM and the media, and have to ask yourself "What if?" if the superstar's (Kmart's) replacement off the bench fails miserably. Let's put it in Layman's terms for you: If you were in the Civil War and had a Gatlin Gun which has just fired 100 rounds but didn't hit anything, would you say "Ah FVCK it, I may kill 90% less enemies than the Gatlin, but I'm bound to hit at least one enemy with this here PISTOL!" The point is, Kenyon is a gamebreaker. If he exploded and found the basket, he could have done much more damage at any given time than anyone on the bench. His play during the regular season accentuates this point. IF, OTOH, he went and said to Scott "I can't play, I'm sick as a dog, take me out", and Scott kept him in, then that's poor coaching... but that was not the case.

One last Q: If Tim Duncan was sick, and you were Gregg Popovich, and it was a do or die Finals Game, and TD was shooting poorly at halftime, would you sit him out? After all, it is your highest scorer and only ONE PLAYER! Didn't think so 😉

Uh actually yes it's your fault for not getting to work on time. Reality is you are responsible for your job, regardless of whats around you going on. It's a fact of life. Plus honestly he didnt look that sick the 6th game, i'm pretty sure it was out of his system by then. Everyone seems to forget they can flush it out of your system pretty quick and they have a staff of doctors working on him. They also sat him more and gave him breathers.

<Yet, you talk in a hypocritic manner: He should "get out there and play" because he makes "millions", yet you're saying that Scott should have "made the decision to sit him and play others in his spot". Which is it?>

Ok this is just rediculous. Apparently you can't tell the difference between a Player's job and a managers job. The players job is to go out there and PLAY. What the Coach should do is tell KMart to quit freaking shooting and pass the ball. His job is to setup plays and utilize K Mart in different manners based on his physical ability at the time. As a coach it's your job to tell the guy to quit shooting and try to give it to the shooters. IT's still Martins job to get out there and give 100%

Let me put this in laymans terms for you...... Oh wise(ass) one.

NJ lost. Kmart sucked. NJ never really had a chance. Game over. Happy?

OK and for the final nail in the coffin....

""I was open," Martin said of his futile effort to find the bottom of the basket. "Shots I make every day -- in practice, in games, I just couldn't knock them down.""

MArtin was just not hitting shots. He wasn't sick anymore. He just couldnt hit jack.


Overall, Martin failed to grab an offensive rebound in the series-ending defeat and was unable to become a factor in a game the Nets desperately needed him to show up.

When it was over Martin, with a white towel draped over his head, said "I felt like I let my team down."


You CANNOT compaire a "gattling" gun to a pistol. The problem is the Nets had guys who could and would score if he just quit shooting. Kerry Kittles had 16 points and 3 steals. Why couldn't he let the other Gattling guns shoot?

He admits himself that he left his team down.

So the result? They were up by 10 points twice and ended up losing by 11. Thats a 21 point turn around. Team failure.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Excuses excuses. Martin couldn't be Duncan's caddy. It says somethng that Duncan could be a great player at two positions, whereas Martin would stink as a center. Duncan played C in college and dominated, there is no reason to suspect he couldn't in the pros.

BTW, the NETS HAD NO CHANCE! Now, prove me wrong. 😀 :beer:

i repeat, duncan is a center playing pf. i think duncan would be a good center in the league... all star too. but would he be league mvp playing the center position? no. good for the spurs that they have the luxury of playing him at pf. but they know it as well as anyone else that duncan would not be nearly as effective if he were forced to play center. why else do u think they r trying so eagerly to find a replacement for robinson? u don't hear them saying anything about "let's get a pf and move duncan over the c".

also, a lot of players "dominated" in college and become a scrub in the nba. so just becuz duncan was a proven center in college doesn't mean he will be a dominating center in the nba. but this is a moot case, since it has already been established that duncan is a pretty good player in the nba.

of course it is easy to proclaim something after the fact. good job tough guy.

Actually, Wyvrn made a bet with me at 25 to 0 odds that SA would win, so i give him credit for that.

BUT, most of these people that were predicting sweeps untill NJ won game 2, then in 5 till nj won game 4 are suck because they keep excusing that with OH SA played badly.

BS, NJ won 2 games, thats more than most of you were predicting and as many as Dallas or LA did vs the Spurs, so suck it up, it was a pretty competitive series, not like when the lakers swept almost everyone.

Actually most people predicted it to go 5 or 6 (myself included) in other threads. We just like mocking you for thinking NJ had any real chance. 🙂

1. I'm not a Spurs fan, but I definately wanted Mr Robinson to go out a champ.
2. Lighten up, we are just messing around and ATOT is classless in nature, as are most of yours or anyone else post.
3. It's a game. Get over It.

I'm not sure how words on this here interweb thing reflect on Mr. Robinson thats pretty pathetic. He's his own man and we have nothing to do with him. get a grip 😀

the same way that athletes are supposed "role" models.

btw, I never said that NJ had a GOOD chance, if I recall correctly i gave Wyvrn 25 to 1 odds. No one would consider that a "real" chance, However, since i live in NJ i did support them and i did RAIL against people that claimed that NJ had ZERO chance.

NJ held their own, every time NJ won it was claimed that SA played BAD, but when NJ lost it was only because SA played well.

actually game 6 was lost by NJ because KMart played badly AND because Byron Scott is a bad coach. There was NO way that Kittles should have sat the bench most of the 4th quarter. 🙁

Role Models? No they shouldn't be. It's a game. These guys get paid millions of dollars to play a game. What sort of example are they setting? Nothing. Just glamorized sports figures.

Thank you for pointing out that Kittles should have had more shots. Thats what i put in my post above. NJ had the players that could play, but as I stated, Byron should have told KMart to quit shooting and let the other guys pick up the slack. HE should give 100% in the low post as much as he could, but if you dont feel it, dont force it. Thats the only point I was trying to make.

 

[Lifer]

Bwahahhahaha!
missed most of the game and just caught some highlights on ESPN.
Jefferson/Kmart got stuffed like 20 times by Duncan/Robinson.
all the rest were bricks and offensive fouls.

 

[LeeTJ]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Role Models? No they shouldn't be. It's a game. These guys get paid millions of dollars to play a game. What sort of example are they setting? Nothing. Just glamorized sports figures.

Thank you for pointing out that Kittles should have had more shots. Thats what i put in my post above. NJ had the players that could play, but as I stated, Byron should have told KMart to quit shooting and let the other guys pick up the slack. HE should give 100% in the low post as much as he could, but if you dont feel it, dont force it. Thats the only point I was trying to make.

Yes, Coaching had more to do with it than KMart's flu.

Scott dropped the ball big time. he used TOO many timeouts early and then they just didn't have any to use when they needed them. he had bad substitutions.

 

[webnewland]

Originally posted by: spanky
kenyon is good, but not all-nba. duncan is a center playing the pf spot. he's good, but his stats r inflated. put him against centers 82 games a year and he won't be mvp. but hey, the spurs have the luxury of playing him at pf... so good for them.

q]

I didn't read the rest of the thread, but I would like to comment on this. Personally I think playing at the PF spot does not inflate your stats, but the contrerary. There is a lot more PF like KG, Webber, rasheed, Jermaine, Brand, Jamison, Gasol, Dirk that's harder to play than the typical Center, Other than shaq and Ben Wallace (Pretty much another PF) , the class tails off with Guys like Yao, Ratliff, Brad Miller, Z, Vlade, Lafrentz. So playing center would give Duncan much more favorable matchups more frequently and subsequently even better stats.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Role Models? No they shouldn't be. It's a game. These guys get paid millions of dollars to play a game. What sort of example are they setting? Nothing. Just glamorized sports figures.

Thank you for pointing out that Kittles should have had more shots. Thats what i put in my post above. NJ had the players that could play, but as I stated, Byron should have told KMart to quit shooting and let the other guys pick up the slack. HE should give 100% in the low post as much as he could, but if you dont feel it, dont force it. Thats the only point I was trying to make.

Yes, Coaching had more to do with it than KMart's flu.

Scott dropped the ball big time. he used TOO many timeouts early and then they just didn't have any to use when they needed them. he had bad substitutions.

I dont like him as a coach unfortunately. Honestly NJ should go after someone like Rick Carlisle (sp?) from Detroit. What IDIOT fired him after the 2 year run he's had as Head Coach of a franchise that has sucked in recent years. He made them good and I think he could bring a good Defensive presents to the Nets running offense.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Uh actually yes it's your fault for not getting to work on time. Reality is you are responsible for your job, regardless of whats around you going on. It's a fact of life. Plus honestly he didnt look that sick the 6th game, i'm pretty sure it was out of his system by then. Everyone seems to forget they can flush it out of your system pretty quick and they have a staff of doctors working on him. They also sat him more and gave him breathers.
Reality is that my boss would not think it's an excuse for something well out of the ordinary to cause a delay to work. Having the flu IMO is not an excuse!! How would u know if the flu was out of his system? How often does a superstar shoot 3-23 in a game? I think it's quite obvious.

<Yet, you talk in a hypocritic manner: He should "get out there and play" because he makes "millions", yet you're saying that Scott should have "made the decision to sit him and play others in his spot". Which is it?>

Ok this is just rediculous. Apparently you can't tell the difference between a Player's job and a managers job. The players job is to go out there and PLAY. What the Coach should do is tell KMart to quit freaking shooting and pass the ball. His job is to setup plays and utilize K Mart in different manners based on his physical ability at the time. As a coach it's your job to tell the guy to quit shooting and try to give it to the shooters.
Ah, the real truth comes out. It was Byron Scott's fault for not instructing KMart to pass the ball more. Why didn't you say so? Then we wouldn't have gotten into this debate and saved some time.
IT's still Martins job to get out there and give 100%
So you're implying that KMart didn't give 100%? How would you know that??

Let me put this in laymans terms for you...... Oh wise(ass) one.

NJ lost. Kmart sucked. NJ never really had a chance. Game over. Happy?
I couldn't be happier. I actually dislike NJ with a passion, and am glad to be out of the state!! I just don't like it when someone implies that a game was lost by one person, who u think would be KMart. Yes, he played a huge role in the loss, but it seems that now you're changing your defense to say that Byron Scott should have told him to pass more!? See the inconsistency? That's why b.ball is a team sport, the coach and all the players win it or lose it, to single out one person is narrow minded IMO.

OK and for the final nail in the coffin....
""I was open," Martin said of his futile effort to find the bottom of the basket. "Shots I make every day -- in practice, in games, I just couldn't knock them down.""
MArtin was just not hitting shots. He wasn't sick anymore. He just couldnt hit jack.
Of course Martin isn't going to blame it on the flu, but I guarantee it had a profound effect on his energy levels. Which probably helps explain your comment below...
Overall, Martin failed to grab an offensive rebound in the series-ending defeat and was unable to become a factor in a game the Nets desperately needed him to show up.

You CANNOT compaire a "gattling" gun to a pistol. The problem is the Nets had guys who could and would score if he just quit shooting. Kerry Kittles had 16 points and 3 steals. Why couldn't he let the other Gattling guns shoot?
To imply that Kerry Kittles is as much as, or better, a scoring threat than Kenyon is ludicrous!! Even after KMart's horrid shooting day, he still avg'd a .453 FG% over the playoffs, compared to Kittles's .395... Points: 18.1 to 10.8, Rebounds: 9.4 to 3.5, need I go on?? There's a reason someone plays on the bench as opposed to starting. Like I said earlier, the coach is going to go with the formula that got him into the Finals/Playoffs or die trying.

He admits himself that he left his team down.
What else was he supposed to say? What is your point? Everyone on the Nets let their team down, especially the starters.

 

[LikeLinus]

Ok SP33Demon, whatever you say bud. You apparently didn't watch the game. Kittles had his shot on and was a scoring threat. He sat way too much late in the quarters. You are for some reason bluring the lines of overall skill level to the actual play of the night in question. If K Mart is shooting bad, he needs to feed the ball to others.

I'm not going to play the numbers game. It's all about the present time. The NBA finals game 6 isnt about what they've done all playoffs or year. It's about that 48 mins of the game.

I can only go by what the players and coaches have said themselves. He said he wasnt affected by the flu and his it was out of his system.

 

[Chess]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: m2kewl
man, what's wit all the kmart and nj hating? 😛

I hate K-Mart, especially the ones in NJ.

Oh wait... Kenyon Martin?
The over-rated, cocky Nets player that has no skills? <-- (not to be confused with Richard Jefferson who also possesses the same qualities)
Yeah, I hate him too 😛

KMart is far from over-rated. Get your facts straight bud. he had 2 bad playoff games, No i am not a nets fan, I am a Wiz fan, and BTW Duncan is the best player in the league, to whoever made that stat. Look at what he does for his team obviously you dont pay attention, Martin is one of the best players NJ has had in a while. Hopefully Kidd doesnt leave or else Kmart may try to move as well..

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Ok SP33Demon, whatever you say bud. You apparently didn't watch the game. Kittles had his shot on and was a scoring threat. He sat way too much late in the quarters. You are for some reason bluring the lines of overall skill level to the actual play of the night in question. If K Mart is shooting bad, he needs to feed the ball to others.

I'm not going to play the numbers game. It's all about the present time. The NBA finals game 6 isnt about what they've done all playoffs or year. It's about that 48 mins of the game.

I can only go by what the players and coaches have said themselves. He said he wasnt affected by the flu and his it was out of his system.

Yeah, I'm thinking that Scott may have been blurring the lines of overall skill level as well. Is a sick KMart better than a fully healthy Kittles? We'll never know, and Scott will be forever be chastised on ATOT for it... I can only assume that KMart was affected by the flu for his God awful performance. Yes, the Spurs have great D but KMart would at least score double digits against them (previously), and not take 23 shots to do it! Or, maybe that morning he found out he had a gay uncle? That would ruin anyone's day. 😀

 

[LikeLinus]

The REAL reason why it's so funny that K-Mart had such a bad 2 playoff games is last year when Keith Van Horn had such a bad finals, K Mart dogged on him to the media and said he didnt have much heart or game. You're not supposed to out your own teammates like that. So this year K-Mart had to step up big and he played horrible (flu or not) in 2 of the most important games of his life.

The sweet smell of Irony....

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
The REAL reason why it's so funny that K-Mart had such a bad 2 playoff games is last year when Keith Van Horn had such a bad finals, K Mart dogged on him to the media and said he didnt have much heart or game. You're not supposed to out your own teammates like that. So this year K-Mart had to step up big and he played horrible (flu or not) in 2 of the most important games of his life.

The sweet smell of Irony....

Yeah, and the Sixers (my fav team) picked up Keith and he turned out to be a nice addition...

KMart runs his mouth alot, but I think he has potential to be a champion... we'll see next year.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
The REAL reason why it's so funny that K-Mart had such a bad 2 playoff games is last year when Keith Van Horn had such a bad finals, K Mart dogged on him to the media and said he didnt have much heart or game. You're not supposed to out your own teammates like that. So this year K-Mart had to step up big and he played horrible (flu or not) in 2 of the most important games of his life.

The sweet smell of Irony....

Yeah, and the Sixers (my fav team) picked up Keith and he turned out to be a nice addition...

KMart runs his mouth alot, but I think he has potential to be a champion... we'll see next year.

Actually he's a pretty good and talented guy. I dont think he's all NBA yet, and who knows if he ever will be, but he's a great player for NJ and hard player generally.

 

[wyvrn]

As someone else point out already, there are more good PF in the league than centers. Center is WIDELY regarded as the hardest postion to fill on an NBA team. Duncan might actually have higher overall stats because he would be consistently playing against lesser quality talent than he is now. Now playing Shaq straight up would wear you down, because he is a freak in that he can be effective over 300 lbs. But most centers in the NBA don't outweight Duncan by much and he could easily add a few pounds of lower body muscle to counteract that without losing any skill. I repeat, Duncan played center very well in college, is a dominating PF in the NBA, and is not small by NBA center standards; so there is no reason to think he could not function very well as a center in the NBA. I think he could still be a 20/10 guy at center, which is about as dominant as it gets in today's NBA for that position.

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Excuses excuses. Martin couldn't be Duncan's caddy. It says somethng that Duncan could be a great player at two positions, whereas Martin would stink as a center. Duncan played C in college and dominated, there is no reason to suspect he couldn't in the pros.

BTW, the NETS HAD NO CHANCE! Now, prove me wrong. 😀 :beer:

i repeat, duncan is a center playing pf. i think duncan would be a good center in the league... all star too. but would he be league mvp playing the center position? no. good for the spurs that they have the luxury of playing him at pf. but they know it as well as anyone else that duncan would not be nearly as effective if he were forced to play center. why else do u think they r trying so eagerly to find a replacement for robinson? u don't hear them saying anything about "let's get a pf and move duncan over the c".

also, a lot of players "dominated" in college and become a scrub in the nba. so just becuz duncan was a proven center in college doesn't mean he will be a dominating center in the nba. but this is a moot case, since it has already been established that duncan is a pretty good player in the nba.

of course it is easy to proclaim something after the fact. good job tough guy.

 

[LeeTJ]

And to repeat someone above

playing Center in college proves nothing with regards to the NBA. Kenyon Martin played Center in College. it's not argument for saying he would be effective as a center in the NBA tho.

btw, i'm not claiming TD WOULDN'T be effective as Center, i don't know.

Originally posted by: wyvrn
As someone else point out already, there are more good PF in the league than centers. Center is WIDELY regarded as the hardest postion to fill on an NBA team. Duncan might actually have higher overall stats because he would be consistently playing against lesser quality talent than he is now. Now playing Shaq straight up would wear you down, because he is a freak in that he can be effective over 300 lbs. But most centers in the NBA don't outweight Duncan by much and he could easily add a few pounds of lower body muscle to counteract that without losing any skill. I repeat, Duncan played center very well in college, is a dominating PF in the NBA, and is not small by NBA center standards; so there is no reason to think he could not function very well as a center in the NBA. I think he could still be a 20/10 guy at center, which is about as dominant as it gets in today's NBA for that position.

Originally posted by: spanky

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Excuses excuses. Martin couldn't be Duncan's caddy. It says somethng that Duncan could be a great player at two positions, whereas Martin would stink as a center. Duncan played C in college and dominated, there is no reason to suspect he couldn't in the pros.

BTW, the NETS HAD NO CHANCE! Now, prove me wrong. 😀 :beer:

i repeat, duncan is a center playing pf. i think duncan would be a good center in the league... all star too. but would he be league mvp playing the center position? no. good for the spurs that they have the luxury of playing him at pf. but they know it as well as anyone else that duncan would not be nearly as effective if he were forced to play center. why else do u think they r trying so eagerly to find a replacement for robinson? u don't hear them saying anything about "let's get a pf and move duncan over the c".

also, a lot of players "dominated" in college and become a scrub in the nba. so just becuz duncan was a proven center in college doesn't mean he will be a dominating center in the nba. but this is a moot case, since it has already been established that duncan is a pretty good player in the nba.

of course it is easy to proclaim something after the fact. good job tough guy.

 

[wyvrn]

Using Martin isn't a decent comparison. He doesn't play center in the pros because he is too small. Duncan has plenty of size, and it can be argued his quickness for his size would make him a superb center ala Hakeem Olajuwan. There are exceptions where smaller players did well at center, namely Mourning and Wallace. But usually those guys lose the head to head matchups with the prototypical centers like Hakeem, Shaq, and yes Duncan. If you read all of my points, and not just single out the college part of the argument, then it stands there is no reason to believe Duncan could not be an effective center. I think he likes playing PF because he is quick enough to do so and there is less wear and tear, but that does not prove he could not play a very good center position.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
And to repeat someone above

playing Center in college proves nothing with regards to the NBA. Kenyon Martin played Center in College. it's not argument for saying he would be effective as a center in the NBA tho.

btw, i'm not claiming TD WOULDN'T be effective as Center, i don't know.

Hey I stated it before AND after the series. I was merely pointing that out 😀

Originally posted by: Spanky
of course it is easy to proclaim something after the fact. good job tough guy

 

[LeeTJ]

You quoted the wrong guy. i didn't make the tough guy comment. 🙂

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Using Martin isn't a decent comparison. He doesn't play center in the pros because he is too small. Duncan has plenty of size, and it can be argued his quickness for his size would make him a superb center ala Hakeem Olajuwan. There are exceptions where smaller players did well at center, namely Mourning and Wallace. But usually those guys lose the head to head matchups with the prototypical centers like Hakeem, Shaq, and yes Duncan. If you read all of my points, and not just single out the college part of the argument, then it stands there is no reason to believe Duncan could not be an effective center. I think he likes playing PF because he is quick enough to do so and there is less wear and tear, but that does not prove he could not play a very good center position.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
And to repeat someone above

playing Center in college proves nothing with regards to the NBA. Kenyon Martin played Center in College. it's not argument for saying he would be effective as a center in the NBA tho.

btw, i'm not claiming TD WOULDN'T be effective as Center, i don't know.

Hey I stated it before AND after the series. I was merely pointing that out 😀

of course it is easy to proclaim something after the fact. good job tough guy

 

[Corporate Thug]

I hate martin cuz he is a dirty player. it was obvious that he was soooo frustrated cuz he couldb't buy a basket so he resorted to knocking the ball out of peoples' hands when the whistle had been blown.

Tony Parker? yeah, he had a bad series. but does that matter? his team WON! If NJ had won, there would be very little talk about Martin's poor play

and lastly, NJ won 2 games. THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING PEOPLE! either you win or lose, and the Nets lost. also, they won the 2 games by a combined 3 or 4 points. NJ is on there way to becoming the Buffalo Bills of basketball

 

[wyvrn]

That was Spanky, and it was put in a different quote from yours. I quite often respond to more than one person in the same post. I changed it for ya.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
You quoted the wrong guy. i didn't make the tough guy comment. 🙂

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Using Martin isn't a decent comparison. He doesn't play center in the pros because he is too small. Duncan has plenty of size, and it can be argued his quickness for his size would make him a superb center ala Hakeem Olajuwan. There are exceptions where smaller players did well at center, namely Mourning and Wallace. But usually those guys lose the head to head matchups with the prototypical centers like Hakeem, Shaq, and yes Duncan. If you read all of my points, and not just single out the college part of the argument, then it stands there is no reason to believe Duncan could not be an effective center. I think he likes playing PF because he is quick enough to do so and there is less wear and tear, but that does not prove he could not play a very good center position.

Originally posted by: LeeTJ
And to repeat someone above

playing Center in college proves nothing with regards to the NBA. Kenyon Martin played Center in College. it's not argument for saying he would be effective as a center in the NBA tho.

btw, i'm not claiming TD WOULDN'T be effective as Center, i don't know.

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