Kentucky man shoots down drone and gets arrested

[nickqt]

libtard

Enjoyed the exchange also.

Libtard

Take a shot!

 

[davmat787]

You're a quite right guy for P&N. OT is where it's at.

Wash state...come see us in S.C.

Will be visiting family in Washington D.C. later and were going to try and do a tour of north and south Carolina BBQ lol. I'd love to visit Charleston, looks like a beautiful city. Will be the first time I've ever left the western united states in my life, your humidity scares me to death however! And the population density of the Atlantic seaboard weirds me out too lol.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'd love to learn the reasons and psychology behind this change in parenting style and expectations. Kids won't turn out as balanced and adjusted like this and the additional stress on parents can't be good either.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane that put a needed smile on my face.

You guys got me wondering so I had to wander over to the closet and pull Mom's pellet gun out
Sure enough it's a Beeman, no idea what model though
She used it to "keep the blackbirds away" from her bird feeder

I let my boys work their testosterone out with the ant burning and pellet gun wars like I did too.
They grew up right

 

[davmat787]

You guys got me wondering so I had to wander over to the closet and pull Mom's pellet gun out
Sure enough it's a Beeman, no idea what model though
She used it to "keep the blackbirds away" from her bird feeder

I let my boys work their testosterone out with the ant burning and pellet gun wars like I did too.
They grew up right

Nice, that looks like a real classic Beeman. And by classic I mean old but thought classic was a nicer way to put it.

Break barrel single pump in .177 I'm guessing? With an older air rifle you sometimes need to oil the gaskets of the pneumatic system but the spring tension makes it a task to not undertake lightly or blindly.

Dried out gaskets won't allow as much air pressure to be held, resulting in lower muzzle velocity.

Beemans are a true joy to shoot, some of the best air rifles made.

 

[highland145]

Will be visiting family in Washington D.C. later and were going to try and do a tour of north and south Carolina BBQ lol. I'd love to visit Charleston, looks like a beautiful city. Will be the first time I've ever left the western united states in my life, your humidity scares me to death however! And the population density of the Atlantic seaboard weirds me out too lol.

Scares the crap out of me and I was born here.

Tour wise, and I don't have an answer, you need to find a group/person that will handle the site seeing. There are a ton of amazing sites, history, ghost tours, Hunley, Patriot's Point, historic houses/cemeteries, ghost tours, Poe's, etc, etc. It's too much to take in on 1 visit, imo.

Ignore zin about the bbq. He's clueless.

 

[highland145]

Very nice, Earl.

 

[highland145]

Libtard

Take a shot!

Waste of powder. Sadly. Internet loads don't count.

Killed any babies today? Hear they're getting top $$ because of the possible short supply.

 

[davmat787]

Scares the crap out of me and I was born here.

Tour wise, and I don't have an answer, you need to find a group/person that will handle the site seeing. There are a ton of amazing sites, history, ghost tours, Hunley, Patriot's Point, historic houses/cemeteries, ghost tours, Poe's, etc, etc. It's too much to take in on 1 visit, imo.

Ignore zin about the bbq. He's clueless.

Yea my brother has told me about the density of historical spots and worthwhile sights back there. Even being warned I still think I will be shocked at the saturation of history back there. I'm a western guy through and through but things are just newer out here and doesn't have the historical gravitas.

I love both vinegar and mustard based BBQ anyway, I know zin is from NC but doesn't exactly favor his homestates BBQ style. I think Berkeley has gotten to the poor guy anyway lol.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Nice, that looks like a real classic Beeman. And by classic I mean old but thought classic was a nicer way to put it.

Break barrel single pump in .177 I'm guessing? With an older air rifle you sometimes need to oil the gaskets of the pneumatic system but the spring tension makes it a task to not undertake lightly or blindly.

Dried out gaskets won't allow as much air pressure to be held, resulting in lower muzzle velocity.

Beemans are a true joy to shoot, some of the best air rifles made.

Just eyeballing it, I'd say it's a .177, ya there's a can of oil there too
I'll never use it and the boys only use their shotguns and hunting rifles nowadays
edit- I should say the boys and girl, she's a pretty good shot

 

[highland145]

I love both vinegar and mustard based BBQ anyway, I know zin is from NC but doesn't exactly favor his homestates BBQ style. I think Berkeley has gotten to the poor guy anyway lol.

He says he's moved on from rat handler but I'm suspect.

I imagine you could spend 2 weeks in Charleston with a knowledgeable person and get most of it. Same applies for the places in N.C. The US is loaded if you can find "the guide"....

 

[DrPizza]

FTFY.

According to the video the drone was over the "drone slayer's" house for less than 2 seconds. Was the shooter just sitting outside his house with his gun waiting for the <2 second pass?

272 feet?! In another thread, people were doubting 200 feet was possible with #8 shot; I was one of those who said that 200 feet was beyond the effective range, but it might be able to bring it down. 272 feet? No freaking way. Here's a video on groupings from 30 to 60 yards. Note that the spread at 30 yards is a little more than 2 1/2 feet. At 60 yards, the pattern is spread out to over 10 feet wide. At 90 yards?! It would be a miracle if more than 2 or 3 pellets hit it, and an even bigger miracle if they hit it in a critical spot, and an even bigger miracle if they still had enough energy to damage it at all. Horizontally, I think 7.5 shot (larger than 8 shot, more range) travels well under 300 yards. E.g., there's a trap range somewhere that has an airport runway that the shooters are shooting toward - the runway is 300 yards away, and it's not a safety problem.

And if the flight logs really do claim it was only over the guy's property for 2 seconds, then I strongly believe the flight logs were edited - it's not that hard to do. I find it difficult to believe that the guy just happened to be ready with a shotgun during those two seconds. Further, with the guy claiming it was hovering over his sunbathing daughters, and a neighbor claiming the same thing about her own daughter... they ought to serve a warrant to confiscate some computers for evidence in the case.

 

[davmat787]

Even if the drone was at 300 feet airspace below 500 feet and above private property isn't public airspace.

Public airspace begins at 500 feet by default, obviously there will be exceptions for flight paths to and from airports.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

 

[Paratus]

Even if the drone was at 300 feet airspace below 500 feet and above private property isn't public airspace.

Public airspace begins at 500 feet by default, obviously there will be exceptions for flight paths to and from airports.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

FAA says otherwise - they have authority all the way down to the ground:

http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=76240

Myth #1: The FAA doesn't control airspace below 400 feet
Fact&#8212;The FAA is responsible for the safety of U.S. airspace from the ground up. This misperception may originate with the idea that manned aircraft generally must stay at least 500 feet above the ground
Myth #2: Commercial UAS flights are OK if I'm over private property and stay below 400 feet.
Fact&#8212;The FAA published a Federal Register notice in 2007 that clarified the agency&#8217;s policy: You may not fly a UAS for commercial purposes by claiming that you&#8217;re operating according to the Model Aircraft guidelines (below 400 feet, 3 miles from an airport, away from populated areas.) Commercial operations are only authorized on a case-by-case basis. A commercial flight requires a certified aircraft, a licensed pilot and operating approval. To date, only one operation has met these criteria, using Insitu's ScanEagle, and authorization was limited to the Arctic.( http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=73981)
Myth #3: Commercial UAS operations are a &#8220;gray area&#8221; in FAA regulations.
Fact&#8212;There are no shades of gray in FAA regulations. Anyone who wants to fly an aircraft&#8212;manned or unmanned&#8212;in U.S. airspace needs some level of FAA approval. Private sector (civil) users can obtain an experimental airworthiness certificate to conduct research and development, training and flight demonstrations. Commercial UAS operations are limited and require the operator to have certified aircraft and pilots, as well as operating approval. To date, only two UAS models (the Scan Eagle and Aerovironment&#8217;s Puma) have been certified, and they can only fly in the Arctic. Public entities (federal, state and local governments, and public universities) may apply for a Certificate of Waiver or Authorization (COA)
The FAA reviews and approves UAS operations over densely-populated areas on a case-by-case basis.

Flying model aircraft solely for hobby or recreational reasons does not require FAA approval. However, hobbyists are advised to operate their aircraft in accordance with the agency's model aircraft guidelines (see Advisory Circular 91-57). In the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 (Public Law 112-95, Sec 336), Congress exempted model aircraft from new rules or regulations provided the aircraft are operated "in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization."

The FAA and the Academy of Model Aeronautics recently signed a first-ever agreement that formalizes a working relationship and establishes a partnership for advancing safe model UAS operations. This agreement also lays the ground work for enacting the model aircraft provisions of Public Law 112-95, Sec 336. Modelers operating under the provisions of P.L. 112-95, Sec 336 must comply with the safety guidelines of a nationwide community-based organization.
Myth #4: There are too many commercial UAS operations for the FAA to stop.
Fact&#8212;The FAA has to prioritize its safety responsibilities, but the agency is monitoring UAS operations closely. Many times, the FAA learns about suspected commercial UAS operations via a complaint from the public or other businesses. The agency occasionally discovers such operations through the news media or postings on internet sites. When the FAA discovers apparent unauthorized UAS operations, the agency has a number of enforcement tools available to address these operations, including a verbal warning, a warning letter, and an order to stop the operation.
Myth #5: Commercial UAS operations will be OK after September 30, 2015.
Fact&#8212;In the 2012 FAA reauthorization legislation, Congress told the FAA to come up with a plan for &#8220;safe integration&#8221; of UAS by September 30, 2015. Safe integration will be incremental. The agency is still developing regulations, policies and standards that will cover a wide variety of UAS users, and expects to publish a proposed rule for small UAS &#8211; under about 55 pounds &#8211; later this year. That proposed rule will likely include provisions for commercial operations.
Myth #6: The FAA is lagging behind other countries in approving commercial drones.
Fact &#8211; This comparison is flawed. The United States has the busiest, most complex airspace in the world, including many general aviation aircraft that we must consider when planning UAS integration, because those same airplanes and small UAS may occupy the same airspace.
Developing all the rules and standards we need is a very complex task, and we want to make sure we get it right the first time. We want to strike the right balance of requirements for UAS to help foster growth in an emerging industry with a wide range of potential uses, but also keep all airspace users and people on the ground safe.
Myth #7: The FAA predicts as many as 30,000 drones by 2030.
Fact&#8212;That figure is outdated. It was an estimate in the FAA&#8217;s 2011 Aerospace Forecast. Since then, the agency has refined its prediction to focus on the area of greatest expected growth. The FAA currently estimates as many as 7,500 small commercial UAS may be in use by 2018, assuming the necessary regulations are in place. The number may be updated when the agency publishes the proposed rule on small UAS later this year.

 

[Zorba]

Even if the drone was at 300 feet airspace below 500 feet and above private property isn't public airspace.

Public airspace begins at 500 feet by default, obviously there will be exceptions for flight paths to and from airports.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

I think the "who owns the air above my property" is a hotly debated subject. But real aircraft have minimum altitudes they can fly over populated areas, 1000 over "densely" populated areas. Not to mention minimum distances from people and structures. These are probably too strict for drones, but there needs to be something similar for them.

 

[Paratus]

I think the "who owns the air above my property" is a hotly debated subject. But real aircraft have minimum altitudes they can fly over populated areas, 1000 over "densely" populated areas. Not to mention minimum distances from people and structures. These are probably too strict for drones, but there needs to be something similar for them.

While I agree it's debated on the Internet, the answer is the FAA has authority from the ground up.

 

[davmat787]

I think the "who owns the air above my property" is a hotly debated subject. But real aircraft have minimum altitudes they can fly over populated areas, 1000 over "densely" populated areas. Not to mention minimum distances from people and structures. These are probably too strict for drones, but there needs to be something similar for them.

I believe the FAA reiterated the 500 foot regulation recently specifically due to the growing use of privately owned drones.

The low cost of unmanned aerial vehicles in the 2000s revived legal questions of what activities were permissible at low altitude.[7] The FAA reestablished that public, or navigable, airspace is the space above 500 feet

From the link in my post above.

 

[Brovane]

I believe the FAA reiterated the 500 foot regulation recently specifically due to the growing use of privately owned drones.



From the link in my post above.

Above 500 feet is controlled Airspace and Public, below 500 feet is public Airspace but not controlled.

 

[davmat787]

Above 500 feet is controlled Airspace and Public, below 500 feet is public Airspace but not controlled.

Below 500 feet over private property is not public airspace, as is the case with the homeowner in this thread.

In the case of United States v. Causby,[5] the U.S. Supreme Court declared the navigable airspace to be "a public highway" and within the public domain. At the same time, the law, and the Supreme Court, recognized that a landowner had property rights in the lower reaches of the airspace above their property. The law, in balancing the public interest in using the airspace for air navigation against the landowner's rights, declared that a landowner controls use of the airspace above their property in connection with their uninterrupted use and enjoyment of the underlying land. In other words, a person's real property ownership includes a reasonable amount of the private airspace above the property in order to prevent nuisance.

 

[Paratus]

Below 500 feet over private property is not public airspace, as is the case with the homeowner in this thread.

If I remember that case correctly, the nuisance was continuous low flying airplanes over his property.

Occasional flights below 400ft are not considered a nuisance.

 

[NoCreativity]

And if the flight logs really do claim it was only over the guy's property for 2 seconds, then I strongly believe the flight logs were edited - it's not that hard to do. I find it difficult to believe that the guy just happened to be ready with a shotgun during those two seconds. Further, with the guy claiming it was hovering over his sunbathing daughters, and a neighbor claiming the same thing about her own daughter... they ought to serve a warrant to confiscate some computers for evidence in the case.

Video shows it was hovering for about 20 seconds over his neighbors yard at 193ft then ascended to ~270 ft before passing over shooter's house. Hard to tell how far away his neighbor is (easy to see drone from that distance?) but maybe that was enough time to grab the gun from inside? I don't think 22 seconds is enough time to process that the drone is there and hovering, go grab a gun and shoot the thing out of the sky with what sounds like a pretty remarkable shot.

 

[Darwin333]

Anyone who shoots knows it is near impossible to make that shot. The claim of being that far away seems pretty flimsy to me.

In all fairness it only takes a single pellet to take out the very light and delicate drone. Also we are taking the shooters word that he used #8 shot, at least the drone operator has telemetry as some sort of proof.

 

[Darwin333]

The actual drone itself should have flight logs that will show how high it was. From a private property perspective you don't own the air above your house. That means the homeowner was shooting at the drone while it was in public airspace. So even if he was at 100 feet, shooting it down wasn't legal. Hopefully somebody will pull the flight logs and we can get some more accurate information.

The drone operator posted a video of the telemetry that looks legit, there is a link earlier in the thread.

I'm not sure how hard it would be to fake the telemetry but I fly a drone, am pretty tech savvy and I would have no clue how to even begin faking telemetry.

 

[piasabird]

Well if you know the idiot running the thing go shoot his controller. What would be nice to have is a water cannon or a potato gun.

Or you could just ignore it. However, operating a drone and a video camera are 2 different things. If they are using a camera on your property without your authority that could get into wiretapping laws and other privacy laws.

Maybe someone will come up with something like a directional microwave blaster or some jamming equipment.

 

[nickqt]

Waste of powder. Sadly. Internet loads don't count.

Killed any babies today? Hear they're getting top $$ because of the possible short supply.

Raped any children alongside your hero Master Limbaugh?

 

[runzwithsizorz]

The drone operator posted a video of the telemetry that looks legit, there is a link earlier in the thread.

I'm not sure how hard it would be to fake the telemetry but I fly a drone, am pretty tech savvy and I would have no clue how to even begin faking telemetry.

It would be nearly impossible to edit the video data log, even with it downloaded onto a computer, and using the worlds best video editing software. Way too many rapidly changing parameters, (ie numbers).
I use a different type of data logger for my r/c boats, and it downloads/prints as a graph. Now *that* I could alter. The only way the pilot could mislead, ie commit fraud, or perjury, and make it believable, is if he did a similar flight with another drone :ninja: then the only thing he would have to edit was the date/time stamp.
Sooo My big question is,-- where is the sd card???? Even if the craft tumbled though the trees on it's way down, the odds of the card popping out are slim.