Kennedy vs Clinton - A Donnybrook?

Fern

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Saw an awful lot about Ted Kennedy's endorsement speech for Obama. Particularly on Chris mathew's Hardball show last night.

Mathews actually said twice that Kennedy was passing the Dem "Torch" and was bypassing the Clintons. (reminded me of Moonbeam's remark yesterday)

Mathews played 16 clips/excerps of Kennedy's speech and presented them as 16 different, specific rebukes to the Clintons. Including such "issues" as rejection of the politics of distortion (in general), rejection of divisions along racial, gender or ethnic lines, and no tolerating any claims that Obama did not have a consistant record of being against the Iraq "war".

We also saw that Kennedy was taking up a very substantial calender to travel around the US and campaign personally on behalf of Obama. If HRC is gonna have Bill, Obama is gonna have Ted Kennedy.

Kennedy, according to Mathews, has a ton of cred with the Latinos (his support of cesar Chavez etc) and is gonna be using it to get votes for Obama before Super Tuesday.

Mathews says Kennedy never even called HRC to tell her of his Obama endorsement, he just called Bill. And that Bill apparently went to some effort to get Kennedy to back off the endorsement, or at least wait until later. No go.

This group of Dems sees Bill, not Hillary, as in charge. They also say Bill is now gonna be covered in the media as if he were the candidate, not a campaigner. Mathews put up several recent articles by Dems denouncing Bill's efforts, like Frank Rich's and others that I'm forgeting ATM

Mathews thinks this might result in even more endorsemnts for Obama from Dems in Congress. Apparently, even if HRC becomes President she can't retaliate. Kennedy has too much power in the Senate (committee chairmanship etc) and she'll have to play nice if she wants anything passed. This will give everybody cover who comes out now for Obama.

Mathews seemed absolutely gleeful about the whole thing. I gotta believe he's "old school" and doesn't really care for the Clintons at all.

I noticed he didn't have one Clinton supporter on the show.

Seemed like Kennedy was throwing the Clintons under the bus big-time. Actually more Kennedy punched 'em in the nuts, threw 'em under the bus, pissed on 'em and called his dogs over to bite 'em. Then got into bus, started it up and backed over the clintons a few times for good measure

Looks like a big schism and shift in the future of the Dem party.

When Ted (along with Rahm Emanual and others) called Bill earlier and told him to back off the racial stuff etc, Bill shoulda listened.

Fern
 

jonks

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Matthews has been essentially endorsing Obama for a couple months now. He talked way back in November or thereabouts about how the Dem party likes to hype 'the dreamers' like Tsongas and Dean, who speak to the youth and inspire, but they always fall through, and he figured the same would happen to Obama. Since around Iowa he's been almost gushing about Obama. It's kinda gross considering he's usually a grump.
 

techs

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As I have always said. Hillary is a centrist. Which is why one of the most liberal Senators in the country is not her fan.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: techs
As I have always said. Hillary is a centrist. Which is why one of the most liberal Senators in the country is not her fan.

She is not a centrist. She is a liberal democratic partisan.

For centrists, look up the House of Reps Blue Dog coalition. Thats what centrists are.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: techs
As I have always said. Hillary is a centrist. Which is why one of the most liberal Senators in the country is not her fan.
Do you ever get dizzy?
 

nageov3t

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who the hell is ted kennedy anyways?

where was he when the democrats were losing election after election after election for the past 35 years? that's right... riding his last name's coattails, sitting on a senate seat that he couldn't lose if he got drunk and ran someone over, waiting for Bill Clinton to lead the party out from the wilderness.

I mean, I like the guy, but how much does one of the most liberal senators in washington mean when the country is moving ever towards the center-right?

edit: and between Donnybrook and outrage over New Hampshire ballets, you guys are really gaying up P&N :p
 

heyheybooboo

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HRC is more conservative than Dick Nixon .... and Bubba was the best republican president since the good Eisenhower - not the bad Eisenhower ...

Hard to say where Obama might end up. Whoever the Prez ends up being the first two years of the term may well suck - Because the Fed has liquidified the monetary system like crazy the recession (like many things) is being kicked down the road by the Bushies.

Depending upon the 'bloat' in the stimulus package, war funding and the economy, Federal debt may well increase $650-$700 billion this year.

And I don't know if I would want to dump that on Obama because he seems the most genuine of any of them ...
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Fern
Saw an awful lot about Ted Kennedy's endorsement speech for Obama. Particularly on Chris mathew's Hardball show last night.

Mathews actually said twice that Kennedy was passing the Dem "Torch" and was bypassing the Clintons. (reminded me of Moonbeam's remark yesterday)

Does anybody here really think that Ted Kennedy actually had the Dem "Torch" to pass? If anything, he's trying to get his hands on a piece of it again.

 

M0RPH

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Does anybody here really think that Ted Kennedy actually had the Dem "Torch" to pass? If anything, he's trying to get his hands on a piece of it again.

Exactly. Not long ago he couldn't even say the guy's name, called him Osama or something. Now he sees the excitement around Obama and he wants to hitch a ride. probably figures he can get back in with the young crowd.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: loki8481
who the hell is ted kennedy anyways?

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Does anybody here really think that Ted Kennedy actually had the Dem "Torch" to pass? If anything, he's trying to get his hands on a piece of it again.

Ted Kennedy is a very powerful Senator, to act otherwise is silly. Lot of influence. It's hard to get something through the Senate without acquiesance. He's got a powerful Committe Chairmanship. A crap load of legislation has his name on it. He's been in the Senate about 45 years, only Byrd has been around longer. There's a lot of Democrats that owe him favors.

He might not mean a lot to younger people, but he's got a lot of influence over many of the Dem's constiuency - Labor unions, minorites, education, (Latino) immigrants etc. Women are prolly his only weak point in the Dem party.

Fern
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: techs
As I have always said. Hillary is a centrist. Which is why one of the most liberal Senators in the country is not her fan.

I'll take a unifying liberal over a partisan unethical power-hungry "centrist" any day.