Bravo! Bravo!
Watch the short video
The GOP's claims of national security for its anti-worker assault is pathetic.
Watch the short video
The GOP's claims of national security for its anti-worker assault is pathetic.
Kennedy on fire!
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Good speech, but it's embarrassing it's even an issue, much less one that passes so closely. The right wing ideologues are so harmful to this nation. This should be a clear policy without debate. Too bad the monied insterests are doing so well at rolling back the clock before FDR to worker poverty and concentration of wealth.
Kennedy is doing great.
Kennedy is doing great.
I was following this issue a bit, and couldn't believe the arguments against this amendment. You're talking about the workers who, theoretically, are supposed to be protecting the security of our transportation systems, and while people complain about how untrained or unqualified they are, they don't want to make the job more attractive for better workers. Give them worker protections, pay them a decent wage, and you'll have good people that will stick around. Treat them like crap, and you're going to have a mix of good people doing a half-assed job because they don't care and unqualified people who just want a job.
airport screeners as first line defenders?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Sorry, so Kennedy goes off on a tirade not related to the issue at hand and we are supposed to congratulate him?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
Sorry, so Kennedy goes off on a tirade not related to the issue at hand and we are supposed to congratulate him?
Whoozyerdaddy
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Is he seriously trying to compare TSA workers to ICE, border patrol workers, prison guards... Secret Service agents??? And later to the fire fighters who ran into the WTC?
Wow.
No offense, but TSA workers are glorified rent-a-cops. And it's probably a stretch to even use the term "glorified." The only thing that changed after 9/11 for airport security was they got a raise and became federal employees.
I see the usual suspects crowing on about the right to unionize, power to the people, etc... Kennedy is an idiot. "Look at turnover rates at Secret Service vs TSA" :roll: Secret Service agents are college educated professionals. TSA jobs are entry level security guard positions. ANYBODY who passes a background check can get the job. What a stupid comparison.
Wow.
No offense, but TSA workers are glorified rent-a-cops. And it's probably a stretch to even use the term "glorified." The only thing that changed after 9/11 for airport security was they got a raise and became federal employees.
I see the usual suspects crowing on about the right to unionize, power to the people, etc... Kennedy is an idiot. "Look at turnover rates at Secret Service vs TSA" :roll: Secret Service agents are college educated professionals. TSA jobs are entry level security guard positions. ANYBODY who passes a background check can get the job. What a stupid comparison.
You missed the point. He's saying that those workers, including fire fighters, didn't complain when asked to step during 9/11, so the argument that TSA workers shouldn't have their same worker rights because it would just allow them to file greivences and not work during times of emergency just doesn't wash.
He's right.
The clip itself could use a little better context. I'd suggest reading the amendment itself and related discussions prior to his speech (including the Republican argument he's attacking). In that context, he's making a very good argument.
moshquerade
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bravo! :laugh:Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh? Video of Kennedy spilling a drink on himself while lighting up a cigar?
Had to say it!
It's a wonder anyone can understand his drunken slurred speech.
As a frequent business traveler, I agree completely with this assessment.
I think my fav TSA people are the ones at the Newark NJ airport, they are by far the rudest and 1/3 has huge bling-bling earrings and tattoos on their neck.
I worked on the TSA project and while they actually tossed out people who were blind or intoxicated(yes on chick showed up drunk and high out of her mind to the interview process). Most of these people were simply workers who worked the same job for a private company on Sept 10th 2001. All the govt did was come in, give them a better looking uniform and pay them twice what they are worth.
How many rent a cop mall security guards make north of 30K a year?
Whoozyerdaddy
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They shouldn't have the same workers' rights because they aren't the same kind of workers. If you hadn't cherry picked what I wrote you'd see that the I said TSA workers are entry level employees. You can quit your burger flipping job at McDonald's and go be a TSA worker. That's what kind of job it is. Should McDonald's employees have the right to organize as well?
TSA is not a front line defender organization. It's an entry level job. Jobs like that will always have turnover. There is no point in tying to stop it. There is certainly no point in allowing them to organize and be even more expensive to the tax payer than they already are.
Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh? Video of Kennedy spilling a drink on himself while lighting up a cigar?
Had to say it!
Exactly wrong.
Originally posted by: moshquerade
bravo! :laugh:Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh? Video of Kennedy spilling a drink on himself while lighting up a cigar?
Had to say it!
It's a wonder anyone can understand his drunken slurred speech.
the word bravo should sure you for abusing it.
It's you that's hard to understand, not Kennedy.
You're pretty selfish. They aren't going to get paid like the other positions, with organizing rights, because of the difference. That's no reason to treat them like crap.
Red Dawn
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It must be the echoing resonating between her ears that makes it so hard for her to understand.Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: moshquerade
bravo! :laugh:Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh? Video of Kennedy spilling a drink on himself while lighting up a cigar?
Had to say it!
It's a wonder anyone can understand his drunken slurred speech.
the word bravo should sure you for abusing it.
It's you that's hard to understand, not Kennedy.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
It must be the echoing resonating between her ears that makes it so hard for her to understand.Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: moshquerade
bravo! :laugh:Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh? Video of Kennedy spilling a drink on himself while lighting up a cigar?
Had to say it!
It's a wonder anyone can understand his drunken slurred speech.
the word bravo should sure you for abusing it.
It's you that's hard to understand, not Kennedy.
With the exception of a few quality people who post in both, I just ignore the ATOT'er crowd, most of them are useless unless the thread is about cute kitty pictures or how to make friends on the internets.
We should be thankful that most of them stay out of P&N otherwise we would have constant whining about closing threads and demands for account bannage from the OT Cosa Nostra.
Doc Savage Fan
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So, lets say you give TSA collective bargaining rights. If they go on strike, the nation shuts down. Isn't this exactly what happened when the air traffic controllers when they had collective bargaining rights? Should such a small group people hold to power to cripple our country and it's economy if they don't happen to get a raise or benefit package to their liking?
Kennedy is the consummate politician...full of rhetoric. But I do agree that unionization shouldn't affect the TSA's ability to respond rapidly to terrorist threats. However, that's all fine and good as long as they aren't on strike the day something nasty hits the fan.
Kennedy is the consummate politician...full of rhetoric. But I do agree that unionization shouldn't affect the TSA's ability to respond rapidly to terrorist threats. However, that's all fine and good as long as they aren't on strike the day something nasty hits the fan.
Doc Savage, did you watch the speech, where Kennedy said the amendment does NOT give them the right to strike?
Whoozyerdaddy
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I'm not selfish. I'm not treating anybody like crap either. Do you know what TSA agents make? I don't know if it's the same all over the country but the paper here has ads for TSA positions at $24/hr to start. Not bad for unskilled labor with no higher education. They don't need to organize. There's no reason for it. And for Kennedy to compare them to Secret Service and fire fighters is just stupid.
The GOP and their supporters in here hate America so much, I don't understand what is keeping them here.
They are apparently making money on destroying the Country is the only reasonable conclusion.
moshquerade
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"the word bravo should sure you for abusing it."Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: moshquerade
bravo! :laugh:Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh? Video of Kennedy spilling a drink on himself while lighting up a cigar?
Had to say it!
It's a wonder anyone can understand his drunken slurred speech.
the word bravo should sure you for abusing it.
It's you that's hard to understand, not Kennedy.
you say something like that and then accuse me of being hard to understand? :laugh:
Kennedy would love a brainwashed twerp like you in his camp.
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