Kaveri Laptops

[Abwx]

The first thing to ask yourself is are you ok with this level of performance?

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Aspire-E5-551-T8X3-Kaveri-A10-7300-Notebook-Review.122063.0.html

That's a review of the A10-7300 laptop.

For some reason the APU is running at 2.1-2.4 in single threaded benches, there is other reviews that shoh also different results in ST using the 7350B APU, result in CB 11.5 ST are 0.63 and 0.7, too high of a difference, the score in your link is 0.49, wich is about 2GHz, yet all thoses APUs turbos are at close frequencies theoricaly.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-755-G2-J0X38AW-Notebook-Review.126452.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-EliteBook-725-G2-Notebook-J0H65AW-Review.127636.0.html

 

[Enigmoid]

Has anyone else noticed that this ACER Laptop uses the ATI Catalyst 13.351.1002.1002 (2013 driver) for a 2014 APU Laptop model ???

For example, Catalyst 14.4 is 14.10.1006

I dont believe this driver even supports the Kaveri iGPU.

From the link above,

If this laptop comes with this driver then i really dont know what to say about ACER.
Also, if notebookcheck benched with this driver, then the entire gaming benchmarks are irrelevant.

I agree completely. However, some OEMs have taken the task of locking the notebook to special OEM only driver packages with the result that you cannot upgrade the video drivers using stock AMD/Nvidia drivers; you need their installation package. Fine except they release no more packages once they stop selling that particular model.

I have a dell xps 502 with a 525m still on the 282.xx drivers. Can't upgrade, newer games won't run properly. Nightmare.

 

[AtenRa]

I agree completely. However, some OEMs have taken the task of locking the notebook to special OEM only driver packages with the result that you cannot upgrade the video drivers using stock AMD/Nvidia drivers; you need their installation package. Fine except they release no more packages once they stop selling that particular model.

I have a dell xps 502 with a 525m still on the 282.xx drivers. Can't upgrade, newer games won't run properly. Nightmare.

Yea i have made countless upgrades from Win Vista to Win 7 or even Win 8 and some Laptops with discrete NVIDIA mGPUs cannot install the official NVIDIA driver (but most can use the OEM Vista driver).

I dislike Laptops, i really need to have full control on the hardware and software like in custom desktop builds.

 

[monstercameron]

I agree completely. However, some OEMs have taken the task of locking the notebook to special OEM only driver packages with the result that you cannot upgrade the video drivers using stock AMD/Nvidia drivers; you need their installation package. Fine except they release no more packages once they stop selling that particular model.



I have a dell xps 502 with a 525m still on the 282.xx drivers. Can't upgrade, newer games won't run properly. Nightmare.

I've never seen locked drivers on an Amd laptop but I've seen this on Intel laptops.

Also @tential stop blowing so much smoke(I may have butchered the expression) , while you have to temper your expectations don't sell Kaveri so short, it isn't a high end gaming beast, the fx7500 would offer some decent perf. The 19w a10-7300 is a ulv part with limitations.

 

[tential]

I've never seen locked drivers on an Amd laptop but I've seen this on Intel laptops.

Also @tential stop blowing so much smoke(I may have butchered the expression) , while you have to temper your expectations don't sell Kaveri so short, it isn't a high end gaming beast, the fx7500 would offer some decent perf. The 19w a10-7300 is a ulv part with limitations.

We're not talking about the FX-7500. We're talking about the A10-7300.

If you followed the thread at all, you'd notice we were talking about the A10 parts (A10-7300 specifically).

You're more than welcome to post a laptop using the FX-7500 though available in the US.

 

[lefty2]

The one thing about Kaveri laptops is that because of their budget nature they only ever come with one DIMM, so the GPU performance is much less than it's true potential.

 

[monstercameron]

We're not talking about the FX-7500. We're talking about the A10-7300.



If you followed the thread at all, you'd notice we were talking about the A10 parts (A10-7300 specifically).



You're more than welcome to post a laptop using the FX-7500 though available in the US.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-...&skuId=8825037

Hp seems to be amd's only decent partner!?

Also what is acceptable performance when all most people know is Intel hd graphics?

 

[sm625]

We're not talking about the FX-7500. We're talking about the A10-7300.

You're splitting hairs. They are basically the same chip. The FX-7500 is just clocked a little higher. That doesnt even necessarily mean actual FX-7500 notebooks will be more expensive.

 

[tential]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-...&skuId=8825037

Hp seems to be amd's only decent partner!?

Also what is acceptable performance when all most people know is Intel hd graphics?

I guess you didn't read the thread (no surprise).

FX-6300/NVidia GtX760 is what the OP has. He knows what graphics performance is like.

The only thing I told OP is to not expect to play 2014 games like AC Unity, Dragon Age Inquisition, etc. on his laptop. That's an obvious thing from a BUDGET standpoint. This isnt' against AMD so please, stop your "everyone is targeting AMD" and realize a budget laptop isn't going to be playing new Triple A Titles.

Anyway, OP's M265 choice is probably better for gaming and cheaper but hey, you guys are the supposed "APU experts".

OP,realize that these are not unbiased opinions and that two posters here run a site called APUSilicon to promote APUs. Make whatever decision you want though, you have more than enough information in the thread that if you care to read through it all you can pick the budget laptop that fits your needs.

 

[monstercameron]

I guess you didn't read the thread (no surprise).



FX-6300/NVidia GtX760 is what the OP has. He knows what graphics performance is like.



The only thing I told OP is to not expect to play 2014 games like AC Unity, Dragon Age Inquisition, etc. on his laptop. That's an obvious thing from a BUDGET standpoint. This isnt' against AMD so please, stop your "everyone is targeting AMD" and realize a budget laptop isn't going to be playing new Triple A Titles.



Anyway, OP's M265 choice is probably better for gaming and cheaper but hey, you guys are the supposed "APU experts".



OP,realize that these are not unbiased opinions and that two posters here run a site called APUSilicon to promote APUs. Make whatever decision you want though, you have more than enough information in the thread that if you care to read through it all you can pick the budget laptop that fits your needs.

Nice attack, don't know why you are getting upset and only I run that blog. Secondly May be biased but I have some experience with a few of these apus and I will reiterate that you are understating the performance.

Have you tested any of the software you are claiming won't run or won't perform well or will your anecdotes be enough to answer all the ops questions? Pot calling the kettle black (may have also butchered this one)

 

[tential]

Nice attack, don't know why you are getting upset and only I run that blog. Secondly May be biased but I have some experience with a few of these apus and I will reiterate that you are understating the performance.

Have you tested any of the software you are claiming won't run or won't perform well or will your anecdotes be enough to answer all the ops questions? Pot calling the kettle black (may have also butchered this one)

Have you posted any data yet? Because I posted my sources.

You didn't.

And also, maybe English isn't your first language, but I never stated that two people run that blog. I stated two people here have written for it.

That's a true statement.

Also, are you stating that the FX-7500 is a better choice for gaming than the A10-7300/M265 combo?
Since you recommended the FX-7500 over the M265...

 

[frozentundra123456]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-...&skuId=8825037

Hp seems to be amd's only decent partner!?

Also what is acceptable performance when all most people know is Intel hd graphics?

Most people dont run AAA games on their laptops. Saying an APU is better than intel's igp is like bringing a bigger knife to a gunfight. The sad fact is that to be able to play all games, including "next gen" ones, at decent image quality and resolution requires something in the range of a full power mobile i7 and a GTX 860m. It is sad because that will set you back 1,000 dollars or more.

Anything less, especially an APU will have serious compromises. If one is willing to play older games, limit resolution, and perhaps not play certain games at all, an APU may be sufficient. But you will have to compromise a lot. Personally, it is not worth it to me. I will either game on my desktop, or wait until I can afford a laptop that can play most games at decent settings.

 

[tential]

Most people dont run AAA games on their laptops. Saying an APU is better than intel's igp is like bringing a bigger knife to a gunfight. The sad fact is that to be able to play all games, including "next gen" ones, at decent image quality and resolution requires something in the range of a full power mobile i7 and a GTX 860m. It is sad because that will set you back 1,000 dollars or more.

Anything less, especially an APU will have serious compromises. If one is willing to play older games, limit resolution, and perhaps not play certain games at all, an APU may be sufficient. But you will have to compromise a lot. Personally, it is not worth it to me. I will either game on my desktop, or wait until I can afford a laptop that can play most games at decent settings.

Exactly what I sated, but of course, anything that doesn't paint an AMD APU in the perfect light makes people upset. Considering the OP's current setup, it's obvious that you should make it clear what to expect from an APU.

 

[monstercameron]

Have you posted any data yet? Because I posted my sources.



You didn't.



And also, maybe English isn't your first language, but I never stated that two people run that blog. I stated two people here have written for it.



That's a true statement.



Also, are you stating that the FX-7500 is a better choice for gaming than the A10-7300/M265 combo?

Since you recommended the FX-7500 over the M265...

You posted sources for your argument and I haven't disputed that, I just don't agree with your assessment of the performance. Also I believe I can read well enough to justify my clarification on who runs apusilicon.

As for what I recommend, it all depends on the budget. Get whatever is in that range, and if the apu provides the necessary performance for a little extra gaming perf while being somewhat cheaper...seems like a no brainer

@frozen we've had this difference of opinion for a while, I think they provide just enough...

 

[tential]

You posted sources for your argument and I haven't disputed that, I just don't agree with your assessment of the performance. Also I believe I can read well enough to justify my clarification on who runs apusilicon.

As for what I recommend, it all depends on the budget. Get whatever is in that range, and if the apu provides the necessary performance for a little extra gaming perf while being somewhat cheaper...seems like a no brainer

@frozen we've had this difference of opinion for a while, I think they provide just enough...

My assessment of the performance is the APU can play older games from 2013 back ok, it can't play graphically intense titles, and you have to play at 768p (native res) on low graphics for the MAJORITY of titles.

Do you want to post any data disputing that? Because I posted data backing it up.

If you aren't going to post data, then please, stop responding. For a person who runs a site on APU's you'd think it'd be easy for you to post your own data.

And so you're disputing that You and Aeterna have written articles for your site?

 

[ph2000]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-envy-...&skuId=8825037

Hp seems to be amd's only decent partner!?

Also what is acceptable performance when all most people know is Intel hd graphics?

there's lenovo actually
http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/pro...40-75/documents/PD100022?tabName=ProductParts
but not sure if it already in store yet

 

[hanley]

To be fair, the writer in the notebookcheck.net article link did put a footnote stating that the single-thread performance went up "significantly" after the latest drivers were installed.