Katrina Victims Kicked Off Ships

[astrosfan90]

Sorry, but all this talk about how these people should just "go get jobs" has riled me up a lot.

Wanted to set the record straight. Many of these people have jobs. There are just no homes to go to.

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Hundreds of hurricane evacuees who've been living on two cruise ships in New Orleans began clearing out yesterday, while people on a third vessel in St. Bernard Parish fought to stay put.

The ships have served as home for victims of Hurricane Katrina ? mostly police and other emergency workers ? who lost their homes in the Aug. 29 storm. The evacuees were told they had to leave by March 1 because the ships must return to private service, the Federal Emergency Management Agency said.

On yesterday morning, there were 559 people left on the New Orleans ships, and FEMA reserved hotel rooms for those who need them, agency spokesman David Passey said. Early on, close to 2,000 people were living on the ships.

Residents of the Scotia Prince in St. Bernard Parish sued on Friday to force FEMA to keep the vessel docked there for another six months. The plaintiffs' lawyer, Michael Ginart Jr., said he hoped to convince FEMA that the Scotia Prince was providing the storm-ravaged parish "special services, not just occupancy."

The ship had held as many as 900 evacuees. There were conflicting reports on how many remained. A ship's officer told a federal judge that 52 were aboard yesterday. Passey said 12 were still on the ship Tuesday night.

A federal judge was expected to rule Thursday or Friday in the St. Bernard case.
Passey said all the police and emergency workers and their families will have a FEMA-sponsored place to live, but some may have to stay in New Orleans hotels for a while. The agency has been working with the Police Foundation of New Orleans to try to find apartments in the city for them, Passey said.

Foundation executive director Bob Stellingworth said the group has already placed more than 100 officers in apartments without FEMA's help.

 

[Viper GTS]

I see no reason to keep the ship there for <600 people who can be housed in hotel rooms.

Those capable of actually comprehending what they read will realize there is nothing newsworthy in this story.

Viper GTS

 

[iamtrout]

They need to take over the ships and convert them to pirate vessels.

 

[xanis]

Well if you read a little further on in the article, it says that FEMA found temporary shelters for almost all of the people that lived on the ships. I know it seems cruel, but the ships just can't hang around forever waiting for these people to move out.

 

[erikistired]

how long would you like to support the victims? it's a tragedy yes, but the people here were living in very expensive hotels and ordering room service on my tab. and your tab. and every other tax payers tab.

someone owns that ship and is losing money every day it's not on the water, are you telling me they don't have the right to put it back into service at some point? should that be 10 years from now?

edit: and if you choose to stay in that area knowing what it's like i have no pity for you. so don't go down that road either. if you know you can't live anywhere, you should have started over someplace else instead of hoping to live off the government teet for the rest of your life while you're "rebuilding" a place that should have been bulldozed.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: fisher
how long would you like to support the victims? it's a tragedy yes, but the people here were living in very expensive hotels and ordering room service on my tab. and your tab. and every other tax payers tab.

someone owns that ship and is losing money every day it's not on the water, are you telling me they don't have the right to put it back into service at some point? should that be 10 years from now?

edit: and if you choose to stay in that area knowing what it's like i have no pity for you. so don't go down that road either. if you know you can't live anywhere, you should have started over someplace else instead of hoping to live off the government teet for the rest of your life while you're "rebuilding" a place that should have been bulldozed.

Actually, the ship owner is not losing money. What they are losing is the ability to conduct mornal operations.

As for cutting them off, I would say tomorrow is a good day.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: fisher

someone owns that ship and is losing money every day it's not on the water, are you telling me they don't have the right to put it back into service at some point? should that be 10 years from now?

The cruise line was quite well paid for the use of the ship, the same people who are bitching about clearing out the ship also bitched when they brought it in (OMGZECOST!).

There is absolutely no way for the Feds to get good press from NOLA, everything they do is going to get ripped on.

Viper GTS

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: fisher
how long would you like to support the victims? it's a tragedy yes, but the people here were living in very expensive hotels and ordering room service on my tab. and your tab. and every other tax payers tab.

someone owns that ship and is losing money every day it's not on the water, are you telling me they don't have the right to put it back into service at some point? should that be 10 years from now?

edit: and if you choose to stay in that area knowing what it's like i have no pity for you. so don't go down that road either. if you know you can't live anywhere, you should have started over someplace else instead of hoping to live off the government teet for the rest of your life while you're "rebuilding" a place that should have been bulldozed.

Actually, the ship owner is not losing money. What they are losing is the ability to conduct mornal operations.

As for cutting them off, I would say tomorrow is a good day.

okay, they are losing something for not being able to use their ships. and i doubt they are getting from the government what they'd be getting from a ship full of passengers. just a guess tho.

 

[jfall]

lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: fisher
how long would you like to support the victims? it's a tragedy yes, but the people here were living in very expensive hotels and ordering room service on my tab. and your tab. and every other tax payers tab.

someone owns that ship and is losing money every day it's not on the water, are you telling me they don't have the right to put it back into service at some point? should that be 10 years from now?

edit: and if you choose to stay in that area knowing what it's like i have no pity for you. so don't go down that road either. if you know you can't live anywhere, you should have started over someplace else instead of hoping to live off the government teet for the rest of your life while you're "rebuilding" a place that should have been bulldozed.

Without some facts, we don't know if the ship as been losing money, I'm sure FEMA or someone has been paying the ship owner something. I bet it's more likely that they made plans based on their being needed in NO being overwith, and started taking reservations and making other commitments which is why they need to go.

If there are other places, hotels and such, it would seems not to be a big deal, but sometimes we don't get the full story, there might be some other reality some of these people are facing that we don't know about.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Don't blame all of us, I'm part of the 49.8% that wanted a change in 2004, and isn't ascared of gay people.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: fisher

okay, they are losing something for not being able to use their ships. and i doubt they are getting from the government what they'd be getting from a ship full of passengers. just a guess tho.

They were paid something like $250 mill, the outrage came because it was perceived to be far more than the company would have had in revenue for that time period.

I personally have no issue, the cruise line (Carnival I think) cleared it's passenger books for 6 months on essentially no notice, and delivered much needed support. I'm sure their customer saving concessions cost them quite a bit too.

Yes, they profited. As they have every right to. But now it's time for them to leave.

Viper GTS

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Ahahaha...STFU.

Travel trailers are being installed around Louisiana for relief workers, policemen, firefighters, and people who have lost their homes.

How do I know? My Dad's company is contracting with FEMA to set them up. He's got guys all over the state of Louisiana doing this. He knows more about Louisiana geography and politics now than he ever wanted to know.

 

[astrosfan90]

Look, I'm not against putting them up elsewhere. What bugs me is the pervasive attitude some people seem to be taking that these people are being helped only because they're lazy and mooching off the system. This is absolutely not the case. As the article highlights, many of the selfsame people being moved at the moment are the very police officers and disaster relief workers responsible for helping rebuild New Orleans.

How long should we support those folks? Until we make the decision to just bulldoze New Orleans. Those are the folks who are laying the groundwork to rebuild the city. If you're not willing to help them out in their time of need, we're better off just filling in the city and relegating it to the history books.

 

[jfall]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Ahahaha...STFU.

Travel trailers are being installed around Louisiana for relief workers, policemen, firefighters, and people who have lost their homes.

How do I know? My Dad's company is contracting with FEMA to set them up. He's got guys all over the state of Louisiana doing this. He knows more about Louisiana geography and politics now than he ever wanted to know.

That has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Yossarian]

so why don't they rent apartments like normal people who don't own houses?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: jfall

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Ahahaha...STFU.

Travel trailers are being installed around Louisiana for relief workers, policemen, firefighters, and people who have lost their homes.

How do I know? My Dad's company is contracting with FEMA to set them up. He's got guys all over the state of Louisiana doing this. He knows more about Louisiana geography and politics now than he ever wanted to know.

That has nothing to do with what I said

Actually it does.

 

[jfall]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jfall

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Ahahaha...STFU.

Travel trailers are being installed around Louisiana for relief workers, policemen, firefighters, and people who have lost their homes.

How do I know? My Dad's company is contracting with FEMA to set them up. He's got guys all over the state of Louisiana doing this. He knows more about Louisiana geography and politics now than he ever wanted to know.

That has nothing to do with what I said

Actually it does.

I don't disagree that the government is helping with the relief effort. I'm saying that it's funny *some* people think that it's a waste of their tax dollars to support their own citizens in a time of crisis yet don't blink at the trillions being spent on an unjust war

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

funny?

 

[jfall]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

funny?

yeah, it makes me laugh sometimes

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Don't blame all of us, I'm part of the 49.8% that wanted a change in 2004, and isn't ascared of gay people.

amen to that.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: jfall

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jfall

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

Ahahaha...STFU.

Travel trailers are being installed around Louisiana for relief workers, policemen, firefighters, and people who have lost their homes.

How do I know? My Dad's company is contracting with FEMA to set them up. He's got guys all over the state of Louisiana doing this. He knows more about Louisiana geography and politics now than he ever wanted to know.

That has nothing to do with what I said

Actually it does.

I don't disagree that the government is helping with the relief effort. I'm saying that it's funny *some* people think that it's a waste of their tax dollars to support their own citizens in a time of crisis yet don't blink at the trillions being spent on an unjust war

I think you'd find plenty of people complaining about the money being spent on the Iraq war. Hell, just click on P&N.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: jfall

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

funny?

yeah, it makes me laugh sometimes

I'm just wondering where you got the idea that we like spending the trillions on war? I don't mind helping them, but I don't want to pay for them to live on a fvcken cruise ship.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Look, I'm not against putting them up elsewhere. What bugs me is the pervasive attitude some people seem to be taking that these people are being helped only because they're lazy and mooching off the system. This is absolutely not the case. As the article highlights, many of the selfsame people being moved at the moment are the very police officers and disaster relief workers responsible for helping rebuild New Orleans.

How long should we support those folks? Until we make the decision to just bulldoze New Orleans. Those are the folks who are laying the groundwork to rebuild the city. If you're not willing to help them out in their time of need, we're better off just filling in the city and relegating it to the history books.

I agree with you and I would add that all the money we use to help the people and rebuild New Orleans is a great investment, besides being the right thing to do.

As far as government's problems dealing with this, the government is just people, they have a hard time dealing with such a huge problem too, but I think we've had leadership in the past that could probably do a better job leading us.

Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan, even Nixon, got a lot accomplished, mostly with words and ideas, that's what we need now, and we mostly aren't getting it.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: jfall

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: jfall
lol you Americans are funny. You are worried about wasting money to support YOUR OWN CITIZENS in time of crisis but spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war is fine.

funny?

yeah, it makes me laugh sometimes

I'm just wondering where you got the idea that we like spending the trillions on war? I don't mind helping them, but I don't want to pay for them to live on a fvcken cruise ship.

The advantage to the cruise ship was, there wasn't anywhere else to live, and a ship is an easy way to provide housing in a port city like New Orleans.

It isn't because of the luxury.