Kate Steinle’s accused killer found not guilty

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"Jurors have found Jose Ines Garcia Zarate not guilty of killing Kate Steinle on Pier 14 in San Francisco in July 2015 in the trial that sparked a national debate over illegal immigration.

Jurors reached the decision Thursday in the sixth day of deliberations after first receiving the case last week.

Zarate was found not guilty of first and second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. He was also found not guilty of assault with a semi-automatic weapon. He was found guilty of possessing a firearm by a felon."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/30/kate-steinle-s-accused-killer-found-not-guilty-murder.html

This right here just goes to show you just how damn fucked up California and San Fransisco truly. is. This is an outrage and this despicable piece of shit will be judged by the only true judge, God.
 
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Ichinisan

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I didn't follow the case to know how they reached that conclusion. Maybe OP dunnit.
 

brycejones

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"Jurors have found Jose Ines Garcia Zarate not guilty of killing Kate Steinle on Pier 14 in San Francisco in July 2015 in the trial that sparked a national debate over illegal immigration.

Jurors reached the decision Thursday in the sixth day of deliberations after first receiving the case last week.

Zarate was found not guilty of first and second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. He was also found not guilty of assault with a semi-automatic weapon. He was found guilty of possessing a firearm by a felon."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/30/kate-steinle-s-accused-killer-found-not-guilty-murder.html

This right here just goes to show you just how damn fucked up California and San Fransisco truly. is. This is an outrage and this despicable piece of shit will be judged by the only true judge, God.

Jury got it right, you can't murder someone with a bullet ricochet. Horrible event, but from the evidence intent just wasn't there. The jury got it right.

If this was a white guy you would be calling it a horrible accident and he shouldn't have his life destroyed by it.
 

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This right here just goes to show you just how damn fucked up California and San Fransisco truly. is. This is an outrage and this despicable piece of shit will be judged by the only true judge, God.

I don't generally think that juries get things right all the time, but I also know that they are the ones who heard the actual evidence in court. I would think there needs to be extraordinary circumstances for me to think the jury got the verdict wrong. And we especially need to understand the burden of proof needed for criminal conviction. Thinking someone is probably guilty is not enough.
 

shortylickens

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I kinda care about illegal immigration, but lets be honest here.
Whether you look at absolute numbers or percentage of the population, illegals arent killing nearly as many Americans as Americans kill Americans.
 

sandorski

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Intentionally shoot/kill someone due to perceived threat + allowed to Walk = God damned hero!
Accidentally shoot and ricochet kills a bystander + allowed to Walk = RAGE!!!

Murica

Face it, his Immigrant status was/is all that matters here.
 

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I don't generally think that juries get things right all the time, but I also know that they are the ones who heard the actual evidence in court. I would think there needs to be extraordinary circumstances for me to think the jury got the verdict wrong. And we especially need to understand the burden of proof needed for criminal conviction. Thinking someone is probably guilty is not enough.

Agreed. We weren't there & never saw the evidence or heard the testimony. I'll defer to the jury that did.
 
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According to the jury it was a good shoot. I also learned today that you can't murder someone with a ricochet. I guess all those Las Vegas victims that were killed by ricochets weren't actually murdered, they must have committed some kind of suicide like Kate Steinle did by walking into the path of a ricochet.
 
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Jury got it right, you can't murder someone with a bullet ricochet. Horrible event, but from the evidence intent just wasn't there. The jury got it right.

If this was a white guy you would be calling it a horrible accident and he shouldn't have his life destroyed by it.

You should still be charged with some sort of man slaughter charge though eh?
 

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According to the jury it was a good shoot. I also learned today that you can't murder someone with a ricochet. I guess all those Las Vegas victims that were killed by ricochets weren't actually murdered, they must have committed some kind of suicide like Kate Steinle did by walking into the path of a ricochet.

Tajbot noiq mode enabled!
 

WackyDan

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I kinda care about illegal immigration, but lets be honest here.
Whether you look at absolute numbers or percentage of the population, illegals arent killing nearly as many Americans as Americans kill Americans.

Yet if illegals weren't here they wouldn't be killing any Americans now would they?
 

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I don't generally think that juries get things right all the time, but I also know that they are the ones who heard the actual evidence in court.

Last I heard the guy's own defense was that he picked it up it fired on accident.
So there's no contest to him using the gun to kill that woman.
But apparently that's not a crime.
 

Zaap

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So:
http://immigration.findlaw.com/depo...e-u-s-after-removal-crime-and-punishment.html

After an alien has been legally "removed" from the United States, federal criminal law makes it a felony for that alien to reenter (or be found in) the country without approval of the government.



Plus:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), he/she is guilty of murder.


Equals:
No crime at all as long as you're not a legal citizen and in a sanctuary city. Got it.

In other crimes, details actually DO matter. Being in active commission of a felony and you end up shooting someone dead... if you're a citizen, that's probably going to land you some jail time.

But in sancutary cities... those pesky little details don't matter. Its all about the feels.
 
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Intentionally shoot/kill someone due to perceived threat + allowed to Walk = God damned hero!
Accidentally shoot and ricochet kills a bystander + allowed to Walk = RAGE!!!

Murica

Face it, his Immigrant status was/is all that matters here.


I think you're making it sound too simple. Had the bastard not been here in the first place it wouldn't have happened. How the fuck do you "accidentally" pull the trigger? Never mind the fact the cock sucker was deported 6 damn times and was a multiple felon. Why would you have a gun in the first damn place? This right here underscores the fact this verdict is bullshit to the highest order. I personally think this San Fran nut job jurists wanted to stick it to Trump, and in the process a murderer gets off Scott free, the family gets no justice and your "murcia" is up in arms.
 
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Zaap

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Jury got it right, you can't murder someone with a bullet ricochet.
So right now, go rob the 7/11 down the street. Point the gun at the wall and floor and fire it. Hit one or two people with richochets and kill them.

Scott free!

Hell.. make it even easier. You don't even TOUCH the gun. Have your buddy rob the 7/11 and you just stand dumbly by and watch as an accomplice. Have him fire the gun at the floor and richochets kill someone.

You'll get off Scott free. I promise.