Kaspersky has been making malware

mmntech

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I'd be more surprised if a Russian computer company wasn't doing shady things.
 

Crono

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The article makes the whole industry sound shady. Which isn't surprising, either, given that there has to be quite a number of grey hats or even black hats working for these security firms.

Virus and antimalware is near useless now, anyway. More likely to cause false positives, false sense of security, and interfere with legitimate/non malware programs and cause other issues than detect and remove all viruses and malware from a system.
 

KeithP

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Actually, it appears the article is factually inaccurate if you read the original Reuters piece it was based on. Kaspersky is not being accused of creating malware.

Kaspersky is being accused (without any evidence I might ad) of messing with virus information shared through VirusTotal, and similar services, to trip up companies using the service to copy Kaspersky's (or others) virus definitions for their own products. The altered definitions have the effect of causing the offending companies products to have more false positives.

But of course the most important information from the article is...
Reuters reports that a pair of former employees...

But I am sure they couldn't possibly be making this up to get back at an employer they are pissed at...nah, nobody does that. :rolleyes:

-KeithP
 
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The whole AV industry is crap. This is what early AV vendors did.
Even they're renewals is a joke years ago I bought a 3 year 3 PC package when the time was up I started to get emails like:
New package better performance 3/3yrs $149
Then one month before it expires:
SALE! $99 3/3 yrs
Then right before it expired:
Customer loyalty bonus! 3/3 yrs $59
Right after it expired:
2/2 yrs $30
Few weeks later:
We miss you 1 PC 2 years $15

Bottom line is its software its all the same there is no reason for such extreme price changes.
 

maddogchen

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I just heard a story on Kaspersky last week how the founder started off at some KGB encryption school but left and founded the company when the Soviet Union fell. It was interesting. It talked about how there is no evidence that they do work for the government but they could be delaying publishing Russian malware they detected until given a go ahead but there is no proof of that, just suspicion
 

Ichinisan

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The article makes the whole industry sound shady. Which isn't surprising, either, given that there has to be quite a number of grey hats or even black hats working for these security firms.

Virus and antimalware is near useless now, anyway. More likely to cause false positives, false sense of security, and interfere with legitimate/non malware programs and cause other issues than detect and remove all viruses and malware from a system.

By only running trusted software and knowing what to opt-out of, I've never had a malware problem and I've run without security software on my primary systems my whole life.

The couple instances of idiots using my computer were always throughly analyzed by myself and eliminated, then thoroughly resolved by booting to the OS install disc and wiping all partitions before OS reinstall.

Well there was actually one time back when I had Windows 95 that someone in my family downloaded through dialup had a virus. I was able to remove it myself and did my OS reinstall anyway.

While servicing computers and removing malware for others, I've seen just about everything. I have my own best-practice procedures for cleaning as much as possible before ever attempting to run an automated scanning/removal tool (greatly reduced chance of something being botched or only partially-removed).

For many years, I repeatedly encountered some bizarre malware on various systems with Limewire installed. For some reason, it tripped-up every antivirus program thrown at it, or it would leave these files behind (probably because they weren't using he right procedures to delete them). It would add files with ".com" aliases for several existing ".exe" commands. Trying to run any command without explicitly typing ".exe" on the end (cmd, ipconfig, taskkill, tasklist, taskman, etc) would launch the .com version instead. Trying to launch "CMD," you'd only see a console window flash on the screen for a split second and disappear. I'd have to go through the system32 directory in the command line and do an attrib *.com to see the files with the +s and +h attributes, then attrib [filename] -s -h command (both attributes must be removed at the same time) for each of those files, then the files can be deleted.

I guess now we have to be concerned about malware getting embedded in EFI firmware, but knowing what to trust goes a long way when it comes to security.
 
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Zeze

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I used to load up on Avast + Adaware + Malwarebytes.

Now I just run my PC bare. I realized because I'm a boring ass fart today and my web surfing habits are just visiting a select number again and again:

1. reddit
2. gmail
3. fb
4. anandtech
5. google news
6. same trusted porn sites.

That's it...boring as hell. Virus/malware don't even have an avenue to get to me.
 

SSSnail

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Protips: in order to have a market, you have to create a market. News @ 11. Kaspersky isn't the only one.

Have you ever wondered how when there's a brand new exploit that affected a lot of networks and someone is losing big money, there's always this new company that's specialized in the remediation of that particular threat?
 
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bigi

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LOL, is this really news?

It's been known for years actually.

Pharma does not want healthy people, they need to get richer.
AV 'firms' don't want healthy OSes running perfectly.

Of course they help people to get their products.
 

mmntech

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I run all three major desktop operating systems and haven't had issues despite only running Windows Defender and built in firewalls. The last major issue I had was when my website got brute force hacked. Which in hindsight was a good thing because it forced me to significantly beef up security on my WordPress server.

Traditional viruses just aren't the threat they once were. Not to say they aren't still an issue. However, most attacks now exploit security holes in legitimate software. Which can be very hard to defend against. The big players today prefer to hit big data. Why steal pocket change when you can rob an entire bank. Literally. A lot of these guys are stste sponsored too. Gives them near unlimited resources to commit cyber terrorism against rival countries. The USA, Russia, and China being the worst offenders.
 

Red Squirrel

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Does not surprise me. The whole industry is shady as hell. I always found it odd as well that AV programs never detect *ALL* malware, only malware that is specifically categorized as virus. Why even make such a distinction, all malware should be detected whether it's a virus, worm, spyware or w/e. But these companies get big pay outs from spyware/virus writers to not get detected, and they take the money.

The biggest threat now days is not email viruses, but web based drive bys which usually install spyware and not viruses, so AV programs wont even stop it. Thanks to javascript, flash, PDF plugins, and other plugins browsers are ridiculously exploitable now days and you can get your whole system infected by simply going to a URL, yet most AVs will let that through because it does not fall under "virus".
 

BUTCH1

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I used to load up on Avast + Adaware + Malwarebytes.

Now I just run my PC bare. I realized because I'm a boring ass fart today and my web surfing habits are just visiting a select number again and again:

1. reddit
2. gmail
3. fb
4. anandtech
5. google news
6. same trusted porn sites.

That's it...boring as hell. Virus/malware don't even have an avenue to get to me.

You'd be surprised, I was looking for a product manual and got infected. I run Avast free edition but it has turned into "nagware deluxe" and I haven't updated to a newer version in quite awhile, I just let the current version update the definitions. I wish they'd offer a free edition without the nagware for $5.99, I'd jump right on it. Can a free porn site really ever be in the "trusted" variety?, one can always fall back to Noscript but it's kind of a pain as you have to enable some stuff to run or else you won't be doing much.
 

SSSnail

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Might be a good idea as they are not interested in 7% market share yet.

They write malware/viruses for Windows due to its ~80% penetration.

Sshhhhhh... also don't tell the Mac users that they too, can be infected and pwned just like everyone else.
 

zCypher

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I used to load up on Avast + Adaware + Malwarebytes.

Now I just run my PC bare. I realized because I'm a boring ass fart today and my web surfing habits are just visiting a select number again and again:

1. reddit
2. gmail
3. fb
4. anandtech
5. google news
6. same trusted porn sites.

That's it...boring as hell. Virus/malware don't even have an avenue to get to me.
Good browsing habits and avoiding shady places certainly goes a long way, but any legitimate website can still become compromised.
 

rh71

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avast free and never get bugged about it except for once-yearly free registration - nothing to lose for me.
 

mmntech

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Good browsing habits and avoiding shady places certainly goes a long way, but any legitimate website can still become compromised.

Indeed. They don't even have to hack the site now. You just need to find one of Flash's many, many 0-day exploits. Hijacking ad networks seems to be the thing to do now.