Kashmir's independence

[gsethi]

My parents (& grand parents) are from Jammu (winter state capital). My grand-parents have spent their entire life in that area. My dad lived and worked in Kashmir area for over 35 years. My uncle still lives in the area.

After India's and Pakistani independence from Britain in 1947, Kashmir was an independent state under monarchy rule (Maharaja or King rule). Pakistan attempted to takeover control of Kashmir. The Maharaja (King) requested Indian help and ceded control of Kashmir to India to save the state of Kashmir and the people. Ever since, Kashmir is a part of India.

The current conflict is just a political drama between the two countries. The politicians make an issue out of it to gain votes and maintain their power. Ask the average person, and he/she just wants to go around minding his own business. Neither country will back down and politicians want to take full advantage of the issue in order to secure their political future. It has just become a prestige issue for each country now.

Indians consider Kashmir as a part of India (and it actually is). Pakistan wants Kashmir as they want to take revenge from India for the 1971 war where they lost Bangladesh (was known as East Pakistan at the time).

 

[Zebo]

I know Pakistan is going through a rough patch economically,

All Islamic nations have a rough patch economically besides accident(s) of geology like Saudi Arabia. Only enabling half your people, living by 1500 yr old desert mystic values, explanation of the universe and total regulation of life have that effect. Evolve bitches.

That's why you're here or your parents came here aint it?

 

[Whitecloak]

next time you bent over and present you hand washed ass to allah, ask him to give you some common sense

:d:d:d:d:d

 

[busydude]

From the wikipedia link posted above, it looks like Kashmir is an Al Queda stronghold...which may explain why Pakistan wants control so much. They seem to be in Al Queda's pocket...

That's not controlled by India. Its Pakistan Occupied Kashmir(POK).

The main reason for huge army presence in that region is because of the infiltration from POK towards India. If it is not for the Indian Army, we would have more attacks in India than in Pakistan. India cannot afford to loosen the hold of Kashmir and give way to more terrorist attacks. Kashmir has never made economical sense and never will be, its is of at-most strategic importance to the safety and security for the rest of the country.

My parents (& grand parents) are from Jammu (winter state capital). My grand-parents have spent their entire life in that area. My dad lived and worked in Kashmir area for over 35 years. My uncle still lives in the area. After India's and Pakistani independence from Britain in 1947, Kashmir was an independent state under monarchy rule (Maharaja or King rule). Pakistan attempted to takeover control of Kashmir. The Maharaja (King) requested Indian help and ceded control of Kashmir to India to save the state of Kashmir and the people. Ever since, Kashmir is a part of India. The current conflict is just a political drama between the two countries. The politicians make an issue out of it to gain votes and maintain their power. Ask the average person, and he/she just wants to go around minding his own business. Neither country will back down and politicians want to take full advantage of the issue in order to secure their political future. It has just become a prestige issue for each country now. Indians consider Kashmir as a part of India (and it actually is). Pakistan wants Kashmir as they want to take revenge from India for the 1975 war where they lost Bangladesh (was known as East Pakistan at the time).

Finally, a sensible post.

 

[Taejin]

That just shows how ignorant you are. And if it was supposed to funny it was not. Maybe you should stop posting in PnN.

Don't worry buddy, while Pakistan is exporting terrorism, killing each other and generally staying a religious fanatic shithole, India is rising to glory. But you didn't hear it from me, k? lulz.

 

[DukeN]

kashmir was part of Indian heritage for more than 2000 years, just because there were muslims for 300 years, should it become part of pakistan.

So was Pakistan? It got it's freedom and look at how magnificent it turned out.

 

[DukeN]

Why last few decade? coz its convenient? It was not state sanctioned, it was one rogue politician misusing his powers for which he faced several tribunals and till this day he is constantly harassed and next time you bent over and present you hand washed ass to allah, ask him to give you some common sense

Another assumption, another retort from an ignoramus. (I'm not Muslim, or religious by the way).

Last few decades yeah because it's convenient. How is it not state sanctioned when the State's CHIEF MINISTER orders mass killing!

Did you get confused worshiping your fifty different deities?

Maybe I'm expecting too much from a Hindu - after all they are the original racists. Let's create a couple of classes of people, and everyone will conveniently fall into place.

 

[RabidMongoose]

How can a caste system be racist if that caste system applied to people of the same religion and of the same race?

 

[DukeN]

How can a caste system be racist if that caste system applied to people of the same religion and of the same race?

You say tomaaahto, I say tomayto. Different technical terms for discrimination doesn't change the fact that it is discrimination.

And Muslims don't have exclusive copyrights on thousand year old mystic principles.

Some nutjob here in Toronto just got arrested for lunacy (not the official charge):
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...mpton-man-faces-witchcraft-fraud-charges?bn=1

 

[busydude]

Maybe I'm expecting too much from a Hindu - after all they are the original racists.

It does not make sense. What do expect something from a Hindu in the first place?
You say you are not religious, you do not share the same perspective with a person who is religious.

 

[RabidMongoose]

It does not make sense. Why do expect something from a Hindu in the first place?
You say you are not religious, you do not share the same perspective with a person who is religious.

That is bizarre. You can't expect something from someone of another religion? Or any religion if you're not religious? You can't expect people to just be decent human beings?

 

[busydude]

That is bizarre. You can't expect something from someone of another religion? Or any religion if you're not religious? You can't expect people to just be decent human beings?

Edited my statement.

If he thinks Hindus are all racist in the first place, is he considered a decent human being?

 

[nick1985]

So was Pakistan? It got it's freedom and look at how magnificent it turned out.

Its a pile of shit

 

[DukeN]

Its a pile of shit

LOL my point exactly. Looks like I missed the [\sarcasm] piece.

 

[DukeN]

Edited my statement.

If he thinks Hindus are all racist in the first place, is he considered a decent human being?

Not all Hindus, I should've said "Rabid Hindu" instead. Like all religions, they have their fair share of nutjobs. Except Hindus have a special relationship with discrimination as it stems from their 'teachings'.

 

[busydude]

Not all Hindus, I should've said "Rabid Hindu" instead. Like all religions, they have their fair share of nutjobs. Except Hindus have a special relationship with discrimination as it stems from their 'teachings'.

I agree. But hey, look on the brighter side, things are improving for the good. I personally have not discriminated anyone and have not been discriminated upon for 21 years of my life in India. People are really tolerant and those who preach religious fanaticism have no life/future in India. All they can do is bask in the attention they get for a few days or months.

General people are more educated, forward thinking and very tolerant of neighbors(regardless of religion). I am not trying to be preachy, but rather give a first hand perspective of the situation, these news that spring up every day like mushrooms do nothing more that to generate FUD.

Education is undergoing a major reform. That in itself is one of the major driving forces for development and I am really optimistic about the future of my country.

 

[Moonbeam]

The contesting parties should hold a vote to draw straws. The short straw wins and all the others have to commit suicide. That will unify the country and it can then self govern.

 

[DesiPower]

Another assumption, another retort from an ignoramus. (I'm not Muslim, or religious by the way).

Well, the argument is over I guess, you dont even have the balls to stand up to your beliefs and take the easy way out by saying... look at me... I not related to any religion... I am so kool...
Read through all your posts and you will discover your one belief and religion.

How is it not state sanctioned when the State's CHIEF MINISTER orders mass killing!

If you are educated enough to know that he was the chief minister then you should also know that he did not "order" anything, again don't just read and post whatever is convenient.

Did you get confused worshiping your fifty different deities?

Thats what makes us stronger, even after 700 years of oppression and being ruled foreigners, we were able to maintain our culture and language and our identity, but a small spineless creature like you will never understand that.

Maybe I'm expecting too much from a Hindu - after all they are the original racists. Let's create a couple of classes of people, and everyone will conveniently fall into place.

ORRRRR... we can start using every bit of our energy and intelligence in converting or killing anyone who is not like us!!

 

[DesiPower]

Not all Hindus, I should've said "Rabid Hindu" instead. Like all religions, they have their fair share of nutjobs. Except Hindus have a special relationship with discrimination as it stems from their 'teachings'.

Better than any religion which has its own "law" which allows them to kill anyone who does not follow it.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

god damn, religion sucks. two countries with the same people, similar culture, similar language, similar everything separated only by 2 absurd religions.

 

[nick1985]

god damn, religion sucks. two countries with the same people, similar culture, similar language, similar everything separated only by 2 absurd religions.

xenophobic bigot

 

[busydude]

god damn, religion sucks. two countries with the same people, similar culture, similar language, similar everything separated only by 2 absurd religions.

We share similar religions too. It was Jinnah, also known as father of Pakistan, whose greed for power successfully(Well partially successful) managed to create xenophobia among Muslim populace in the sub-continent.

 

[routan]

We share similar religions too. It was Jinnah, also known as father of Pakistan, whose greed for power successfully(Well partially successful) managed to create xenophobia among Muslim populace in the sub-continent.

uh, Hinduism and Islam are not similar, they are different from a fundamental POV. One is idol worship polytheistic religions. The other is a monotheistic no idols allowed.

So you're saying Jinnah was responsible for partition? Was not Allama Iqbal the first person to propose the two nation concept?

 

[busydude]

uh, Hinduism and Islam are not similar, they are different from a fundamental POV. One is idol worship polytheistic religions. The other is a monotheistic no idols allowed.

You must be out of your mind. India != Hinduism.

FYI, Population of Muslims in India: 160 Mil
Pop. of Muslims in Pakistan: 175 Mil

You are ignorant if you believe Hinduism is Polytheistic.

You need to get your definitions right man.

You cannot relate Idol worship to *theisms.

There are lot of Hindus who worship the Sun exclusively, do you think that's Idol worship?

So you're saying Jinnah was responsible for partition? Was not Allama Iqbal the first person to propose the two nation concept?

Read post #97 and comment.

Post number: 666

 

[routan]

You must be out of your mind. India != Hinduism.

FYI, Population of Muslims in India: 160 Mil
Pop. of Muslims in Pakistan: 175 Mil

You are ignorant if you believe Hinduism is Polytheistic.

You need to get your definitions right man.

You cannot relate Idol worship to *theisms.

There are lot of Hindus who worship the Sun exclusively, do you think that's Idol worship?

Post number: 666

Hindustan = Land of Hindus.

State of Muslims in India = Worse than the untouchables. Well documented. At least Muslims in Pakistan are bad off (if they are) because of it being a "dictator"/"terrorist"/"throw in another moniker here". Shouldnt be any excuse for "secular" India.

I wont go into religious debates. Hindus can worship who they please. More power to them. I dont know why you would be defensive about me saying Hindus worship idols? They can worship the Sun too.